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Post by Surfer Sandman on Oct 23, 2014 7:39:16 GMT -5
I don't drink or do drugs, not because I have this superiority complex over people who do, but because they have no appeal to me and never did. To people who don't know how to have fun without drinking and/or doing drugs, I'm sure that I'm pretty boring. Conversely, people who can't imagine having a good time without drinking and/or doing drugs are incredibly boring to me. I don't know how many people I've met who I've thought were cool and wanted to hang out with until it became clear that they were going to insist on dressing it up with booze. How anti-climactic. With that said, I think "straight edge" is utterly retarded, and I would hate to think that anyone would EVER try to define me as a "straight edge" dude just because I abstain from those substances. I am simply a person who does not partake of them, no more and no less. I hung out with both drunks and so-called straight-edgers. The hardcore drunks were obnoxious, reckless and immature. The straight-edgers were boring because they couldn't f***ing shut up about not doing drugs or booze. I'd rather just hang out with people like me. People who have no interest in binge-drinking or total abstinence.
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Post by Surfer Sandman on Oct 23, 2014 7:42:53 GMT -5
Translation: "People who drink are stupid and immoral" I can understand if she's just heeling it up. However, I can't stand people who use their lack of interest in drinking or drugs to make themselves look like f***ing saints.
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Post by wildojinx on Oct 23, 2014 7:55:13 GMT -5
Would wrestlers who kicked the drug and alcohol habits count? If so than add in the later years for Eddie Guerrero and Shawn Michaels.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2014 8:20:27 GMT -5
Translation: "People who drink are stupid and immoral" I can understand if she's just heeling it up. However, I can't stand people who use their lack of interest in drinking or drugs to make themselves look like f***ing saints. I think sending a positive message of substance abstinence is good, but to me her tweet is negative and condescending. Maybe it's just because I can't and never have been able to stand this woman's stupid face.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2014 10:20:42 GMT -5
Also, Luke Gallows and Serena.
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Post by Boo! on Oct 23, 2014 10:31:34 GMT -5
I'm not sure abstinence is healthy at all. Without getting onto one of the banned subjects of discussion when a group of men elect to abstain from sexual contact through their vocation we've seen how that can go horribly, horribly wrong.
As unhealthy as things are; booze, chocolate, Burger King etc, I think complete and utter denial and abstinence isn't healthy either. You've got to have your vices and go wild once in a while you I think it becomes an issue. I'm not sure how people cope without a 'release', as it were. It may be healthier but it doesn't seem entirely healthy...if you get what I mean.
To avoid things as a matter of principle I don't think is psychologically healthy. I'm sure I'd never take hard drugs because of the immediate health implications but nobody dies from having a few beers every now and again or wine with dinner. To 'outlaw' these things and class them as 'bad' I think constitutes an unhealthy psychological obsession that must manifest itself in other ways.
It's different if you don't like smoking or booze - that's fine. I don't like smoking myself. But there's a difference between preference and devotion to not doing something, which I think is odd.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2014 10:42:05 GMT -5
I'm not sure abstinence is healthy at all. Without getting onto one of the banned subjects of discussion when a group of men elect to abstain from sexual contact through their vocation we've seen how that can go horribly, horribly wrong. As unhealthy as things are; booze, chocolate, Burger King etc, I think complete and utter denial and abstinence isn't healthy either. You've got to have your vices and go wild once in a while you I think it becomes an issue. I'm not sure how people cope without a 'release', as it were. It may be healthier but it doesn't seem entirely healthy...if you get what I mean. Is chocolate and Burger King really what we're talking about here though? I mean, I'm honestly asking because I don't know hardly anything about "straight edge". Are they seriously against going out for a Whopper and a chocolate shake? Also, one person's release is not going to be the same as another's. My release is to sit in front of a computer and play video games for an entire Saturday. I couldn't care less about "going wild" with booze or binging on Burger King and Snickers bars. It doesn't even enter my mind.
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Post by Boo! on Oct 23, 2014 10:46:29 GMT -5
Well if the principle is denying what's 'bad' then candy and fast food surely counts too? That's the point though if you take it to the logical conclusion anyone who is truly 'Straight edge', is just going to seem mental.
