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Post by Chainsaw on Oct 29, 2014 15:11:46 GMT -5
411mania.com/wrestling/has-wwe-come-to-agreement-with-cm-punk-on-merchandise/ I would take this with a grain of salt, because I checked the Shopzone, and it only has a Punk pendant and the women's Small version of his BITW shirt, both at a discount. I think the women's shirt wasn't up there in the great firesale. So, we'll see if the veracity of this holds. My guess is...it's bullshit.
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Post by BigJerichool222 on Oct 29, 2014 15:18:14 GMT -5
Isn't Punk's hoodie blank because much like Batista, it was covered in Gracie logos?
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Post by Mayonnaise on Oct 29, 2014 15:18:27 GMT -5
PWInsider had a bit on this, basically they had to come to a deal to clear out their merchandise (they started with 12 different items and what you see now is all that is left) and still had to finalize a deal for WWE2K15 since they had no rights to anything Punk related for the game.
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Post by saintpat on Oct 29, 2014 15:26:12 GMT -5
Funny how Punk marks have completely glossed over reports that he was upset over pay -- specifically how it was going to be calculated with the Network cutting into his PPV percentage -- and instead glom onto this "he walked out in protest of booking'" (this somehow stretching into it being a protest over the idea of Batista leapfrogging Daniel Bryan going into WM ... making Punk a selfless martyr who was only interested in DB's well-being).
Coupled with this flap over merch royalties, the questions over his PPV cuts make it clear that Punk ... was all about the mon-ay.
Not that there's anything wrong with that, but c'mon, he's just another guy trying to make a buck like everyone else.
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Post by TheSchattenjager on Oct 29, 2014 15:34:45 GMT -5
Funny how Punk marks have completely glossed over reports that he was upset over pay -- specifically how it was going to be calculated with the Network cutting into his PPV percentage -- and instead glom onto this "he walked out in protest of booking'" (this somehow stretching into it being a protest over the idea of Batista leapfrogging Daniel Bryan going into WM ... making Punk a selfless martyr who was only interested in DB's well-being). Coupled with this flap over merch royalties, the questions over his PPV cuts make it clear that Punk ... was all about the mon-ay. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but c'mon, he's just another guy trying to make a buck like everyone else. Uh, yeah, I mean. It's a job. What else would wrestling be about than money? No one wants to work for free. Of course it's about money, everything is. Nothing wrong with that, Punk is human.
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Post by xCompackx on Oct 29, 2014 15:36:07 GMT -5
PWInsider had a bit on this, basically they had to come to a deal to clear out their merchandise (they started with 12 different items and what you see now is all that is left) and still had to finalize a deal for WWE2K15 since they had no rights to anything Punk related for the game. They might've had the idea for that 2K Showcase before Punk left, but it's still kinda ballsy to include someone they didn't have the rights over and didn't even finalize a deal for beforehand.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Oct 29, 2014 15:38:33 GMT -5
Isn't Punk's hoodie blank because much like Batista, it was covered in Gracie logos? Indeed.
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Post by audiencewatching on Oct 29, 2014 15:39:49 GMT -5
Resolved or not, they wouldn't want the crowd wearing his merch at tapings so I can't see them really selling his merch again
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Post by Mayonnaise on Oct 29, 2014 15:40:34 GMT -5
Funny how Punk marks have completely glossed over reports that he was upset over pay -- specifically how it was going to be calculated with the Network cutting into his PPV percentage -- and instead glom onto this "he walked out in protest of booking'" (this somehow stretching into it being a protest over the idea of Batista leapfrogging Daniel Bryan going into WM ... making Punk a selfless martyr who was only interested in DB's well-being). Coupled with this flap over merch royalties, the questions over his PPV cuts make it clear that Punk ... was all about the mon-ay. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but c'mon, he's just another guy trying to make a buck like everyone else. There was also the burnout, injuries and unhappiness with his booking but yeah that was a part of it. Never really ignored or worth taking a shot at a fandom IMO but what do I know?
