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Post by Mayonnaise on Nov 21, 2014 15:50:38 GMT -5
I have a pretty decent Directv package and I don't have this channel. Any predictions of what the ratings will be for the debut episode? I am guessing a 0.4 I'm not 100% on how the rating points work with this move. Being in far less homes, I'm not sure that they could do 1/4 the viewership they did on Spike but have the same number since the number I believe is based on how many people available to you watched your show. Either way,math at number doesn't really matter as much as viewership which will be cut in half at best. They got 980k this week, they'll have no advertising going into the new channel that is in far less homes so I don't think 300k or worse is out of the question.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2014 15:54:15 GMT -5
I have a pretty decent Directv package and I don't have this channel. Any predictions of what the ratings will be for the debut episode? I am guessing a 0.4 The rating may not be too much lower than what they've been doing recently. I'm pretty sure that people who don't get the channel don't count against the rating. As for viewer numbers, I'm guessing somewhere in the 350k - 450k range.
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Post by MC Blowfish on Nov 21, 2014 17:10:57 GMT -5
I get why people are upset about the negativity with TNA, but this company has ruined one shot after the other. Some of us were big fans but were repeatedly let down.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2014 19:28:46 GMT -5
Also, when TNA starts airing on Destination America, they'll have a bigger list of "don'ts" than they did on Spike.
Yet, this is the same family of networks that, as of late, invested in pedophilia bait and programs featuring incompetent city slickers running around naked in a jungle.
Though, if they stick with respecting these restrictions, we might get more coherent programming and storytelling, a better emphasis on in-ring performance than wacky angles, and hopefully put Tommy Dreamer out to pasture. In other words, a better and more marketable show.
But, there is a high chance they'll do the same crud again to a smaller audience, which is why I'm so negative.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2014 19:39:31 GMT -5
I get why people are upset about the negativity with TNA, but this company has ruined one shot after the other. Some of us were big fans but were repeatedly let down. TNA is that junkie friend that keeps throwing away their life despite having brief periods where it looks like they got it together, at a certain point you just get tired of enabling them when it's pretty obvious that they have no intention of changing.
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Post by DASH 243✅ on Nov 21, 2014 21:54:29 GMT -5
I don't have this channel either I hope I can watch it on hulu
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Post by Dean-o on Nov 21, 2014 22:16:09 GMT -5
It really is quite sad to realize that the sport that has been such a huge part of my life and many others here is looked upon to be such trash to the television world. I mean, we all know just how much shit is on TV these days that gets huge mainstream ratings and attention, and yet pro wrestling shows are looked upon to be so low brow that advertising companies think it's not worth spending their money on their shows and networks don't want them on their programming. Imagine that! All the stupid brain-dead "reality" television shows out there, and yet that is more desirable then pro wrestling. No wonder the WWE has been pushing their new corporate image down our throats for the past couple of years. They are trying their best to fix that image, despite all the dumb segments they've presented to us that pass as comedy, or maybe worse, drama. It's so bad that they are afraid of losing sponsors so they won't take chances or risks anymore. The product has been the same for almost a decade now, when in the past it'll evolve every 4-5 years, sometimes not by choice. And yet, I've never met anybody who looked down on me for loving wrestling so much, male or female. I'm no fool. I know what the social ramifications have been historically for admitted you watch wrestling. But even taking off my rose-colored glasses, I'm amazed that wrestling is viewed to be below Honey Boo Boo and the like. Even factoring in post-Benoit, why is wrestling different than, say, Power Rangers, or Worlds Dumbest Criminals? It may be droll to a lot of folks but why does it have to be the bottom of the barrel? Is it because it's not legit? Everyone knows it isn't. Honestly I think it's more of that stigma that we are just a bunch of idiots who think it's real. Ask any non-wrestling fan and they'll just say "oh, that stuff is so fake" or "aren't they all on steroids?"
