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Post by James Fabiano on Oct 22, 2014 13:41:01 GMT -5
And this is why I can't hate Melissa McCarthy (despite the Flanderizing of her on-screen persona). She was allowed to get over without conforming to some social norms like Renee has, apparently. I'm glad she doesn't care what people think.
/Outside of about said Flanderizing...I wish she'd try to think outside the box again.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2014 14:12:30 GMT -5
She's not awful looking, but everything that makes her unique is now gone. She looks generic. Also is going to affect her acting when your face is frozen. Sigh... Just Let it Go...Let it Go...
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Post by Mid-Carder on Oct 22, 2014 14:14:10 GMT -5
Remember the media used to constantly laugh at Renee for her face because she wasn't factory-line beautiful like most actresses?
Yeah, this is what happens
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Post by James Fabiano on Oct 22, 2014 14:34:38 GMT -5
Remember the media used to constantly laugh at Renee for her face because she wasn't factory-line beautiful like most actresses? Yeah, this is what happens And worse. Two words: Karen Carpenter. Are we really different from the Nazis if we insist that all famous women (and then, civilian women feel the same eventually) must look the same? I have a feeling this line will be edited out, and that's OK, but still... This is why it's hard to think of really good female actresses now, as they all look the same (and more often than not, can't act because hey, they're hot...)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2014 14:42:02 GMT -5
And this is why I can't hate Melissa McCarthy (despite the Flanderizing of her on-screen persona). She was allowed to get over without conforming to some social norms like Renee has, apparently. I'm glad she doesn't care what people think. Outside of said Flanderizing. Very random to use Renee Zellweger getting plastic surgery to declare respect for Melissa McCarthy for keeping her face. I don't villainize plastic surgery any more than I do sex change operations or tattoos. They're all things I wouldn't do and they're all things that you better be sure you really want it once you do it.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Oct 22, 2014 14:46:20 GMT -5
I really don't like this response. Does she make some salient points about aging? Yes. Does she try to make it sound as though getting older and aging is not a bad thing? Yes. That, I like. What I don't like is pretending that she had NOTHING done. Your eyelids don't open wider with age. If anything, it is the opposite. She clearly had work done and then made a statement implying it is important to be comfortable in your own skin. I really don't like the hypocrisy. Look, other celebrities have had work done and been either upfront about it or at least presented a reasonable reason beyond vanity to do it. Jennifer Grey and Jane Seymour both admit they had work done for vanity reasons and both publicly stated that they regret it (nose job for Grey, botox for Seymour). Ashley Tisdale had a nose job but claims that she had a legitimate medical reason for doing it (the fact that her new nose makes her cuter is supposedly just a perk). Joan Rivers made it part of her act. The point is, it isn't necessarily a big deal to have some work done. You can even make big changes acceptable if you are either upfront about or have a good story. If Michael Jackson had not only publicly stated that he had vitiligo (which he did do) but that he did undergo skin bleaching to "even out" the loss of pigment (which he denied doing), no one would have ever ragged on him about it even if they thought he did it for other reasons. I think it's irrelevant really, she needn't admit she had work done if she doesn't want to, if she's now comfortable in her skin then s'cool, it's nobodies business, no one's looks are owned by the public. Considering most articles posted about it are schlock celebrity "OMG, she used to be hot with a unique look, now she's...a 45 year old celebrity who had plastic surgery! Who we haven't written about recently at all as we're opportunists!" nonsense, I think it's fair for her to say 'I'm older, I'm comfortable about myself these days, I don't owe you details or confirmation of anything, get over it everybody, I'm happy.' Look, I don't care if she had work done or not. I did not rag on the other celebrities I mentioned. Unfortunately, as a celebrity her status allows her some influence on the public consciousness. If she had ignored the comments, then I have no problem with that. If she had said, "Yeah, I had some work done. What of it?", I probably would be singing her praises. If she had addressed it and said that she felt pressured to do it, I would want to be supportive of her. If she had claimed that she was having problems with her eyes and the surgery was an attempt to deal with it, I might not have believed it entirely but I would not care. As I said, the hypocrisy is what bothers me. I do not like someone making a public statement about being comfortable in one's own skin (an overall great message) while displaying evidence that she herself did not live up to that. Heck, if she had even said that it is important to be comfortable in your own skin and that she wished that she had been able to live up to that standard, I would have no issue with it. To me, the issue is that her mixed signals can affect a very small but unbalanced portion of our population. It may not be fair, but one of the prices of fame is that you can have undue and unexpected influence on some unhealthy individuals. I would like to think that if I were famous, I might take that responsibility seriously. It might be unfair to ask an actress to consider that, but that is where I am coming from. Like I said, she could have addressed the situation in many different ways (including not dealing with it), and I would have been fine with most of them. I just have a problem with the one that she did choose, but then again I am a little sensitive to people with mental health issues (mother committed suicide, step-son in hospital right now, youngest is a struggling transgendered individual, uncle drank himself into dementia, etc.)
