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Post by kevin on Oct 22, 2014 20:38:01 GMT -5
I don't see history being kind to John Cena. I have a feeling people are going to think of him as having an artificial legacy and a forced HOF spot. History will be extremely kind to John Cena. He is the best mic worker the company has ever has and a decent in ring worker. A lot of the people who hate him simply do so because he is around all the time and has been for a decade. While most of the WWE Universe loves that fact, those that don't are very vocal about it on boards right now but with time their hatred will soften and many will appreciate the greatness that they were there to see.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2014 20:53:23 GMT -5
I don't see history being kind to John Cena. I have a feeling people are going to think of him as having an artificial legacy and a forced HOF spot. History will be extremely kind to John Cena. He is the best mic worker the company has ever has and a decent in ring worker. A lot of the people who hate him simply do so because he is around all the time and has ben for a decade. While most of the WWe Universe loves that fact, those that don't are very vocal about it on boards right now but with time their hatred will soften and many will appreciate the greatness that they were there to see.
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Post by xCompackx on Oct 22, 2014 21:45:21 GMT -5
I don't see history being kind to John Cena. I have a feeling people are going to think of him as having an artificial legacy and a forced HOF spot. History will be extremely kind to John Cena. He is the best mic worker the company has ever has and a decent in ring worker. A lot of the people who hate him simply do so because he is around all the time and has ben for a decade. While most of the WWe Universe loves that fact, those that don't are very vocal about it on boards right now but with time their hatred will soften and many will appreciate the greatness that they were there to see. Maybe you're right. I don't really consider myself to be a Cena hater, but maybe history will remember the good more than the bad. The thing is, a lot of the accomplishments Cena has under his belt are pretty artificial. WWE constantly mentions that he's a 15-time champion when the majority of those reigns only happened to bolster his number of championships wins.
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Post by Jiren on Oct 22, 2014 22:07:03 GMT -5
I don't see history being kind to John Cena. I have a feeling people are going to think of him as having an artificial legacy and a forced HOF spot. History will be extremely kind to John Cena. He is the best mic worker the company has ever has and a decent in ring worker. A lot of the people who hate him simply do so because he is around all the time and has been for a decade. While most of the WWE Universe loves that fact, those that don't are very vocal about it on boards right now but with time their hatred will soften and many will appreciate the greatness that they were there to see.
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Post by bluemeii on Oct 22, 2014 22:34:48 GMT -5
Yes, in terms of as much as one individual can be a draw in 2014's version of WWE. The brand is the biggest draw, Cena is just the main spoke in the wheel and has been for a long time.
Like it or not, the guy get the biggest reaction (with Bryan out anyway) every single time he steps out of the curtain. Whether it's a chorus of boos or the fans screaming their heads off for him, he's getting something from the crowd. Isn't that the main goal anyway?
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Post by . on Oct 22, 2014 22:35:00 GMT -5
I don't see history being kind to John Cena. I have a feeling people are going to think of him as having an artificial legacy and a forced HOF spot. History will be extremely kind to John Cena. He is the best mic worker the company has ever has and a decent in ring worker. A lot of the people who hate him simply do so because he is around all the time and has been for a decade. While most of the WWE Universe loves that fact, those that don't are very vocal about it on boards right now but with time their hatred will soften and many will appreciate the greatness that they were there to see. Just to reiterate the point.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Oct 22, 2014 22:36:55 GMT -5
Youtube response to that guys post.
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Post by bluemeii on Oct 22, 2014 22:39:06 GMT -5
Seriously, guy posts his opinion and all of a sudden it's flame on. Oh that's right it's about Cena, makes it all good.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Oct 22, 2014 23:44:23 GMT -5
Kind of unrelated but is it me or is there suddenly a bunch of Cena threads here? All of them kinda wanting to stir the same conversation.
Who thinks Cena never did nothin for nobody and will be immediately forgotten the second he retires?
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Post by Blindkarevik on Oct 23, 2014 1:59:13 GMT -5
Of course he's been a draw. I don't have to be a fan of the guy to recognize his drawing power.
Much like how I respect Johnny Cash's contribution to music, but I'm nowhere near a fan of his.
