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Post by kevin on Oct 22, 2014 7:43:47 GMT -5
Really good show that was after football which is unstoppable the highest rated show on cable. No one in these threads understands how important relative ratings are. They go up against the NFL every week and have for the past twenty years. That still doesn't change the fact that ratings have been on a slow decline for years now, and regardless of that, the company itself is f***ing terrible right now. The company is not terrible quality wise itis really good. But that does not matter what matters is ratings and is it the best rated show on Monday and the answer is Yes. Is it a highly rated show!!!!! Its like no one understands this.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Oct 22, 2014 8:46:25 GMT -5
They go up against the NFL every week and have for the past twenty years. That still doesn't change the fact that ratings have been on a slow decline for years now, and regardless of that, the company itself is f***ing terrible right now. The company is not terrible quality wise itis really good. But that does not matter what matters is ratings and is it the best rated show on Monday and the answer is Yes. Is it a highly rated show!!!!! Its like no one understands this. Doesn't matter if it's still highly rated. If ratings continue to go down it won't be and that will cost USA millions in advertising revenue. WCW was still TNT's highest rated show too when it was cancelled.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2014 9:23:44 GMT -5
The company is not terrible quality wise itis really good. But that does not matter what matters is ratings and is it the best rated show on Monday and the answer is Yes. Is it a highly rated show!!!!! Its like no one understands this. Doesn't matter if it's still highly rated. If ratings continue to go down it won't be and that will cost USA millions in advertising revenue. WCW was still TNT's highest rated show too when it was cancelled. Right, and wrestling is held to a higher standard for ratings because it's an undesirable genre in terms of advertising. If USA gets new people in charge, Raw could be out on its ass. They are one of if not the top rated cable network though, so there's not a great chance of that happening anytime soon. Plus, WWE could find another network, but it might not be as good a network as USA.
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riseofsetian1981
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Oct 22, 2014 10:00:44 GMT -5
I think it's a combination a lot of things. First, I believe the product is so inconsistent that fans aren't emotionally invested anymore, second, there are more forums of better entertainment, and the third is that when push comes to shove the product is out of touch with what the masses truly want.
This is what happens when a product that is fearful of building new stars looks like. What's sad is they have the talent. Right now, at their leisure, they have guys like Kofi, Ziggler, Cesaro, Miz, Big E, Rusev, Rollins, Ambrose, Sheamus, Bo Dallas, Sandow, and Swagger that they could be building the divisions, storylines, and the ocmpany around when they stop riding the Cena train.
You look back at previous wrestling years and you noticed how titles like the IC title, US title, Tag Titles, etc were held in high regard and had feuds centered around them, great title matches, and storylines that actually built up the product along with the wrestlers as a whole. Maybe if they created coherent storylines and weren't inconsistent, viewers would remain, buyrates would improve, and word of mouth regarding their greatness would generate new interest.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Oct 22, 2014 10:04:45 GMT -5
"Get the title back on Cena dammit!" -[name redacted] Get the belt back on the show PERIOD. Even if Cena has it, at least knowing the champ is on TV gives people a reason to care. Brock's not back for a long time, and it's going to show in the ratings. I disagree with this. They can center a show around several others and have the title be a big deal still. Lesnar is an attraction, an unstoppable beast, and they can easily create a product where they can use the talent they have to feud with Brock. They should just say "screw it, let's ride this out and experiment with what we have, let's create a product that's exciting and unique."
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Post by angryfan on Oct 22, 2014 10:09:07 GMT -5
They go up against the NFL every week and have for the past twenty years. That still doesn't change the fact that ratings have been on a slow decline for years now, and regardless of that, the company itself is f***ing terrible right now. The company is not terrible quality wise itis really good. But that does not matter what matters is ratings and is it the best rated show on Monday and the answer is Yes. Is it a highly rated show!!!!! Its like no one understands this. Historically, how has being the network's "highest rated show" worked for other wrestling shows? ECW was TNN's highest rated show, by a good margin, and it got cancelled. Spike it appears is gong to cancel Impact, and that is their highest rated show. RAW was Spike's highest rated show and they let them go back to USA, WCW was the ratings draw for TNT and it got canned too. They are the highest rated weekly episodic blah blah blah, and that's great, but they're not making the PPV money they were ten years ago, even before the network. The network isn't doing the numbers Vince swore that it would. One guy is selling merch, and so the solution is keep making merch for that one guy. Attendance is decent but not fantastic outside of the "smark cities" that "don't matter", and the only way to pop a buyrate is to use a legend from the past. Yes, they're in trouble.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2014 10:37:53 GMT -5
The "variety show" format is killing them, IMO. Nothing has any consequences in the WWE. If Dolph Ziggler loses four matches in a row, he'll come out on Raw smiling and dancing as if nothing happened because it's a variety show and people are there (in the WWE's minds) to see the character, not a story involving the character. Brie Bella should be miserable since she is in a feud with her sister, but when she comes out to make an entrance, she is smiling, shaking hands, and pointing to imaginary people in the crowd because she is a babyface and this is a variety show. Don't even get me started with Cena. He'd come out to the ring smiling and dancing if Lesnar slapped his girlfriend in the face the previous night. Consequences don't mean a damn thing to his character. And so on.
