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Post by Adam Black on Oct 23, 2014 22:07:05 GMT -5
Aside from the obvious Hogan/Rocky/Austin/Taker
I also hear a lot about Cena, CM Punk and Orton from non wrestling fans.
Also Bret and HBK famous to non wrestling fans??? AAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Post by angryfan on Oct 24, 2014 4:37:31 GMT -5
The Cena hate here is crazy. People try to dismiss anything he does as not being good enough. I know, right? Dude is the most requested person for Make A Wish. I think it's safe to say that his name is out there. Here's the thing though, his name is out there, and he IS popular in a mainstream sense, but not to the level that WWE sells it. Hogan or Andre, people will know in an instant. They don't have to have ever watched wrestling, and they'll know who those two are. Austin and Rock are slightly below that level, but you'll still get non-fans going, "I know those guys". Cena is below that. It's not saying he's some unknown who doesn't matter, or attempting to downgrade that he does have name value, but it's a bit of perspective. I get WWE's point, they live and die with hyperbole. Everything that is "now" is the greatest and most important thing in the history of ever, and if something goes away it must be brushed aside or one-upped until it comes back to the forefront. Cena is famous. Batista is becoming famous to non-fans (my brother in law hates wrestling, but has been looking up Batista stuff ever since GotG hit, which he fell in love with), and while the two levels of "fame" are different, they're definitely a more narrow level of fame than the first two names I mentioned. I don't speak for everyone, I can't possibly do that, but in my mind the reason for my responses in threads like this is because when I see obvious hyperbole from WWE that almost attempts to devalue their history for the sake of their present it confuses me.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2014 7:33:43 GMT -5
I think it depends on where you live.
Plenty have heard of him, but plenty haven't too.
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Post by kingofthings on Oct 24, 2014 7:35:10 GMT -5
From a UK perspective? Absolutely not.
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Post by The Ichi on Oct 24, 2014 8:00:23 GMT -5
I think the only guy on the roster more famous than him is Taker, and that's just out of how long he's been around.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2014 13:56:05 GMT -5
Most people I know that don't watch wrestling know who John Cena, CM Punk, Brock Lesnar and Daniel Bryan are.
Yeah, it's safe to say he's famous.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Oct 24, 2014 14:07:36 GMT -5
well lets just see how he does in front of an audience of non-wrestling fans. here is his unannounced cameo on SNL:
that sure was a monster pop he got
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Post by Gremlin on Oct 24, 2014 18:15:57 GMT -5
I know, right? Dude is the most requested person for Make A Wish. I think it's safe to say that his name is out there. ... the reason for my responses in threads like this is because when I see obvious hyperbole from WWE that almost attempts to devalue their history for the sake of their present it confuses me. I call that The Schiavone Conundrum. How can every night possibly be the greatest night in the history of our sport? Isn't that selling your history kind of short?
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Post by Mid-Carder on Oct 24, 2014 18:23:09 GMT -5
No way. Cena is a certifiable legend in the business already, but he came up in a time just as wrestling was falling out of favor with a lot of people and he's peaked at a time when the business is basically known more for the company than its stars. Unlike during the Attitude Era or RockNWrestling when the stars WERE the company. In like....8-15 years I'd say he'll be more known as the largest part of his fanbase grows up and remembers their "golden age" of wrestling, but generally amongst people I've talked to they have zero clue who he is. Its always Hogan, Rock, Austin...maybe Undertaker too. Some older fans will drop names like Sgt Slaugther and the Iron Sheik. Its not blind Cena hate, just a product of wrestling not being as popular or novel as it once was when it first made it onto TV. But isn't that the point? Older fans will know Sgt Slaughter because they were wrestling fans, just like people now will know Cena because they're wrestling fans. You can't tell me Slaughter or Sheik had any kind of mainstream success compared to Cena
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2014 18:28:39 GMT -5