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Post by James Fabiano on Oct 22, 2014 14:53:44 GMT -5
And this is why I can't hate Melissa McCarthy (despite the Flanderizing of her on-screen persona). She was allowed to get over without conforming to some social norms like Renee has, apparently. I'm glad she doesn't care what people think. Outside of said Flanderizing. Very random to use Renee Zellweger getting plastic surgery to declare respect for Melissa McCarthy for keeping her face. I don't villainize plastic surgery any more than I do sex change operations or tattoos. They're all things I wouldn't do and they're all things that you better be sure you really want it once you do it. Not too random...my point was most female celebrities are all samey now because of the beauty standards that apparently caused Renee to do this. So I am happy if anyone bucks the norm, pretty much.
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Post by Grand Papillon "The Banker" on Oct 22, 2014 15:51:57 GMT -5
Well, I guess we know who Joan Rivers be-quested her plastic surgery credits.
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Oct 22, 2014 21:55:00 GMT -5
It may be a popular thing, I dunno. But I laughed hard and marked hard for your post. I use this phrase constantly. Great movie quote.
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Oct 22, 2014 21:57:24 GMT -5
Plump Bridget Jones makes me happy. There, I said it.
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on Oct 22, 2014 23:50:23 GMT -5
This is almost as bad as Jennifer Grey getting the nose job. Jennifer Grey who pretty much blames her nose job for killing her career that was poised in the late 80's to explode huge. I totally agree with her. After Ferris Bueller and Red Dawn she was getting very recognizable. Dirty Dancing was obviously a huge hit. Problem with her is that those movies were more known for Patrick Swayze and Matthew Broderick. People recognized her when they saw her but she wasn't yet a household name. Once she changed her face people had zero idea she was the same person from those movies. Thus, her career died. Really sad because I really think she would have been a huge star. I've never liked it when people get plastic surgery or boob jobs, has always been a turnoff to me. I do however like it when people have nice tats that are well done though. source: www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/jennifer-grey-on-patrick-swayze-dirty-1274628
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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 23, 2014 0:00:34 GMT -5
Plump Bridget Jones makes me happy. There, I said it. I liked that, too, not just you, no worries.
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Post by Urethra Franklin on Oct 23, 2014 0:26:31 GMT -5
If you needed any proof that it must be absolutely horrible to be a woman in the public eye, witness the last 48 hours in Renee Zellweger's life.
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Post by unc40 on Oct 23, 2014 2:10:51 GMT -5
Remember the media used to constantly laugh at Renee for her face because she wasn't factory-line beautiful like most actresses? Yeah, this is what happens And worse. Two words: Karen Carpenter. Are we really different from the Nazis if we insist that all famous women (and then, civilian women feel the same eventually) must look the same? I have a feeling this line will be edited out, and that's OK, but still... This is why it's hard to think of really good female actresses now, as they all look the same (and more often than not, can't act because hey, they're hot...) Yes, we are very different from the Nazis.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Oct 23, 2014 6:24:34 GMT -5
That woulda pretty well been my response. She doesn't really even look bad, just different. But, that woulda been my retort. "Yep, I wanted a lil work done, so I did it."
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Oct 23, 2014 6:52:49 GMT -5
I think it completes her.
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Post by bigalbass86 AKA Smokin Vokoun on Oct 23, 2014 7:07:10 GMT -5
Other than the fact that she looks like a completely different person, I don't see what the big deal is. I've seen FAR worse plastic surgery nightmares, and she isn't one of them.
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Post by The Unconquered Sun on Oct 23, 2014 7:39:00 GMT -5
the sad thing is this is the untouched photo.
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Post by mcstoklasa on Oct 23, 2014 8:21:36 GMT -5
I have a feeling this is a big prank. Also, anyone catch Buzzfeed posting an article making fun of her in the morning, then posting an article shaming us all for laughing and imposing gender shackles on her? I despise that website
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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 23, 2014 9:27:28 GMT -5
Remember the media used to constantly laugh at Renee for her face because she wasn't factory-line beautiful like most actresses? Yeah, this is what happens And worse. Two words: Karen Carpenter. Are we really different from the Nazis if we insist that all famous women (and then, civilian women feel the same eventually) must look the same? I have a feeling this line will be edited out, and that's OK, but still... This is why it's hard to think of really good female actresses now, as they all look the same (and more often than not, can't act because hey, they're hot...) I agree with you in bringing up Karen Carpenter, an example that the pressures of fame and the media microscope can do serious harm to people, but I feel the Nazi comparison is way off. It won't be edited, you are not really making a political statement, but I do think it's a little outlandish a comparison.
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