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Post by Boo! on Oct 23, 2014 0:27:23 GMT -5
I don't believe any of them really. Of all people maybe I'm just conditioned when a wrestler tells me he doesn't drink or do drugs (e.g "I only took steriods twice for medical reasons, brother!") I just think 'bullshit' I can't help it. It's a natural reaction. I also think if you're so anal not to enjoy a beer occasionally and just get through life eating nettles and elderberries and doing DDP yoga for fun, you're probably too boring for me to believe you in any case. Yeah, how dare you guys be able to have fun without getting into a state of intoxication! And of course, credibility falls into how exciting you are. Major life lesson, there. Where does fun come into it? There's something, I think, quite arrogant in making a thing about it. There are a million different unhealthy or intoxicating things that people elect not to do for one reason or another yet who has 'No E numbers man' tattooed on their body somewhere or part of a gimmick. My ex didn't eat chocolate or things that were high in sugar, it wasn't a gimmick for her that she'd have to tell people about. "This is Jennifer, she calls herself 'Down the Line' because she doesn't eat much sugar. Would you like to see the tattoo confirming this?" My main problem with people who are 'straight edge' is generally their ability to tell everyone about it and make a thing of it. The "I don't need alcohol to have a good time." - sure but that's like the 6th time you've told me tonight - SHUT UP ABOUT IT! If you're going to draw attention to yourself as some do in a "look at how awesome I am I don't do drugs, alcohol, fatty foods or concentrated fruit juice" then IMO you leave yourself open to criticism by choosing to bring your lifestyle choice into the conversation and making it an issue. I don't care if you only go for sugar free drinks, don't take intoxication and only visit the salad bar at pizza hut. I'm not obliged to care or believe you but if you make a thing of it and shove it in my face in a JJ "ain't I great" way then I'll comment and if someone who is straight-edge doesn't like my commenting on it - stop bringing it up.
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Post by ThereIsNoAbsurdistOnlyZuul on Oct 23, 2014 1:21:35 GMT -5
There are stories of Backlund getting shitfaced, I thought Colt Cabana but he has admitted to being drunk. I think Thumbtack Jack who used to work for czw but allegedly Moxley and other guys corrupted him. Allegedly Brian Christopher didn't drink or anything...until he met the road Dogg and Jamie Dundee. I want to say Josh Prohibition and Sick Nick Mondo but I'm not sure. Pretty sure Cena used to be straight edge, but Flair got him into drinking. Flair is very proud of this too, which is kinda disturbing. Nothing wrong with drinking, but turning a straight edger into a heavy drinker is not something to be proud of. Also, add Triple H and Jerry Lawler to the straight edge list. Uh, just to clarify starting to drink, and being 'into drinking' does not make you a heavy drinker.
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Post by Boo! on Oct 23, 2014 1:23:39 GMT -5
Pretty sure Cena used to be straight edge, but Flair got him into drinking. Flair is very proud of this too, which is kinda disturbing. Nothing wrong with drinking, but turning a straight edger into a heavy drinker is not something to be proud of. Also, add Triple H and Jerry Lawler to the straight edge list. Uh, just to clarify starting to drink, and being 'into drinking' does not make you a heavy drinker. Unless you're like 300lbs... But Flair's probably pleased he doesn't have to have one of those 'someone who doesn't drink telling you they don't drink all the time when you just want to sit there and have a drink' conversations. Because they can be annoying those chats. I've noticed that people who don't drink are far more pleased with themselves than people who don't smoke. "I don't need a cigarette to enjoy myself" is a sentence said by nobody ever.
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Post by Evil Homer on Oct 23, 2014 1:28:09 GMT -5
Pretty sure Cena used to be straight edge, but Flair got him into drinking. Flair is very proud of this too, which is kinda disturbing. Nothing wrong with drinking, but turning a straight edger into a heavy drinker is not something to be proud of. Also, add Triple H and Jerry Lawler to the straight edge list. Lol yeah Lawler is the ultimate straight edge, punk has admitted that he got drunk as a teenager while Jerry has never ever drank alcohol. Poor triple h being the kliq's nanny when did Punk admit he had gotten drunk as a teen ?
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Post by celticjobber on Oct 23, 2014 1:45:16 GMT -5
AJ Lee
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Post by AwamoriRock on Oct 23, 2014 2:26:20 GMT -5
lol, well that's definitely another strike against AJ for me.