There are all sorts of things we prefer to do any not do but to be against something relatively harmless as a matter of principle I don't think is healthy psychologically. If you don't want a beer - don't have one. If that's the case for years then don't drink for years. But to deny yourself a beer or a glass of wine as a matter of personal devotion..I dunno, seems kinda odd. It's like I don't smoke but I don't smoke because I don't want to. Not smoking isn't something that defines me. I'm not a 'straight-edge' acolyte when it comes to tobacco, I just don't smoke.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2014 10:57:43 GMT -5
I'm not sure abstinence is healthy at all. Without getting onto one of the banned subjects of discussion when a group of men elect to abstain from sexual contact through their vocation we've seen how that can go horribly, horribly wrong. As unhealthy as things are; booze, chocolate, Burger King etc, I think complete and utter denial and abstinence isn't healthy either. You've got to have your vices and go wild once in a while you I think it becomes an issue. I'm not sure how people cope without a 'release', as it were. It may be healthier but it doesn't seem entirely healthy...if you get what I mean. Is chocolate and Burger King really what we're talking about here though? I mean, I'm honestly asking because I don't know hardly anything about "straight edge". Are they seriously against going out for a Whopper and a chocolate shake? Also, one person's release is not going to be the same as another's. My release is to sit in front of a computer and play video games for an entire Saturday. I couldn't care less about "going wild" with booze or binging on Burger King and Snickers bars. It doesn't even enter my mind. Exactly - when people can't comprehend that someone else could possibly "cut loose" or "go wild" in a way that's different than how they do it - that's just silly. Random dude who ONLY sees drinking as a way to have fun: "You don't drink AT ALL!?!?!? How do you relax and have a good time? You must just be boring and not enjoy life at all!" Most reasonable people (whether they drink or not): "I've got lots of hobbies, friends and creative outlets that I indulge in that fill my time and are a lot of fun." Dude from before: "Pfft. Yeah, but if you don't have a drink how can you enjoy it?!?" --- The crazy thing to me is there are people out there who can't even concieve of relaxing, having fun, going on a first date, or even having sex with someone for the first time without having a few drinks first. That's obviously the exception and not the rule for people who drink but I have met those people - many times - and they've spent a lot of time that I'll never get back trying to convince me to drink.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2014 11:08:48 GMT -5
Is chocolate and Burger King really what we're talking about here though? I mean, I'm honestly asking because I don't know hardly anything about "straight edge". Are they seriously against going out for a Whopper and a chocolate shake? Also, one person's release is not going to be the same as another's. My release is to sit in front of a computer and play video games for an entire Saturday. I couldn't care less about "going wild" with booze or binging on Burger King and Snickers bars. It doesn't even enter my mind. Exactly - when people can't comprehend that someone else could possibly "cut loose" or "go wild" in a way that's different than how they do it - that's just silly. Random dude who ONLY sees drinking as a way to have fun: "You don't drink AT ALL!?!?!? How do you relax and have a good time? You must just be boring and not enjoy life at all!" Most reasonable people (whether they drink or not): "I've got lots of hobbies, friends and creative outlets that I indulge in that fill my time and are a lot of fun." Dude from before: "Pfft. Yeah, but if you don't have a drink how can you enjoy it?!?" --- The crazy thing to me is there are people out there who can't even concieve of relaxing, having fun, going on a first date, or even having sex with someone for the first time without having a few drinks first. That's obviously the exception and not the rule for people who drink but I have met those people - many times - and they've spent a lot of time that I'll never get back trying to convince me to drink. That mentality always takes me back to high school when I felt like I had to lie about drinking or smoking to be "cool". It always seems kind of silly to me when some 30-something year old guy starts grilling me about how I cannot possibly be having much fun because I am denying myself the pleasure of getting wasted, or chuckling at me because I'm not interested in participating in activities where other people are getting wasted. I could go "straight edge" and start going on a tangent or ask him why he would presume everyone needs a substance crutch to feel comfortable and cool, but generally I just shrug my shoulders and say "Sorry, I'm not interested."