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Post by saintpat on Oct 29, 2014 15:52:02 GMT -5
Funny how Punk marks have completely glossed over reports that he was upset over pay -- specifically how it was going to be calculated with the Network cutting into his PPV percentage -- and instead glom onto this "he walked out in protest of booking'" (this somehow stretching into it being a protest over the idea of Batista leapfrogging Daniel Bryan going into WM ... making Punk a selfless martyr who was only interested in DB's well-being). Coupled with this flap over merch royalties, the questions over his PPV cuts make it clear that Punk ... was all about the mon-ay. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but c'mon, he's just another guy trying to make a buck like everyone else. There was also the burnout, injuries and unhappiness with his booking but yeah that was a part of it. Never really ignored or worth taking a shot at a fandom IMO but what do I know? I've seen hundreds of "Punk quit over booking" posts (along with countless "Punk was right to quit over booking" posts) and precious few, if any, recognizing that money was a major part of it. Burnout/injuries, I'll grant you that many Punk marks have acknowledged that, but most of the "unhappiness" posts have been in relation to booking ... when in reality it's clear a major part of his unhappiness had to do with money. And I did make it clear that I think there's nothing wrong with a guy trying to make a buck. Just don't build statues to him because of it. I gather he cares less than two sh!ts about how others (Bryan in particular) were booked and that his own issues with booking came back to his place on the card, main eventing WM, etc., and that those issues related directly to his paycheck.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2014 20:06:47 GMT -5
Funny how Punk marks have completely glossed over reports that he was upset over pay -- specifically how it was going to be calculated with the Network cutting into his PPV percentage -- and instead glom onto this "he walked out in protest of booking'" (this somehow stretching into it being a protest over the idea of Batista leapfrogging Daniel Bryan going into WM ... making Punk a selfless martyr who was only interested in DB's well-being). Coupled with this flap over merch royalties, the questions over his PPV cuts make it clear that Punk ... was all about the mon-ay. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but c'mon, he's just another guy trying to make a buck like everyone else. It's really hard to continue working a job you're close or completely burned out when you're about to take a serious paycut. Especially harder when you have enough money to retire and that one thing on your wrestling bucketlist isn't going to be accomplished anytime soon so whats the point? I also think it's a good idea to walk away from a job where there is real danger involved if you're completely burnt out.
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Post by BRV on Oct 29, 2014 20:26:10 GMT -5
I think money is the primary reason as to why we'll see CM Punk come back to WWE sometime in the future. It won't happen this month, it probably won't happen within a year, but at some point he'll realize that life as Phil Brooks isn't nearly as lucrative as life as CM Punk, and he'll come back.
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Post by whtbldclls on Oct 30, 2014 9:35:49 GMT -5
If it means bringing back some of his older shirts, then I'm all for it. Also, my Best In The World ringer shirt is starting to fall apart.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 10:07:03 GMT -5
There was also the burnout, injuries and unhappiness with his booking but yeah that was a part of it. Never really ignored or worth taking a shot at a fandom IMO but what do I know? I've seen hundreds of "Punk quit over booking" posts (along with countless "Punk was right to quit over booking" posts) and precious few, if any, recognizing that money was a major part of it. Burnout/injuries, I'll grant you that many Punk marks have acknowledged that, but most of the "unhappiness" posts have been in relation to booking ... when in reality it's clear a major part of his unhappiness had to do with money. And I did make it clear that I think there's nothing wrong with a guy trying to make a buck. Just don't build statues to him because of it. I gather he cares less than two sh!ts about how others (Bryan in particular) were booked and that his own issues with booking came back to his place on the card, main eventing WM, etc., and that those issues related directly to his paycheck. I think you've sort of answered your own question there, people mentioned Punk being unhappy about his spot whilst injured/burnt out whilst not getting what he considered his Wrestlemania main event along with the paycheque. So people suggesting Punk walked out for storyline reasons (whether we agree or disagree over whether he should have or shouldn't have) isn't too far off what you complained about initially in your first post. As you said, every wrestler should be fighting for higher paycheques, Punk's no better or worse than a Hogan, Nash, Davey Richards, or John Cena.
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Post by friendship frog on Oct 30, 2014 10:18:29 GMT -5
Isn't Punk's hoodie blank because much like Batista, it was covered in Gracie logos? Yeah it's more dirtsheets not knowing much and creating facts based on poorly researched speculation. They say his merchandise is "censored" yet ignore all of his t-shirts in the game.
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Post by BigWill on Oct 30, 2014 10:25:35 GMT -5
Funny how Punk marks have completely glossed over reports that he was upset over pay -- specifically how it was going to be calculated with the Network cutting into his PPV percentage -- and instead glom onto this "he walked out in protest of booking'" (this somehow stretching into it being a protest over the idea of Batista leapfrogging Daniel Bryan going into WM ... making Punk a selfless martyr who was only interested in DB's well-being). Coupled with this flap over merch royalties, the questions over his PPV cuts make it clear that Punk ... was all about the mon-ay. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but c'mon, he's just another guy trying to make a buck like everyone else. With me, I'd probably understand him leaving more if it was about the booking, rather than making more money.