If the WWE tells the fans that it's fake and that nothing matters, then what's the point of watching? At least in the era of kayfabe, they acted like everything in the ring mattered. Nowadays they practically tell you that what you are watching is scripted and fake, and then expect the audience to become emotionally invested in it. Makes no sense at all. If the WWE was not an established global brand, then they'd be losing viewers quicker than TNA.
Another issue is their lack of protected characters. I was watching the 2005 Royal Rumble recently, the first time I've actually seen it, and at one point in the match, the only guys in the ring were Chris Benoit, Eddie Guerrero, Edge, Rey Mysterio, Shelton Benjamin, Chris Jericho, and Booker T. None of those guys were used in main event angles at the time, yet each one was over, identifiable, and protected enough to be believable main event talent if required. Guys like HHH, Orton, Undertaker, Michaels, Angle, Batista, and Cena were the top guys (might be missing one or two). If they had a Rumble today, and did not have Cena, Orton, Reigns, Ambrose, Bryan, or Rollins in the ring, what would it look like? Likely a bunch of mid-carders who have not been protected at all.
That's really the crux of the issue here. The main event scene is terrible, the mid-carders are treated like interchangeable parts, and they tell you it's a variety show, so the audience really has no reason to watch. If they were pulling this shit in 1997, Bischoff would be rewriting history right now, not Vince.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Oct 22, 2014 10:55:13 GMT -5
The "variety show" format is killing them, IMO. Nothing has any consequences in the WWE. If Dolph Ziggler loses four matches in a row, he'll come out on Raw smiling and dancing as if nothing happened because it's a variety show and people are there (in the WWE's minds) to see the character, not a story involving the character. Brie Bella should be miserable since she is in a feud with her sister, but when she comes out to make an entrance, she is smiling, shaking hands, and pointing to imaginary people in the crowd because she is a babyface and this is a variety show. Don't even get me started with Cena. He'd come out to the ring smiling and dancing if Lesnar slapped his girlfriend in the face the previous night. Consequences don't mean a damn thing to his character. And so on. If the WWE tells the fans that it's fake and that nothing matters, then what's the point of watching? At least in the era of kayfabe, they acted like everything in the ring mattered. Nowadays they practically tell you that what you are watching is scripted and fake, and then expect the audience to become emotionally invested in it. Makes no sense at all. If the WWE was not an established global brand, then they'd be losing viewers quicker than TNA. Another issue is their lack of protected characters. I was watching the 2005 Royal Rumble recently, the first time I've actually seen it, and at one point in the match, the only guys in the ring were Chris Benoit, Eddie Guerrero, Edge, Rey Mysterio, Shelton Benjamin, Chris Jericho, and Booker T. None of those guys were used in main event angles at the time, yet each one was over, identifiable, and protected enough to be believable main event talent if required. Guys like HHH, Orton, Undertaker, Michaels, Angle, Batista, and Cena were the top guys (might be missing one or two). If they had a Rumble today, and did not have Cena, Orton, Reigns, Ambrose, Bryan, or Rollins in the ring, what would it look like? Likely a bunch of mid-carders who have not been protected at all. That's really the crux of the issue here. The main event scene is terrible, the mid-carders are treated like interchangeable parts, and they tell you it's a variety show, so the audience really has no reason to watch. If they were pulling this shit in 1997, Bischoff would be rewriting history right now, not Vince. You make some good points. If you are feuding with your sibling you should be bummed as hell. Bret Hart was surly and subdued when interacting with the crowd when feuding with Owen (not that he ever interacted like HBK or Hogan would). Jeff Hardy acted conflicted when he first feuded with Matt because Matt presented some decent reasons to be mad at Jeff and Jeff could not deny them. Additionally, as I mentioned in my previous post, losing a lot means that you get your ass kicked a lot. You should be sore. You should be tired. You should be frustrated. It's one thing if a joker like Santino loses week in and week out. His primary focus is to interact with the crowd and getting his ass kicked is just part of the cost to get to do that. It's another thing for a serious competitor to shrug off losses. They should eat at him. They should hurt. He should be stiff in places. They don't ever do that, so why should the crowd care about wins and losses? They mean next to nothing unless some significant title is involved.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Oct 22, 2014 11:02:47 GMT -5
When you give people shit, you get shit in return. My first thought as well. f***'s sake, how many times have we seen some combination of Cena/Ambrose/Rollins/Orton/Kane in a main event tag match in the last month alone? They've been phoning it hard and they got what they deserved with this rating.
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Post by stealthamo on Oct 22, 2014 11:05:46 GMT -5
It's basically the wrestling version of Malibu Stacy with a New Hat. Malibu Cena with a different color scheme and tag team partner he doesn't get along with.
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Oct 22, 2014 11:23:46 GMT -5
When you give people shit, you get shit in return. My first thought as well. f***'s sake, how many times have we seen some combination of Cena/Ambrose/Rollins/Orton/Kane in a main event tag match in the last month alone? They've been phoning it hard and they got what they deserved with this rating. Hell even if you plug in Reigns from last month, it was this exact same scenario. It's been Shield guys vs The Authority since f***ing April because they've assf***ed any other possible main event talent for years.
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