Anyway as for the topic--I'm not too well-read on the subject, but I think some wrestlers don't drink or do drugs because of health reasons, and need to maintain a very strict diet (liver enzymes and whatnot)--so I wonder if the more hardcore of the straightedge community consider that the same or not. It's a difficult community for me to talk about because it seems like the rules vary amongst people who attach it to the punk movement, moral guidelines, or whatever.
I drink pretty frequently and love it, but I don't have any problem with people who choose not to and nobody really should. I really dislike the "I don't need_________to have fun", because it really sounds like a douchey strawman if you say it unprompted. If somebody is egging you on about not drinking, go ahead, though. I just think it's weird to get militant about it on either side.
Now I'm going to go murder a workout and a beer.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2014 2:55:21 GMT -5
Straight Edge is intrinsically linked to the Punk Rock scene and makes no freaking sense outside of that context.
It started as the minor threat dude's noticing how many of their peers were an absolute mess and reacting to the idea that you had to get messed up to fit in. When you pull it out of the context of the going-to-punk-shows scene it comes across as people being all crappy and judgmental of the world around them because you no longer have the drug culture that's so ingrained in the whole scene. So they end up looking super arrogant.
Freakin' AJ though. People are IMMORAL if they drink now? Come on. Just a stunningly stupid thing to say.
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Post by 67 more on Oct 23, 2014 2:55:42 GMT -5
Yeah, how dare you guys be able to have fun without getting into a state of intoxication! And of course, credibility falls into how exciting you are. Major life lesson, there. Where does fun come into it? There's something, I think, quite arrogant in making a thing about it. There are a million different unhealthy or intoxicating things that people elect not to do for one reason or another yet who has 'No E numbers man' tattooed on their body somewhere or part of a gimmick. My ex didn't eat chocolate or things that were high in sugar, it wasn't a gimmick for her that she'd have to tell people about. "This is Jennifer, she calls herself 'Down the Line' because she doesn't eat much sugar. Would you like to see the tattoo confirming this?" My main problem with people who are 'straight edge' is generally their ability to tell everyone about it and make a thing of it. The "I don't need alcohol to have a good time." - sure but that's like the 6th time you've told me tonight - SHUT UP ABOUT IT! If you're going to draw attention to yourself as some do in a "look at how awesome I am I don't do drugs, alcohol, fatty foods or concentrated fruit juice" then IMO you leave yourself open to criticism by choosing to bring your lifestyle choice into the conversation and making it an issue. I don't care if you only go for sugar free drinks, don't take intoxication and only visit the salad bar at pizza hut. I'm not obliged to care or believe you but if you make a thing of it and shove it in my face in a JJ "ain't I great" way then I'll comment and if someone who is straight-edge doesn't like my commenting on it - stop bringing it up. "I also think if you're so anal not to enjoy a beer occasionally and just get through life eating nettles and elderberries and doing DDP yoga for fun, you're probably too boring for me to believe you in any case." That is a direct quote from you. You obviously believe that fun does come into it. "I don't believe any of them really. Of all people maybe I'm just conditioned when a wrestler tells me he doesn't drink or do drugs (e.g "I only took steriods twice for medical reasons, brother!") I just think 'bullshit' I can't help it. It's a natural reaction." You obviously do care if someone drinks or not, just because of having a reaction if someone says that they're teetotal. Also, people abstain from alcohol for different reasons. Some do it for health/weight reasons (because God damn does beer put the weight on you), some avoid it due to previous trauma in their life (alcoholic/addict relative, possibly had a drinking problem themselves), some just plain don't like the taste so don't bother. Yes, it's annoying when anyone preaches their lifestyle on you. That's not a straight-edge thing, that's a people thing. People will preach to you to follow their way of life because that's what humanity does. Doesn't matter if it's because of left-wing, right-wing, atheist, religious, veganism, GM food detractors, etc etc etc. Comparing alcohol to sugar makes no sense. I've never heard of anyone killed due to jelly bean consumption while driving. People don't do stupid shit because they've had one too many fruit pastilles. I never saw my dad go into a rage because he'd spent all day eating candy floss.
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Post by thirteen3 on Oct 23, 2014 3:05:12 GMT -5
This should be titled "Teetotal wrestlers." Straight Edge is a lifestyle that involves abstinence from premarital sex. CM Punk doesn't even fit into that.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2014 3:29:01 GMT -5
This should be titled "Teetotal wrestlers." Straight Edge is a lifestyle that involves abstinence from premarital sex. CM Punk doesn't even fit into that. Says who? Ian MacKaye disagrees. Of course, he thinks straight edge in general is pretty dumb.