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Nov 21, 2014 22:17:36 GMT -5
I get why people are upset about the negativity with TNA, but this company has ruined one shot after the other. Some of us were big fans but were repeatedly let down. I felt let down too by some of TNA's decisions. But the thing is, that if you don't like the current TNA product and don't want to watch, no one is forcing you to watch. Wrestling is already a difficult enough industry to get into. And I know that not everyone is going to be "super OMG amazing", but at the same time, these are people's dream careers. I seriously want to weep for humanity to see that people would want someone's place of work to burn down in flames while they dance around it. To those saying that these workers need to "step their game up" so that they could work in a higher profile company or "get a real job", I'd like to hope that they could, but I also say that the wrestling world needs ditch diggers too. And i personally believe that every wrestler, or hell, every entertainer in general, should be able to ply their craft full time (even if just for minimum/living wage), even if they aren't the "best in the world".
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Post by ________ has left the building on Nov 21, 2014 22:45:46 GMT -5
I get why people are upset about the negativity with TNA, but this company has ruined one shot after the other. Some of us were big fans but were repeatedly let down. I felt let down too by some of TNA's decisions. But the thing is, that if you don't like the current TNA product and don't want to watch, no one is forcing you to watch. Wrestling is already a difficult enough industry to get into. And I know that not everyone is going to be "super OMG amazing", but at the same time, these are people's dream careers. I seriously want to weep for humanity to see that people would want someone's place of work to burn down in flames while they dance around it. To those saying that these workers need to "step their game up" so that they could work in a higher profile company or "get a real job", I'd like to hope that they could, but I also say that the wrestling world needs ditch diggers too. And i personally believe that every wrestler, or hell, every entertainer in general, should be able to ply their craft full time (even if just for minimum/living wage), even if they aren't the "best in the world". No one is going to still keep a mediocre ditch digger when a better one is out there. Pro wrestling isn't a charity. People who can't hang don't last long in that business. I can pull out a ROH or CZW dvd from 2004 and count on both hands wrestlers who are still active. It hurts TNA more for having subpar talent in the forefront. That builds a negative image and hurts recruiting efforts for better talent. You don't want to join a company when your co-workers are not good. Especially with pro wrestling being something you have to depend on the talents of those people to put money in your wallet.
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Post by chrom on Nov 22, 2014 16:12:57 GMT -5
I've read on some places that the people at the headquarters were celebrating and acting proud of signing with Destination America. Yeah, being a whale in a puddle is something to be proud of I guess. Reminds me of when they boasted of their rating after #****Happened which was a whooping two percent increase and lower than the average rating they had gotten all year.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Nov 22, 2014 16:56:32 GMT -5
I've read on some places that the people at the headquarters were celebrating and acting proud of signing with Destination America. Yeah, being a whale in a puddle is something to be proud of I guess. Reminds me of when they boasted of their rating after #****Happened which was a whooping two percent increase and lower than the average rating they had gotten all year. Look at it this way... if you were crossing the desert you'd love a drop of water.
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Post by Danimal on Nov 23, 2014 2:27:11 GMT -5
good luck to them. Great to see that they are moving to somewhere that might actually promote them. For a board of wrestling fans it's pretty sad to see so many people baying for the death any wrestling company, even if it has been less than a great show for a long time. Negativity breeds negativity, they have always seemed to just be on the cusp of something only for it not to work out. things they have done in order to make a statement have backfired - sure signing Hogan for a load of money at the expense of others may have turned out to be a bad move in the end, but Hogan was still hogan when they signed him. He was and still is the babe ruth of wrestling and if anything he screwed them over massively by never promoting TNA. The new monday night war was an incredibly ballsy move, they had nowhere near the star power that wcw did back in the day and they gave us all what we had been dreaming about for years - yes they booked it incredibly poorly, bizarrely so, so you could argue that they deserved to fail, but you have to appreciate that they gave it a shot. You could say that they treated guys like Aj and sorenson like crap, you would be right, but just because they did that, is it right that you wish death on them? The fact is that anyone that loves pro wrestling understands that the more territories there are, the better it is for the sport. The more places to learn, perform and make