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Post by Amazing Kitsune on Oct 31, 2014 23:01:55 GMT -5
One of the big plot points of Jericho's second book was that he had a strong personality when he came into the WWE that was off-putting to other people. He thought he was a big star, when he really wasn't and was so confident that he knew what he was doing that he came off as a big shot and didn't listen to other people. He has an ego.
It's not just limited to wresting. I think at one point in Undisputed, one of his more experienced Fozzy bandmates had to tell him that he didn't know as much about be a professional musician as he thought he did and that he should listen to other members of the band who have more experience.
Not to mention the other stories where he thinks that celebrities are being jerks because they don't fawn over him.
Jericho has a strong personality and a ton of self confidence. This has probably served him well. I think he's aware that it's problematic sometimes, but he can't/won't really change it.
Most wrestlers who are/were truly successful have similar mindsets.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Oct 31, 2014 23:06:28 GMT -5
I think Jericho is oblivious to how much these repeated comebacks have really sullied his reputation. Let's face it, for the most part his various runs from 2012 onward have been thoroughly mediocre and the 2012 hyped return was (to me) one of the worst segments in the history of Raw. If Jericho is full of himself, I think it is his thought that him simply showing up and jobbing to someone is reason for celebrating his opponent as a big deal. It's a curious contrast to another part timer, Rob Van Dam, who himself has been known to go on quite the ego trips. Remember his statements about he and Jeff Hardy being TNA's rock stars? However, since coming back to WWE RVD has been oddly low key about himself and where he fits into the WWE hierarchy. In fact his comments have been more like "Hey, glad to be back but I don't think these younger wrestlers need to wrestle me to be somebody." That is how WWE themselves view Jericho and RVD individually based on what they've done in the company. Jericho is the first Undisputed Champion and a multi time World Heavyweight Champion back when that sorta kinda meant something. And he has always been an on and off main event fixture during his full time run. So beating him SHOULD be a big deal and it should elevate a wrestler (provided the wrestler doesn't fall victim to shitty follow up). RVD, by comparison has not accomplished as much as Jericho. Outside of his single WWE and ECW title runs he's always been upper Midcard in WWE. Jericho's returns are generally made to be a bigger deal than RVD's. There's a reason why Jericho is asked to put the up and comer's over in actual feuds and PPV matches while RVD is asked to put them over in the random 15 minute time killer match in the middle of RAW.
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Post by sonofblaine on Oct 31, 2014 23:12:53 GMT -5
Master of the armbar.
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Post by Captain & Diet on Oct 31, 2014 23:17:00 GMT -5
I did have a bit of a "don't meet people you are fans of" moment with him that might have helped inspire this thread... I went to his last book signing in Tampa last weekend, which is where he lives. I stood in line watching him engage everyone, ask for people's names and personalize their autographs, etc. Well, his wife and kids showed up. They were standing right beside me and I blurted out "Is this Ash the fish expert?" Ash turned around and high fived me and Jericho said "it is and these are (whatever his daughter's names are) the literary experts! (To the kids) See how many fans you guys have!" Ok, so cool moment.. But, his wife then said they were going to eat. Jericho said he wanted to come and she said something along the lines of well you will be here a while. Jericho straight up said I will hurry it along just wait. Now, granted, his wife is a bad motha hush yo mouth in person, so I would probably do the same. But, he just rushed us completely through. He still looked up to pose for pics, but didn't ask my name or really engage much at all. That rubbed me a wrong way a bit. Just a smidge, it wasn't too blatant and I had the cool moment with his kids, but the people in front of me got a lot more. The guy in front of me asked of Jericho would sign ARMBAR and Jericho said no, but he signed Fozzy on my copy, which made me wonder why he couldn't at least make that change for a fan who waited to see him and paid money? Sorry for the long story! That was an interesting interaction you had. Here's only my "Devil's Advocate" thought: It's pretty damn cool that the guy would rather go have lunch with his family than sign autographs and feed his ego.
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Post by Grand Papillon "The Banker" on Oct 31, 2014 23:22:11 GMT -5
I would put Jericho alongside guys like Foley, Edge, and The Million Dollar Man. It's actually pretty awesome company (no Edge pun intended). No, he isn't Austin or the Rock or Hart or Flair or HBK, but if a young wrestler was guaranteed to have a career similar to Jericho or gamble for better, most would certainly "settle" for what Jericho accomplished.