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Post by saintpat on Oct 30, 2014 10:29:26 GMT -5
I've seen hundreds of "Punk quit over booking" posts (along with countless "Punk was right to quit over booking" posts) and precious few, if any, recognizing that money was a major part of it. Burnout/injuries, I'll grant you that many Punk marks have acknowledged that, but most of the "unhappiness" posts have been in relation to booking ... when in reality it's clear a major part of his unhappiness had to do with money. And I did make it clear that I think there's nothing wrong with a guy trying to make a buck. Just don't build statues to him because of it. I gather he cares less than two sh!ts about how others (Bryan in particular) were booked and that his own issues with booking came back to his place on the card, main eventing WM, etc., and that those issues related directly to his paycheck. I think you've sort of answered your own question there, people mentioned Punk being unhappy about his spot whilst injured/burnt out whilst not getting what he considered his Wrestlemania main event along with the paycheque. So people suggesting Punk walked out for storyline reasons (whether we agree or disagree over whether he should have or shouldn't have) isn't too far off what you complained about initially in your first post. As you said, every wrestler should be fighting for higher paycheques, Punk's no better or worse than a Hogan, Nash, Davey Richards, or John Cena. Except that he didn't "fight for his paycheck," he quit and ran out on a contract that he signed. Big difference. He agreed to terms when he signed and then left before the contract expired. Those guys didn't do that (not sure about Davey Richards, my understanding is that he just keeps getting run off because he's a complete tool).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 10:43:45 GMT -5
I think you've sort of answered your own question there, people mentioned Punk being unhappy about his spot whilst injured/burnt out whilst not getting what he considered his Wrestlemania main event along with the paycheque. So people suggesting Punk walked out for storyline reasons (whether we agree or disagree over whether he should have or shouldn't have) isn't too far off what you complained about initially in your first post. As you said, every wrestler should be fighting for higher paycheques, Punk's no better or worse than a Hogan, Nash, Davey Richards, or John Cena. Except that he didn't "fight for his paycheck," he quit and ran out on a contract that he signed. Big difference. He agreed to terms when he signed and then left before the contract expired. Those guys didn't do that (not sure about Davey Richards, my understanding is that he just keeps getting run off because he's a complete tool). I'm not sure which one of us said he was fighting for his paycheck in all honesty, my post didn't suggest that or say that, especially in a direct quote. I mean, you said it yourself, people said he left due to the writing, when the writing puts him in a higher spot on the card to give him more pay. He left when he realized he wasn't going to get that money/spot.
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Post by saintpat on Oct 30, 2014 10:56:19 GMT -5
Except that he didn't "fight for his paycheck," he quit and ran out on a contract that he signed. Big difference. He agreed to terms when he signed and then left before the contract expired. Those guys didn't do that (not sure about Davey Richards, my understanding is that he just keeps getting run off because he's a complete tool). I'm not sure which one of us said he was fighting for his paycheck in all honesty, my post didn't suggest that or say that, especially in a direct quote. I mean, you said it yourself, people said he left due to the writing, when the writing puts him in a higher spot on the card to give him more pay. He left when he realized he wasn't going to get that money/spot. Probably a lack of clarity on my part: 1) I have seen a lot of posts since Punk left suggesting that he left because he was upset over booking, that he was protesting guys like Batista and Rock returning to take top spots from people like himself and Bryan, who are more deserving -- and those posts never mention money. 2) Those posters (who by and large are big CM Punk fans) seem to suggest that it's some kind of moral high ground and that he shared their discontent at the product and couldn't abide WWE's booking -- that he was being some kind of martyr who was standing on principle against "bad booking" that was holding back "better wrestlers" 3) I'm saying he really quit more over money -- which makes him more like VKM and WWE in that he's more interested in lining his pockets than some high-minded ideal of how the product should be booked and presented 4) Furthermore, in response to your post, I'm saying he quit while those other people you mentioned (Hogan, etc.) fulfilled their contractual obligations while fighting for more money I hope that helps better explain my position(s).
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Post by Hawk Hart on Oct 30, 2014 11:05:58 GMT -5
How dare Punk want to avoid horrible booking after several years of giving WWE 100% at the tail end of his 10+ year career while managing to give management a heads up that he was leaving and why. And what kind of asshole expects the money he's owed that wasn't tied directly to performing?!
What people that aren't Punk fans seem to ignore is the reports that he, Vince, and Triple H had a talk before the "walk out" where he informed them of his intent and reasoning. If it was a real breach of contract situation, WWE would have immediately sicked McDevitt on Punk, they wouldn't be talking royalty fees.
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