any sort of money, the better and this attitude of "just hurry up and die already TNA" honestly baffles me. Yes, the product has its issues and yes lol TNA but at the same time, they have some awesome hands working for them, its just that those hands suffer from a mixture of poor and unlucky management decisions. So is it right to wish these guys out of a job because their bosses, despite trying loads of things, just can't get it right? Is it right to ridicule the people who enjoy the TNA product, and support the workers there that have a lot of talent. EC3 was a FAN fav on here, even tweeted about us but yeah, he's in TNA now and I want his place of work to go under.... I am far from a TNA superfan, watched it on and off over the years, haven't watched it at all in a good few months. It has it's problems, if it was better I would watch it, but I am certainly glad that it still has the chance to be on TV and has the opportunity to get better so that I might possibly have more good wrestling to watch in the future. Anyway, lecture over, good luck to them and I hope that this is finally the change of fortunes that they have been looking for.Being the lead show on a channel will do it no harm as in my opinion the single biggest thing holding them back over the past few years has been advertising and getting their name out there. I'd say your avatar is totally reflective of what this forum has become, a less-amusing version of the old coots in the balcony on The Muppet Show.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Nov 23, 2014 3:11:21 GMT -5
I have a pretty decent Directv package and I don't have this channel. Any predictions of what the ratings will be for the debut episode? I am guessing a 0.4 With Dish it is in the next to highest package. If it wasn't for all the shows about Alaska I wouldn't have learned about it. Well that and Luke Hawx playing the Cajun Werewolf on some cryptid show.
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Post by SAJ Forth on Nov 23, 2014 13:22:32 GMT -5
Also, when TNA starts airing on Destination America, they'll have a bigger list of "don'ts" than they did on Spike. Yet, this is the same family of networks that, as of late, invested in pedophilia bait and programs featuring incompetent city slickers running around naked in a jungle. Though, if they stick with respecting these restrictions, we might get more coherent programming and storytelling, a better emphasis on in-ring performance than wacky angles, and hopefully put Tommy Dreamer out to pasture. In other words, a better and more marketable show. But, there is a high chance they'll do the same crud again to a smaller audience, which is why I'm so negative. "Ms. Carter, you can't do this". "Didn't you try a cross-dressing superhero"? "Nevermind". Back to topic, one positive is at least this network seems more likely to actually promote them rather than have cross-promotion that waters down everyone involved.
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Post by benstudd on Nov 23, 2014 15:36:55 GMT -5
And that's weird that advertisers are acting this way towards wrestling, I mean there's a proof that there's more trashy out there than wrestling. And with wrestling you get young men demo that seems to be a key demo in even the biggest networks. I mean it is sort of sport too and sport is huge all over. They are sort of super-heroes and capes are all the rages now, GOTG almost got as good numbers as Avengers. Plus wrestling has been on TV for decades, it's part of Americana. That advertisers don't want to be part of it doesn't make sense to me. I don't get why they are acting this way. It really is quite sad to realize that the sport that has been such a huge part of my life and many others here is looked upon to be such trash to the television world. I mean, we all know just how much shit is on TV these days that gets huge mainstream ratings and attention, and yet pro wrestling shows are looked upon to be so low brow that advertising companies think it's not worth spending their money on their shows and networks don't want them on their programming. Imagine that! All the stupid brain-dead "reality" television shows out there, and yet that is more desirable then pro wrestling. No wonder the WWE has been pushing their new corporate image down our throats for the past couple of years. They are trying their best to fix that image, despite all the dumb segments they've presented to us that pass as comedy, or maybe worse, drama. It's so bad that they are afraid of losing sponsors so they won't take chances or risks anymore. The product has been the same for almost a decade now, when in the past it'll evolve every 4-5 years, sometimes not by choice. And yet, I've never met anybody who looked down on me for loving wrestling so much, male or female. And most of the advertisers are owned by men, most of these networks are run by men why would they lift their noses at wrestling? Do they have any testosterones left in their bodies? Is it because these are rich and when you reach a certain level in society, you lift your nose at certain things. But again, if I'm Coke for example, even if wrestling is seen as a lower entertainment, wouldn't you want to cater to "the little people". Coke has been one of the first companies to go into the underdeveloped countries to sell their stuff. There's no level they won't stoop to to sell their product. As far as WWE, they've tried to change their image since 2006 but I'm not sure if this has been better for them.