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Post by abjordans on Oct 31, 2014 23:23:39 GMT -5
That was an interesting interaction you had. Here's only my "Devil's Advocate" thought: It's pretty damn cool that the guy would rather go have lunch with his family than sign autographs and feed his ego. I hear that, but it isn't my fault the guy has been on the road for however long with his band since being on the road and wrestling. I just paid 30 bucks for his book and waited an hour to meet him. Plus, he was 15 min late. They could go to lunch the next day or dinner that night.
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Post by adamclark52 on Oct 31, 2014 23:23:44 GMT -5
I'm a big Jericho fan and I consider him the reason I got "back in to wrestling" in 1998. But I have to agree with everything said here. His main event runs were okay but he really excelled as a upper-mid-carder.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2014 23:29:58 GMT -5
As one of the all-time greats, I put him very high. He's so good, at everything.
As far as importance/stardom, he's not in the tip top tier or anything. I don't take stuff like the George Harrison comment seriously, he crams so many references and analogies into his writing that I see something like that as a by-product of that style.
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Post by Raskovnik on Oct 31, 2014 23:50:38 GMT -5
I like the guy fine, but I think he got much farther than I would have pushed him and he comes across as loads more self-important than I think is warranted. His music sucks too.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Nov 1, 2014 0:19:49 GMT -5
I think Jericho is oblivious to how much these repeated comebacks have really sullied his reputation. Let's face it, for the most part his various runs from 2012 onward have been thoroughly mediocre and the 2012 hyped return was (to me) one of the worst segments in the history of Raw. If Jericho is full of himself, I think it is his thought that him simply showing up and jobbing to someone is reason for celebrating his opponent as a big deal. It's a curious contrast to another part timer, Rob Van Dam, who himself has been known to go on quite the ego trips. Remember his statements about he and Jeff Hardy being TNA's rock stars? However, since coming back to WWE RVD has been oddly low key about himself and where he fits into the WWE hierarchy. In fact his comments have been more like "Hey, glad to be back but I don't think these younger wrestlers need to wrestle me to be somebody." Which begs to question.. Who is the bigger star between Jericho and RVD? That's easily Jericho. RVD had a few years where he was pretty huge, but he hasn't had near the longevity of being a 'top guy' that Jericho had.
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Post by Old Jack Burton on Nov 1, 2014 2:35:28 GMT -5
To be very honest, I think people like Jeff Hardy or Road Dogg Jesse James are ahead of Jericho in terms of whatever this whole thing is about. Jericho has sort of made a career of not screwing up and being around when other more famous and perhaps more talented people have not.
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Post by jp49er80 on Nov 1, 2014 2:37:37 GMT -5
Yes he does.
But then I never liked him anyway.
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Post by Boo! on Nov 1, 2014 2:40:09 GMT -5
Jericho would be better suited to get a regular role with WWE and to have a constant presence either as a member of the 'Authority' or a hosting/announcing role, so then when he does step back into the ring occasionally it won't feel like such an over-done 'comeback' storyline.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2014 2:55:24 GMT -5
A lot of people seem to think Jericho is a way bigger star than he is. When he shows up outside of wrestling, I think most people just write him off as "some wrestling guy I don't know."
Chris Jericho is to the general public what Rob Van Dam or Tazz are to the general public.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2014 3:02:20 GMT -5
He's also one of the rudest wrestlers I've ever met.