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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 23, 2014 3:37:35 GMT -5
Promiscuous sex and premarital sex are very different things.
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Post by TGM on Oct 23, 2014 4:22:26 GMT -5
Adam Copeland has only been known to have heterosexual relationships. There was that time he approached CM Punk and offered to enter a homosexual relationship but got denied.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2014 5:03:15 GMT -5
Daivari presumably doesn't drink unless he's non religious. I assume the Iron Sheik is non religious as he's gotten on the mic after a few bottles of pop.
I think everyone has at least one vice, my one teetotal friend who has never touched anything illegal smokes like a chimney and has lost fortunes on the slot machines.
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Post by Boo! on Oct 23, 2014 5:11:02 GMT -5
Promiscuous sex and premarital sex are very different things. Yeah, premarital sex indicates you're going to know who each other is in the morning. But there's also the third category, sleeping with someone you know but have no intention of every marrying. A 'booty call' regular or someone you've been dating long term but neither of you want to take it the next step. I think these are what most sexual relations consist of these days for the under 40s. Promiscuous has negative connotations where you sleep with someone you've just met or meet someone specifically to have sex.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball☝🏻 on Oct 23, 2014 5:13:30 GMT -5
Yeah, how dare you guys be able to have fun without getting into a state of intoxication! And of course, credibility falls into how exciting you are. Major life lesson, there. Where does fun come into it?My main problem with people who are 'straight edge' is generally their ability to tell everyone about it and make a thing of it. The "I don't need alcohol to have a good time." - sure but that's like the 6th time you've told me tonight - SHUT UP ABOUT IT! Language!
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Post by Boo! on Oct 23, 2014 5:14:32 GMT -5
Daivari presumably doesn't drink unless he's non religious. I assume the Iron Sheik is non religious as he's gotten on the mic after a few bottles of pop. I think everyone has at least one vice, my one teetotal friend who has never touched anything illegal smokes like a chimney and has lost fortunes on the slot machines. This is why I find it objectionable. Everyone has a vice, as you say. Smoking, drinking, drugs, fast food, sugary drinks etc. I think it's quite dickish to flaunt that you don't have one. So you don't drink or smoke. I drive an environmentally friendly car, it doesn't form part of my personality I want to boast about.
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Post by Session Moth is over on Oct 23, 2014 6:57:43 GMT -5
I rarely drink. Other than the odd glass of wine I only drink when I'm out woth my friends, but that's very little nowdays. I can't understand why people would go out two or three nights every single week and get locked, it's bad for you and a waste of money. That's not to say I never get drunk, I have but it's rare. However even though people need to be carful when it comes to drink comments like the first AJ Lee tweet annoy the crap out of me. Talk about arrogant. The fact she believes not drinking has anything to do with intelligence is foolish.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Oct 23, 2014 7:07:28 GMT -5
This is why I find it objectionable. Everyone has a vice, as you say. Smoking, drinking, drugs, fast food, sugary drinks etc. I think it's quite dickish to flaunt that you don't have one. So you don't drink or smoke. I drive an environmentally friendly car, it doesn't form part of my personality I want to boast about. Out of all the wrestlers mentioned, Punk seems to be the only one that makes a super huge deal out of it, and he's prone to being rather a tool in general and would be one even if he drank and smoked as that's who he is. You're assuming that because wrestlers have certain beliefs or are living a certain lifestyle, that means they're either lying or trying to force them on others, that comes across as every bit as dickish as you imagine them to be. Wrestling is an industry that has left a heck of a lot of guys wrecked because of the drug and alcohol culture and is filled with enablers and veterans who like nothing better than seeing guys with far more promising futures than they ever had go off the rails, so trying to live a 'straight edge' lifestyle and saying no is just a smart choice.
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Post by jmule on Oct 23, 2014 7:11:13 GMT -5
Triple h believe it or not. Nah, sorry pal but steroids are a drug..
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Oct 23, 2014 7:23:23 GMT -5
Am I right in thinking there is a difference between identifying as 'Straight Edge' and choosing not to consume alcohol, tobacco, and drugs? I know Lawler has never imbibed alcohol or taken drugs, but I doubt he would label himself 'Straight Edge.'
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