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Post by kevin on Oct 23, 2014 2:35:53 GMT -5
Kind of unrelated but is it me or is there suddenly a bunch of Cena threads here? All of them kinda wanting to stir the same conversation. Who thinks Cena never did nothin for nobody and will be immediately forgotten the second he retires? I have noticed that too. The Cena hate has seemed really strong latly. I am not sure exactly why it's so big right now. As for my earlier point I have never seen someone who can make a crowd react how he wants even when the crowd started with no intention of playing along. Rock was great but to forumulaic for me Austin was amazing but did not have Cena's range. Jericho and Angle were both funnier but not as complete as Cena. In all my years of watching he is my favorite on the mic. I honestly don't think that's laughable but okay.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Oct 23, 2014 7:05:41 GMT -5
Had WWE dared to risk letting Rock headline Mania against someone else, we might have actually got an answer to this question.
Did Rock draw, or did Rock and Cena draw?
(And don't bother giving a definite answer to this because there really is no definite way of telling.)
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Oct 23, 2014 7:09:03 GMT -5
I don't see history being kind to John Cena. I have a feeling people are going to think of him as having an artificial legacy and a forced HOF spot. That's ridiculous. Artificial legacy, maybe, but Cena is building a larger and larger following of people who appreciate his work without liking his character. Once Cena is gone, actually GONE gone, his legacy will genuinely grow rather than artificially because the substantial number of great matches he's had these past few years will help build that without him being on TV and stale all the time. Even most of Cena's haters these days can admit that the man can have great matches when he needs to. As for a forced HOF spot, that's preposterous. Cena has a shitload of title reigns (and calling those artificial in a fake sport is insanity) including some of the longest of the modern era, has headlined a couple of the biggest drawing Manias ever, insane longevity - the idea of his HOF spot being 'forced' when someone like Razor Ramon - who lest we forget, never won a world title and was only in WWE for a few years - isn't would be ridiculous. And if none of that works for ya, there's the old standby of 'hey if Koko's in there...'
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Post by . on Oct 24, 2014 13:46:51 GMT -5
Seriously, guy posts his opinion and all of a sudden it's flame on. Oh that's right it's about Cena, makes it all good. Yes that is the entire reason and not making a bold flame baiting statement. Oh it's Cena, He is above any criticism because it's the smark thing to do.
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Post by Instant Classic on Oct 24, 2014 14:06:21 GMT -5
Yes, he will. Granted not on the level of Hogan, Rock, and Austin but much higher than the New Generation brood. Like it or not, Cena been propping up WWE for almost a decade.
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Post by bluemeii on Oct 24, 2014 14:10:46 GMT -5
Seriously, guy posts his opinion and all of a sudden it's flame on. Oh that's right it's about Cena, makes it all good. Yes that is the entire reason and not making a bold flame baiting statement. Oh it's Cena, He is above any criticism because it's the smark thing to do. No as he stated in the follow up he goes further in depth why he feels that way. Nothing flame baiting other than your response.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Oct 24, 2014 14:30:51 GMT -5
I think history has the ability to be very unkind to Cena, if he ends up remembered as the guy whose run at the top involved nine years of clamoring for someone else to be at the top. Whose most iconic rivalries have people cheering the heel. Triple H gets hell for his run more than ten years ago, where people point to plenty of faces who could have gone over and taken the top spot and were held back. You really think Cena won't be seen in the same light?
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Post by Aboutreika18 on Oct 24, 2014 14:58:59 GMT -5
Yes, as someone who drew wrestling fans away from WWE's product.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2014 15:03:14 GMT -5
Yeah, I think he'll be remembered as a draw by people who would use the term "a draw" like we would.
The most interesting thing about Cena to me, it seems, is that he's truly the first "top guy" who really played ball and towed the company line throughout his career.
Most guys go into business for themselves and either stage a soft coup or end up selling to the highest bidder.
Cena is a company man through and through and the first company man in a long while that actually made it to that top spot.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Oct 24, 2014 15:48:08 GMT -5
Yeah, I think he'll be remembered as a draw by people who would use the term "a draw" like we would. The most interesting thing about Cena to me, it seems, is that he's truly the first "top guy" who really played ball and towed the company line throughout his career. Most guys go into business for themselves and either stage a soft coup or end up selling to the highest bidder. Cena is a company man through and through and the first company man in a long while that actually made it to that top spot. Another interesting point. There was no other company Cena could play ball with. TNA could've made a move but it would've cost them a lot, more than he would bring in. Does anyone honestly think Cena jumping ship to TNA at any point in the last decade would make much of a difference? Maybe ratings would've popped a point for awhile but seeing as how WWE's ratings barely fluctuate when Cena's away (and they're sinking right now with him in the main event)I don't think it would've made much of a difference, therefore: not a draw.
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