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Post by benstudd on Nov 1, 2014 3:26:32 GMT -5
I think Jericho is oblivious to how much these repeated comebacks have really sullied his reputation. Let's face it, for the most part his various runs from 2012 onward have been thoroughly mediocre and the 2012 hyped return was (to me) one of the worst segments in the history of Raw. If Jericho is full of himself, I think it is his thought that him simply showing up and jobbing to someone is reason for celebrating his opponent as a big deal. It's a curious contrast to another part timer, Rob Van Dam, who himself has been known to go on quite the ego trips. Remember his statements about he and Jeff Hardy being TNA's rock stars? However, since coming back to WWE RVD has been oddly low key about himself and where he fits into the WWE hierarchy. In fact his comments have been more like "Hey, glad to be back but I don't think these younger wrestlers need to wrestle me to be somebody." That is how WWE themselves view Jericho and RVD individually based on what they've done in the company. Jericho is the first Undisputed Champion and a multi time World Heavyweight Champion back when that sorta kinda meant something. And he has always been an on and off main event fixture during his full time run. So beating him SHOULD be a big deal and it should elevate a wrestler (provided the wrestler doesn't fall victim to shitty follow up). RVD, by comparison has not accomplished as much as Jericho. Outside of his single WWE and ECW title runs he's always been upper Midcard in WWE. Jericho's returns are generally made to be a bigger deal than RVD's. There's a reason why Jericho is asked to put the up and comer's over in actual feuds and PPV matches while RVD is asked to put them over in the random 15 minute time killer match in the middle of RAW. But again him being The Undisputed Champ should have been a big deal but in the end it wasn't. That event in itself sort of represents Jericho and his whole career. When he won, he wasn't the biggest star of wrestling, he wasn't bigger than Rock or Austin but he defeated them cause I figure WWE thought it was an unpredictable thing, sort of like Swagger becoming World champ. That night, Chris defeated the bests and won the biggest prize in wrestling but he did not become the best. And will never be in these guys' league. Yet he probably thought of himself as such and it's the little guy complex in a way. But it fits his character as Jericho has always been a humorous character and when he had those belts, it was like this little kid that thought he was better than he really was. All in all, probably others would disagree with me but even though Chris had a great career, in the end, I think I would rate someone like Goldberg higher than Jericho by what he meant to the wrestling World. There's a lot of people Chris didn't consider when he placed himself in the George Harrison role. Cause I don't think he should be anywhere close to the word "Beatles". He was pretty good though, sometime damn good.
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Post by benstudd on Nov 1, 2014 3:33:21 GMT -5
I would put Jericho alongside guys like Foley, Edge, and The Million Dollar Man. It's actually pretty awesome company (no Edge pun intended). No, he isn't Austin or the Rock or Hart or Flair or HBK, but if a young wrestler was guaranteed to have a career similar to Jericho or gamble for better, most would certainly "settle" for what Jericho accomplished. He's nowhere near Ted or Foley in my opinion. Come on Foley revolutionized wrestling. The first Hell in the Cell match Immortalized him forever. Ted was the best heel of the 80s after Piper. Maybe he's with Edge but again, Edge had these classic TLC matches, Edge had this big vendetta against Cena, they were neck in neck. And he made the Money in the Bank thing famous. Probably the best heel of the 2 thousand generation.
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Post by Curt Hawkins Fan on Nov 1, 2014 4:06:39 GMT -5
I would put Jericho alongside guys like Foley, Edge, and The Million Dollar Man. It's actually pretty awesome company (no Edge pun intended). No, he isn't Austin or the Rock or Hart or Flair or HBK, but if a young wrestler was guaranteed to have a career similar to Jericho or gamble for better, most would certainly "settle" for what Jericho accomplished. He's nowhere near Ted or Foley in my opinion. Come on Foley revolutionized wrestling. The first Hell in the Cell match Immortalized him forever. Ted was the best heel of the 80s after Piper. Maybe he's with Edge but again, Edge had these classic TLC matches, Edge had this big vendetta against Cena, they were neck in neck. And he made the Money in the Bank thing famous. Probably the best heel of the 2 thousand generation. I'll argue even Edge was bigger Than Jericho near the end. Edge was seen as a legitimate threat in the ring to Taker and Batista and Cena. Jericho... Was never really a threat to anybody big. He played the role great but it always seemed Jericho was kinda a bitch to the higher ups. Edge also, like you said, was one of the best heels of the 2000s and that's because he would do ANYTHING. Jericho... Eh he was more comedy. Also hate to be a nitpick but Foleys cell match was the 2nd.
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Post by angryfan on Nov 1, 2014 4:06:54 GMT -5
Jericho is an odd case. He was a sometime star oft-supporting actor type in wrestling, which is pretty famous. He's had success with his band, his books have sold well, and his work in theater has had positive reviews. Its' like he's not some household name, but he's "known" in a lot of genres.
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Post by Burst on Nov 1, 2014 4:09:53 GMT -5
You could almost sort of put him on the level of a Christopher Walken or another similar character actor in the sense of someone who's reasonably well known and respected by his peers and has sort of always been there but has never really had a total headliner sort of role.
And I think the guy's ego is what's allowed him to do reasonably well crossing over to different genres even if he's not the top of the crop in any of them. Aside from people like the Rock you can't really name too many other wrestlers that have done even marginally well in other mediums.
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