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Oct 23, 2014 11:13:25 GMT -5
Steen and Generico don't drink either. And I'm pretty sure I've heard that Sami Zayn also doesn't. Odd how that worked out. It's clearly due to the positive influence of his good friend and Role Model El Generico.
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Post by mrtumoursmisery on Oct 23, 2014 11:31:10 GMT -5
I'm not sure abstinence is healthy at all. Without getting onto one of the banned subjects of discussion when a group of men elect to abstain from sexual contact through their vocation we've seen how that can go horribly, horribly wrong. As unhealthy as things are; booze, chocolate, Burger King etc, I think complete and utter denial and abstinence isn't healthy either. You've got to have your vices and go wild once in a while you I think it becomes an issue. I'm not sure how people cope without a 'release', as it were. It may be healthier but it doesn't seem entirely healthy...if you get what I mean. This is something of a strawman argument. First of all, you have to prove that abstinence from sex was the one and only cause for the actions of that particular "group of men." Secondly, you have absolutely no data pertaining to the number of people who abstain from sex and live healthy lifestyles. Also, you can't compare sex to booze. The brains of human beings are hardwired to desire sex. Hormones manipulate our thoughts and emotions. It's a drive that's inherent in us. There's no inherent craving for booze until we introduce it into our systems and possibly become addicted to it.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Oct 23, 2014 11:36:20 GMT -5
Steen and Generico don't drink either. And I'm pretty sure I've heard that Sami Zayn also doesn't. Odd how that worked out. It's clearly due to the positive influence of his good friend and Role Model El Generico. Lol actually Chuck Taylor once told a story that while partying in Germany, Generico is a mean drunk who wanted to fight a bouncer. In my case because of my social ineptitude, being drunk makes me more sociable, I don't condone it, it's ok if you don't like to drink, but it's wrong to judge how other people live. Both extremes are wrong in my opinion, live and let live I guess.
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Post by Zach on Oct 23, 2014 12:49:11 GMT -5
Exactly - when people can't comprehend that someone else could possibly "cut loose" or "go wild" in a way that's different than how they do it - that's just silly. Random dude who ONLY sees drinking as a way to have fun: "You don't drink AT ALL!?!?!? How do you relax and have a good time? You must just be boring and not enjoy life at all!" Most reasonable people (whether they drink or not): "I've got lots of hobbies, friends and creative outlets that I indulge in that fill my time and are a lot of fun." Dude from before: "Pfft. Yeah, but if you don't have a drink how can you enjoy it?!?" --- The crazy thing to me is there are people out there who can't even concieve of relaxing, having fun, going on a first date, or even having sex with someone for the first time without having a few drinks first. That's obviously the exception and not the rule for people who drink but I have met those people - many times - and they've spent a lot of time that I'll never get back trying to convince me to drink. That mentality always takes me back to high school when I felt like I had to lie about drinking or smoking to be "cool". It always seems kind of silly to me when some 30-something year old guy starts grilling me about how I cannot possibly be having much fun because I am denying myself the pleasure of getting wasted, or chuckling at me because I'm not interested in participating in activities where other people are getting wasted. I could go "straight edge" and start going on a tangent or ask him why he would presume everyone needs a substance crutch to feel comfortable and cool, but generally I just shrug my shoulders and say "Sorry, I'm not interested." I had that happen at a job interview once, the guy said something like "we just want to make sure we won't have problems with you coming in late Monday because you were hungover or something" and I said "oh that wouldn't happen, I don't drink" and he seriously got mad at me and said "you don't drink?! what do you mean you don't drink?!" He couldn't even comprehend that someone wouldn't drink. I don't get it, I'm can have fun, I have hobbies and things I am interested in, I have zero room in my life or time to sit around getting drunk. Being drunk or high would not enhance anything for me. Not to mention the stuff tastes like ass and it would be just another thing to needlessly spend money on. I really don't get people that go to concerts and go back to the bar every 10 seconds to get more beer, its like you aren't even seeing the band play, and you spent 90% of the time drunk and ordering drinks...why even go to the concert to begin with?! But then again, I went to college with a lot of these "im asexual, I want to be a virgin for life" people and I thought they were insane. I will say that a lot of the straight edge people are annoying about it, I don't see the need to rub in everyone's face how you live. I also hate the whole idea of labeling yourself and having to be in some group. HHH and Lawler are just 2 guys who happen to not care about drinking or drugs, they never call themselves "straight edge".