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on Nov 24, 2014 0:34:14 GMT -5
I will always have a special place for TNA in my heart, since they are the company that got me watching wrestling again in 2007 after the 4 year break that WWE put me in. I'm happy that they have a new television deal and that they will continue to have opportunities to succeed. I've lived through all of my favorite federations closing down - WCCW, AWA, GWF, ECW and WCW, so I'm happy to see that they will live to fight another day. I can understand how some people feel about TNa and wish that they would close because of whatever reason, it's the same way that I feel about the WWE... Sometimes I wish they'd fall flat broke on their ass because of their arrogance. But professional wrestling has been around for a century and the more companies out there giving opportunities to work, the better.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Nov 24, 2014 1:02:11 GMT -5
The new monday night war was an incredibly ballsy move, they had nowhere near the star power that wcw did back in the day and they gave us all what we had been dreaming about for years - yes they booked it incredibly poorly, bizarrely so, so you could argue that they deserved to fail, but you have to appreciate that they gave it a shot. The rest of your post is fine; but this--no. It wasn't a ballsy move; it was an incredibly stupid one that was seen as such months before it even happened. When a kid puts his hand on a hot stove and gets burned, you don't congratulate him for the ballsy effort.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Nov 24, 2014 1:05:59 GMT -5
I'll bet C.O.P.S. could have gotten a TV dead with a better network. To be fair, they do fight crime in a future time. That's awesome.
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Post by Dean-o on Nov 24, 2014 2:41:26 GMT -5
It really is quite sad to realize that the sport that has been such a huge part of my life and many others here is looked upon to be such trash to the television world. I mean, we all know just how much shit is on TV these days that gets huge mainstream ratings and attention, and yet pro wrestling shows are looked upon to be so low brow that advertising companies think it's not worth spending their money on their shows and networks don't want them on their programming. Imagine that! All the stupid brain-dead "reality" television shows out there, and yet that is more desirable then pro wrestling. No wonder the WWE has been pushing their new corporate image down our throats for the past couple of years. They are trying their best to fix that image, despite all the dumb segments they've presented to us that pass as comedy, or maybe worse, drama. It's so bad that they are afraid of losing sponsors so they won't take chances or risks anymore. The product has been the same for almost a decade now, when in the past it'll evolve every 4-5 years, sometimes not by choice. And yet, I've never met anybody who looked down on me for loving wrestling so much, male or female. And most of the advertisers are owned by men, most of these networks are run by men why would they lift their noses at wrestling? Do they have any testosterones left in their bodies? Is it because these are rich and when you reach a certain level in society, you lift your nose at certain things. But again, if I'm Coke for example, even if wrestling is seen as a lower entertainment, wouldn't you want to cater to "the little people". Coke has been one of the first companies to go into the underdeveloped countries to sell their stuff. There's no level they won't stoop to to sell their product. As far as WWE, they've tried to change their image since 2006 but I'm not sure if this has been better for them. It hasn't. It's fact, it's really harmed their product in my opinion. To me, I look at it as like the Corleone family trying to go legitimate when their entire business history has been anything but. I mean, this is a business that prides themselves when they put a rival corporation out of business. Think the head of Coke & Pepsi are trying to do that to each other? I've never met anybody either. Every girlfriend I had became a wrestling fan with me, and my guy friends would watch a show with me and not get completely bored by it. I've even taken some to Raw and they had a blast. So, ratings are slowly dropping, advertisers don't want to be associated with you or your fan base, and cable networks don't think you're worth as much as your asking price. Don't they think it's time for a change in your product? This means a fresh look to your programming, changing your booking process, making it edgier but still PG, and cutting out all the horrible segments that make your fans cringe and become embarrassed to be watching? Apparently not.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Nov 24, 2014 10:05:41 GMT -5
I'll bet C.O.P.S. could have gotten a TV dead with a better network. To be fair, they do fight crime in a future time. That's awesome. They're just a rip off of C.O.O.K.S.
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