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Post by Andrew is Good on Oct 28, 2014 18:08:58 GMT -5
To be fair, she wasn't really being harassed, those people are just for ethics in video game journalism.
One issue I see people bring up is the idea of people saying "hello" or "good morning" and like, sometimes if you're just busy walking or doing something, you don't really want to be bothered. Why should one be bothered if say, you don't know the person.
And let's say it is with the best of intentions. To those people with the best of intentions, it's important to realize that a lot of women will end up getting harassed pretty badly on a regularly basis, so it would be right for them to assume that you would be doing the same thing, even though you have the best of intentions.
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Post by Sephiroth on Oct 28, 2014 18:15:22 GMT -5
In summary: don't speak unless spoken to. Learn to keep your eyes in your head.
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Post by Next Level was WRONG on Oct 28, 2014 18:15:47 GMT -5
4 people did that. 4 people does not count as most. And they should shut the f*** up anyway. Actually it's 4 people shown doing that. If the point of the video was to donate to a cause about ending street harrassment, I'm sure she included the sleaziest of the lot. It wouldn't be too much to assume that the rest of the 108 catcalls were the usual boring "hellos" and "good mornings". The discussion was specifically about whats in the video. Doesn't matter whats not been shown. (Nice obnoxious use of italics there, anyway.) Its also not that much too assume that the rest were also sleazy as hell. Its why we're only going by what's actually on video instead of just making shit up. Are people not allowed to say hello to attractive women or something? I say hello to pretty girls a lot, but I don't see how that can be considered cat calling or harassment. I don't understand how we are supposed to gauge these greeting by any sort of motivation anyway. There's really no way to tell any of that. But I get that lots of people did say incredibly inappropriate things to the girl. That's unfortunate, I just think when we start counting things like, "How are you today?" Or "have a good evening." It's unnecessary. Are you saying hello because you say hello to everyone or are you saying hello because "girl pretty me be nice now"? If its the latter, yeah, just stop.
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Post by WWEedy on Oct 28, 2014 18:15:58 GMT -5
Yaaawwn.... This. "Have a nice evening" "Hello" "Good morning" All this harrassment. It's awful This. Some of those are sleazy, some are creepy as f*** (the guy following her for five minutes [!] as she walks) but stuff like "have a good night", "how're you doing?"...I got that in NYC, and most big cities. And most importantly this. Ehh most of that wasn't harassment. There's nothing wrong with seeing someone on the street and saying have a good night or good morning. I get spoken to all the time in the streets, hello, good mornings, have a nice days, and all the other normal everyday greetings from BOTH genders. From people in all walks in life. Now some of that, yeah it's creepy bullshit, there's lots of creepy bullshit going on in the world every day. That's not saying it's right but there IS much much worse social injustices happening on those New York streets every single day of the calender. Now can we stop this crap and put this social justice bullshit to bed please?
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Post by King Boo on Oct 28, 2014 18:16:34 GMT -5
I think something is missing in this - it's not the words, it's the motivation behind saying them. It wasn't just to be friendly, otherwise they'd be saying it to everyone they saw. They're saying it specifically to her because she's a woman/they find her attractive/etc. You can tell the difference between someone being friendly and someone saying it because they think you're good looking. Now, is saying things like "have a good evening" (which, what? you close a conversation with that, not say it randomly to someone on the street) alarming in the sense of "This person is definitely going to leap out and rape me?" No, it's not. But she knows why he said it, HE knows why he said it, and that can make it uncomfortable for someone. Some of the other people...yowza. *THEY* were creepy and/or somewhat aggressive. Are people not allowed to say hello to attractive women or something? I say hello to pretty girls a lot, but I don't see how that can be considered cat calling or harassment. I don't understand how we are supposed to gauge these greeting by any sort of motivation anyway. There's really no way to tell any of that. But I get that lots of people did say incredibly inappropriate things to the girl. That's unfortunate, I just think when we start counting things like, "How are you today?" Or "have a good evening." It's unnecessary. You're misunderstanding what I said. I'm all for people being nice and greeting each other. Hell, I do it all the time. I'm big on hellos, smiles and waves. But I do it to whomever - not just the people I find attractive. I'd wager that the majority of these people are only doing it to her because they think she's pretty. You can see they're not greeting anyone else on the street, just her. I didn't say it was something to cower and hide from - I find it mainly eye roll worthy, myself - but everyone involved knows why the greeting is happening. Especially when it comes out like "hey beautiful." You're going to tell me the motivation isn't specifically because of how the person looks? Now, take how it may make a woman feel hearing it and multiply it by 100. Do you not see how it may start to feel like a nuisance? Again, not necessarily a dangerous one, but a still a nuisance? If you look at it specifically in semantics, yea it's nice. But other things considered, it isn't always just someone being nice.