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Post by tigermaskxxxvii on Oct 23, 2014 17:50:39 GMT -5
Is chocolate and Burger King really what we're talking about here though? I mean, I'm honestly asking because I don't know hardly anything about "straight edge". Are they seriously against going out for a Whopper and a chocolate shake? Also, one person's release is not going to be the same as another's. My release is to sit in front of a computer and play video games for an entire Saturday. I couldn't care less about "going wild" with booze or binging on Burger King and Snickers bars. It doesn't even enter my mind. Exactly - when people can't comprehend that someone else could possibly "cut loose" or "go wild" in a way that's different than how they do it - that's just silly. Random dude who ONLY sees drinking as a way to have fun: "You don't drink AT ALL!?!?!? How do you relax and have a good time? You must just be boring and not enjoy life at all!" Most reasonable people (whether they drink or not): "I've got lots of hobbies, friends and creative outlets that I indulge in that fill my time and are a lot of fun." Dude from before: "Pfft. Yeah, but if you don't have a drink how can you enjoy it?!?" --- The crazy thing to me is there are people out there who can't even concieve of relaxing, having fun, going on a first date, or even having sex with someone for the first time without having a few drinks first. That's obviously the exception and not the rule for people who drink but I have met those people - many times - and they've spent a lot of time that I'll never get back trying to convince me to drink. I can't stand how some people can't comprehend that others can cut loose in ways different than their own. I've probably mentioned this is in other threads, but one of my biggest pet peeves about weddings and other family functions where there's dancing and people try to get me on the dance floor by saying to me and my fellow wallflowers "Come on, have some fun! Live a little!". But what they don't understand is that we are having fun. We're laughing, we're drinking and joking around. Just because we're stationary while having fun doesn't mean we're having any less fun. In reguards to people who can't do anything without a drink, one of the more liberating decisions I made in my own life was three or four years ago when I decided to seperate drinking from doing stand up when I decided not to drink before or during sets and whether or not I drink afterwards on a case by case basis. I did this after reading an interview with Billy Connelly in the book Satiristas in which he said that his friend, the guitarist Paco Pena likes to take two shots of whiskey before going on stage to "take the edge off" but Connelly had this great line about how he wants that edge when performing. And it definately makes nerve racking things (like going on a first date, or having sex with a new partner for the first time) that much better knowing you were able to get through it without chemical assistance.
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Post by tigermaskxxxvii on Oct 23, 2014 17:58:34 GMT -5
I have straight edge friends who go as far to say caffeine is breaking edge. So yeah, it's subjective. Too subjective. That reminds me of this interview with Ian Mackaye (frontman for Minor Threat/Fugazi/The Evens and wrote the song "Straight Edge" that gave the subculture its name) where someone gave him shit for drinking unsweetened ice tea: About 2 minutes into the clip. Language warning.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2014 18:07:20 GMT -5
Exactly - when people can't comprehend that someone else could possibly "cut loose" or "go wild" in a way that's different than how they do it - that's just silly. Random dude who ONLY sees drinking as a way to have fun: "You don't drink AT ALL!?!?!? How do you relax and have a good time? You must just be boring and not enjoy life at all!" Most reasonable people (whether they drink or not): "I've got lots of hobbies, friends and creative outlets that I indulge in that fill my time and are a lot of fun." Dude from before: "Pfft. Yeah, but if you don't have a drink how can you enjoy it?!?" --- The crazy thing to me is there are people out there who can't even concieve of relaxing, having fun, going on a first date, or even having sex with someone for the first time without having a few drinks first. That's obviously the exception and not the rule for people who drink but I have met those people - many times - and they've spent a lot of time that I'll never get back trying to convince me to drink. I can't stand how some people can't comprehend that others can cut loose in ways different than their own. I've probably mentioned this is in other threads, but one of my biggest pet peeves about weddings and other family functions where there's dancing and people try to get me on the dance floor