No way. Cena is a certifiable legend in the business already, but he came up in a time just as wrestling was falling out of favor with a lot of people and he's peaked at a time when the business is basically known more for the company than its stars. Unlike during the Attitude Era or RockNWrestling when the stars WERE the company. In like....8-15 years I'd say he'll be more known as the largest part of his fanbase grows up and remembers their "golden age" of wrestling, but generally amongst people I've talked to they have zero clue who he is. Its always Hogan, Rock, Austin...maybe Undertaker too. Some older fans will drop names like Sgt Slaugther and the Iron Sheik. Its not blind Cena hate, just a product of wrestling not being as popular or novel as it once was when it first made it onto TV. But isn't that the point? Older fans will know Sgt Slaughter because they were wrestling fans, just like people now will know Cena because they're wrestling fans. You can't tell me Slaughter or Sheik had any kind of mainstream success compared to Cena Well....Sheiky baby got internet famous afterwards by being a big joke on himself so that helped, but even he's not really famous. Even Slaugther I wouldn't say was famous, just remembered amongst wrestling fans. The question was "Is Cena famous amongst non-wrestling fans?" and none of those guys really are. So I'm not saying Slaughter/Sheik are more/less famous than Cena, just that they're all NOT famous amongst non-wrestling fans. Its all about crossing over. Rock/Austin/Hogan - guys like that all crossed over where even if you actively avoided wrestling stuff, you'd see them somewhere. Its pretty easy to miss Cena if you're not a WWE fan right now. Maybe after the Apatow flick it'll be different, but once you get out side of the WWE/wrestling bubble guys at Cena's level aren't even noticed.
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Post by Super Nintenjoe KBD on Oct 24, 2014 19:49:58 GMT -5
Where I come from absolutley not.
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Post by Boo! on Oct 24, 2014 19:51:56 GMT -5
Hulk Hogan always will be the most famous wrestler, for a start he's called 'Hulk' and looks like a cartoon character. The Rock may be the more famous performer but a lot of people will have that association without really knowing he's a wrestler and a lot, if not most, probably know him by his real non-stage name now anyway.
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Post by The Trashman on Oct 24, 2014 19:57:37 GMT -5
No way. Cena is a certifiable legend in the business already, but he came up in a time just as wrestling was falling out of favor with a lot of people and he's peaked at a time when the business is basically known more for the company than its stars. Unlike during the Attitude Era or RockNWrestling when the stars WERE the company. In like....8-15 years I'd say he'll be more known as the largest part of his fanbase grows up and remembers their "golden age" of wrestling, but generally amongst people I've talked to they have zero clue who he is. Its always Hogan, Rock, Austin...maybe Undertaker too. Some older fans will drop names like Sgt Slaugther and the Iron Sheik. Its not blind Cena hate, just a product of wrestling not being as popular or novel as it once was when it first made it onto TV. But isn't that the point? Older fans will know Sgt Slaughter because they were wrestling fans, just like people now will know Cena because they're wrestling fans. You can't tell me Slaughter or Sheik had any kind of mainstream success compared to Cena www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RMgyklSi6c
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Post by paulbearer on Oct 24, 2014 21:43:41 GMT -5
"Every child under the age of 15 knows him about as well as they know Super Mario or Spongebob"
Most kids in Europe/Africa/Asia has no idea who Cena is. He's prolly not that famous in U.K either even though it's among WWEs biggest markets outside US. Go to eastern Europe (Poland , Romania , Ukraine) and people be like "who ??"
Ask the average person in Norway and they'd know who Hogan is (this also has to do with Rocky III , not just wrestling) or possibly The Rock.....most people would not know UW , Jake the Snake , Andre , Flair etc.
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Post by g1megatronfan on Oct 24, 2014 22:47:48 GMT -5
No.
Unless they have kids who are fans.
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Post by deancubed on Oct 26, 2014 22:48:56 GMT -5
Isn't a connection to the punk scene by definition the opposite of mainstream? I see where you're coming from, but I'd argue that in today's fractured society fame comes from being known to multiple different groups until it builds to a sort of general cultural recognition. Like how people are saying Cena's well known because, outside of wrestling fans, he also inhabits the circles of NASCAR, rap, bodybuilding, and kid's shows. CM Punk's connection's to the music world and internet culture contribute to something similar. I would agree with this except that Jericho destroys Punk when it comes to these exact same things, including real music industry credibility, and the same Chris Hardwick affiliation.
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