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Post by Square on Oct 28, 2014 18:21:18 GMT -5
Its normal in England to say hello to strangers when you pass them on the street....wait a second that old man today that said "terrible weather" was HARASSING ME. CALL THE HARASSMENT POLICE. SAVE ME WHITE KNIGHTS SAVE ME!
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Post by Next Level was WRONG on Oct 28, 2014 18:21:55 GMT -5
I get spoken to all the time in the streets, hello, good mornings, have a nice days, and all the other normal everyday greetings from BOTH genders. From people in all walks in life. Now some of that, yeah it's creepy bullshit, there's lots of creepy bullshit going on in the world every day. That's not saying it's right but there IS much much worse social injustices happening on those New York streets every single day of the calender. Now can we stop this crap and put this social justice bullshit to bed please? ... no. Why do you not want to stop creepy bullshit? Just because there's worse doesn't mean its fine.
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Post by Sparkybob on Oct 28, 2014 18:21:56 GMT -5
I wonder how many of them were homeless people looking for money or political field workers or just people selling stuff on the street. Those are quite prevalent in NYC and I know as I use to be a field worker for a campaign, you approach strangers on the street a lot.
I'm not saying it's ok to bother a person when they don't want to be bother, but it's fair to speculate some of their numbers might have been from business looking for money and not just hitting on her. Of course there are sleazeballs in the video like the guy following her for 4 minutes.
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Post by Just call me D.j.m. on Oct 28, 2014 18:23:53 GMT -5
Are people in this thread really cherry-picking the few seemingly innocuous gestures to try and remove the point the woman that made this video is trying to make?
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Post by Dat Dude on Oct 28, 2014 18:24:48 GMT -5
Random Thought: I wonder what it would be like as a man if a bunch a random women started cat-calling me on the streets? To be honest, I guess I'd feel flattered. But I'm pretty sure there is a deeper pretense with women in that situation that would make them not feel flattered *shrugs*
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Post by DSR on Oct 28, 2014 18:26:04 GMT -5
With your help, maybe someday we can stop all men from talking to or looking at women. Please donate now. No no, I get it. Guys who make women feel uncomfortable with their comments or whistles or what-have-you should really stop being creeps. I just don't understand what making donations really goes towards in this instance. I will admit that my joke was kinda stupid, and for that, I apologize.
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Oct 28, 2014 18:26:22 GMT -5
Are people not allowed to say hello to attractive women or something? I say hello to pretty girls a lot, but I don't see how that can be considered cat calling or harassment. I don't understand how we are supposed to gauge these greeting by any sort of motivation anyway. There's really no way to tell any of that. But I get that lots of people did say incredibly inappropriate things to the girl. That's unfortunate, I just think when we start counting things like, "How are you today?" Or "have a good evening." It's unnecessary. You're misunderstanding what I said. I'm all for people being nice and greeting each other. Hell, I do it all the time. I'm big on hellos, smiles and waves. But I do it to whomever - not just the people I find attractive. I'd wager that the majority of these people are only doing it to her because they think she's pretty. You can see they're not greeting anyone else on the street, just her. I didn't say it was something to cower and hide from - I find it mainly eye roll worthy, myself - but everyone involved knows why the greeting is happening. Especially when it comes out like "hey beautiful." You're going to tell me the motivation isn't specifically because of how the person looks? Now, take how it may make a woman feel hearing it and multiply it by 100. Do you not see how it may start to feel like a nuisance? Again, not necessarily a dangerous one, but a still a nuisance? If you look at it specifically in semantics, yea it's nice. But other things considered, it isn't always just someone being nice.I get that as long as you get that it isn't always someone trying to specifically harass a person either. How do we differentiate the two? Well, the only real way is if nobody ever said anything to each other. I know that a lot of women get harassed quite a bit. Maybe I'm just not familiar with it as much because where I'm from I don't see it nearly as much I guess that's my bad then. Sometimes I just like to say hi to people. Sometimes I like to say hi to a pretty girl and it''s nice if she says hi back to me. If there's some form of underlying harassment there, just know that is not my intention. Overall, I'm sorry that so many women are harassed so badly that we even need to argue about this.