by saying to me and my fellow wallflowers "Come on, have some fun! Live a little!". But what they don't understand is that we are having fun. We're laughing, we're drinking and joking around. Just because we're stationary while having fun doesn't mean we're having any less fun. I've seen that happen quite a bit. Its dumb on two levels because A) It presupposes that the person isn't having fun already and that this other person's idea of fun (dancing) is obviously superior to whatever it is you're already doing and enjoying before hand. or B) If the person isn't a good dancer the LAST thing they'd want is to be publicly goaded into dancing in front of a crowd. Its pretty much lose-lose no matter how you shake it. The only way it actually makes sense if the person really thinks you didn't realize dancing was an option. "Hey, come on and dance.!" "WHAT WE CAN DANCE!?!?!? WHY DIDNT ANYONE TELL ME SOOOONER!?!?!?!?!" Which never f***ing happens. --- There's just some personality types out there who really think they're the Patron Saint of Fun wherever they go. If people aren't having fun like they are - then it either disturbs their fun for some reason or makes them think anyone who isn't having fun like they do is boring/repressed/uptight/etc. Which is ironic when you think about it - because who is more uptight? The person minding their own business and enjoying themselves or the person haranguing and judging others?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2014 18:24:35 GMT -5
I can't stand how some people can't comprehend that others can cut loose in ways different than their own. I've probably mentioned this is in other threads, but one of my biggest pet peeves about weddings and other family functions where there's dancing and people try to get me on the dance floor by saying to me and my fellow wallflowers "Come on, have some fun! Live a little!". But what they don't understand is that we are having fun. We're laughing, we're drinking and joking around. Just because we're stationary while having fun doesn't mean we're having any less fun. I've seen that happen quite a bit. Its dumb on two levels because A) It presupposes that the person isn't having fun already and that this other person's idea of fun (dancing) is obviously superior to whatever it is you're already doing and enjoying before hand. or B) If the person isn't a good dancer the LAST thing they'd want is to be publicly goaded into dancing in front of a crowd. Its pretty much lose-lose no matter how you shake it. The only way it actually makes sense if the person really thinks you didn't realize dancing was an option. "Hey, come on and dance.!" "WHAT WE CAN DANCE!?!?!? WHY DIDNT ANYONE TELL ME SOOOONER!?!?!?!?!" Which never f***ing happens. --- There's just some personality types out there who really think they're the Patron Saint of Fun wherever they go. If people aren't having fun like they are - then it either disturbs their fun for some reason or makes them think anyone who isn't having fun like they do is boring/repressed/uptight/etc. Which is ironic when you think about it - because who is more uptight? The person minding their own business and enjoying themselves or the person haranguing and judging others? Haha, we're kinda starting to sound like the guys who were pantsed and stuffed in lockers at school, but what you're describing is such an immature high school attitude of people. Basically, "Hey quit acting like a loser and come be cool like me! What I'm doing is THE way to have fun, and if you abstain you're either a timid loser or a prude who is allergic to having a good time! Hey everyone, laugh at this introverted loser who is scared to relax and have some fun!" People have been surprised that I can be a fun person to talk to and hang out with because their first contact with me was in some social setting where I tend to be more of a wallflower. I always think it's such a shame that they would make assumptions about me because I do not "party", but I guess it's just the penalty for being different.
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Post by Woo on Oct 23, 2014 18:38:31 GMT -5
I always found it odd that CM Punk advertises Pepsi. Because that's healthy...
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Post by tigermaskxxxvii on Oct 23, 2014 18:53:51 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure Stu Hart is as basically as straight laced as they come. Which really makes me wish he lived long enough to have met CM Punk just so there could be a photo of the two of them doing the arms crossed in the straight edge "X" pose.
I kind of wish a wrestler who makes being straight edge part of their gimmick would do the Razor's Edge as their finisher but call it the Straight Edge. Which would be a nice little twist seeing as how Razor Ramon was basically a take off on Tony Montana.
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