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Post by Next Level was WRONG on Oct 28, 2014 18:27:10 GMT -5
Its normal in England to say hello to strangers when you pass them on the street....wait a second that old man today that said "terrible weather" was HARASSING ME. CALL THE HARASSMENT POLICE. SAVE ME WHITE KNIGHTS SAVE ME! Someone wants to talk to me, I have every right to tell them to shove their weather opinions up their dickhole. Its not up to you determine what people feel comfortable with from people on the street and what they don't.
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Post by Sparkybob on Oct 28, 2014 18:27:20 GMT -5
Are people in this thread really cherry-picking the few seemingly innocuous gestures to try and remove the point the woman that made this video is trying to make? I think I can speak for everybody and say there were certainly creeps like the guy following her and that's not cool at all and should be stopped. But some of them might have been stretching the point a bit to get this video more attention and more importantly, plug this charity and get more money for it. I just think it's a dumb charity and not sure how they deserve people's hard earning money over other causes that can provide immediate help.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Oct 28, 2014 18:30:44 GMT -5
Cool it now or take some time away. Not putting up with it at all.
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Post by Unaffiliated on Oct 28, 2014 18:31:03 GMT -5
Are people in this thread really cherry-picking the few seemingly innocuous gestures to try and remove the point the woman that made this video is trying to make? Still kind of relevant though. She would have made her point better without those seemingly innocuous gestures. Instead, she includes them and counts them as some of 108 instances of harrassments, thus creating some doubt as to how much she is really being harrassed. In other words, she should have focused on "look at how badly some people harrass me" rather than "look at how many people harrass me". Again, I should re-iterate that I am not saying the harrassment is no big deal. I would be all for ending all that creepy stuff, if there was some feasible way to actually enforce it.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Oct 28, 2014 18:32:46 GMT -5
Jessica "Best correspondent on The Daily Show" Williams did this for a segment.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Oct 28, 2014 18:33:22 GMT -5
Its normal in England to say hello to strangers when you pass them on the street....wait a second that old man today that said "terrible weather" was HARASSING ME. CALL THE HARASSMENT POLICE. SAVE ME WHITE KNIGHTS SAVE ME! I hate the "white knighting" insult, though it can be kinda funny when someone uses it. It's always used when talking about men defending a women, and it's always brought up like, you know you're not going to get any from that women, so why bother. It almost assumes that the only reason I, or any other man would defend a woman is to get some action. What's funny about it though is that insult might actually work on the people who use it as one, as those people likely do see women as just things to have sex with, so they would defend a woman just to have sex. Basically what I'm saying is, probably not the best to use the "white knight" insult, because it really looks bad. When it's used, it's because the person who uses it thinks I view women the same way that person views women, so it totally makes sense in that light.
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Post by bluemeii on Oct 28, 2014 18:34:04 GMT -5
Its normal in England to say hello to strangers when you pass them on the street....wait a second that old man today that said "terrible weather" was HARASSING ME. CALL THE HARASSMENT POLICE. SAVE ME WHITE KNIGHTS SAVE ME! Someone wants to talk to me, I have every right to tell them to shove their weather opinions up their dickhole. Its not up to you determine what people feel comfortable with from people on the street and what they don't. You know what you are exactly right. You can tell them to stick it wherever you want. Just like they have a right to say good morning to you. And if you don't like that tough shit. Works both ways.
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Post by chazraps on Oct 28, 2014 18:38:50 GMT -5
There is A LOT wrong with a total stranger saying "Hi Beautiful." You don't just approach someone in a public place when they're clearly on their way to do something and draw attention to both them and yourself. If you want to be friendly, look someone in the eye and smile. If they want to reciprocate the gesture and/or expand communication, they will. It's up to them. Otherwise, they don't owe you anything, and to aggravate further is intrusive and, therefore, harassment.
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