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Post by OGBoardPoster2005 on Nov 10, 2014 14:20:46 GMT -5
Why?
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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on Nov 10, 2014 14:27:25 GMT -5
The unwritten rule in wrestling seems to be that when there's a replacement in a major match, the replacement goes over.
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Post by Paco on Nov 10, 2014 14:55:27 GMT -5
Kevin Nash
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Post by Mr. Butter Fingers on Nov 10, 2014 14:55:44 GMT -5
Maybe Nash was going to go over, so TNA just decided to have Rhino go over as well.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Nov 10, 2014 14:57:29 GMT -5
so belt mark Jarrett could win it back a couple of days later to add another notch in title count
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Post by ________ has left the building on Nov 10, 2014 16:05:22 GMT -5
It was a make good for Nash not being there and Double J didn't care about losing since he was going to win back the title before Rhino could pack it in his suitcase.
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Post by OGBoardPoster2005 on Nov 10, 2014 19:36:54 GMT -5
I completely forgot about it being Nash/Jarrett originally. Yikes....this could've been a LOT worse...
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Nov 10, 2014 22:50:04 GMT -5
it was the first BFG and they didn't want to send the fans home pissed about Jarrett winning again. also, at the time, Rhyno was getting a monster push.
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 10, 2014 23:14:10 GMT -5
I didn't mind it, but I do wish early TNA hadn't been so reliant on Jarrett. I know stability is a major concern for young companies, but it was to the detriment of the product.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2014 1:19:12 GMT -5
I didn't mind it, but I do wish early TNA hadn't been so reliant on Jarrett. I know stability is a major concern for young companies, but it was to the detriment of the product. To this day I'm pissed over that stupidity with Raven. "Misused guy in WWE who was popular and was notable in WCW and ECW but never a headliner," is a lot more interesting way to start off an alternative on a bigger scale than, "Guy who held the WCW title five times."
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Post by Mayonnaise on Nov 11, 2014 1:25:06 GMT -5
it was the first BFG and they didn't want to send the fans home pissed about Jarrett winning again. also, at the time, Rhyno was getting a monster push. I think Jarrett was supposed to win before Nash had his...was it a heart attack this time? Either way, when Nash didn't show, they did the stuff with Rhino to send the fans home happy.
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Post by ICBM on Nov 11, 2014 9:53:13 GMT -5
At that point I refused to watch it or follow it until Jarret dropped the title. Coincidentally, he dropped the title and they start advertising a new show in spike. So I says to myself, "self the time is right". I get two weeks out, the guide on my DVR shows the debut of impact is scheduled, so I select it to record and forgetTNA exists until a few days after it had aired. Imagine my surprise when I watch it and learn JJ won the title at some house show in Canada. Literally I almost deleted it and gave up. I watched and was still watching up till 2011. I'm glad I gave it a shot but JJ was a major turn off
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2014 11:35:53 GMT -5
The unwritten rule in wrestling seems to be that when there's a replacement in a major match, the replacement goes over. This is the correct answer. Not sure if every company follows that at all times, but generally a title change to make up for the scheduled opponent not being there is a way to make up to the fans for not delivering the advertised match.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Nov 11, 2014 11:44:33 GMT -5
I didn't mind it, but I do wish early TNA hadn't been so reliant on Jarrett. I know stability is a major concern for young companies, but it was to the detriment of the product. To this day I'm pissed over that stupidity with Raven. "Misused guy in WWE who was popular and was notable in WCW and ECW but never a headliner," is a lot more interesting way to start off an alternative on a bigger scale than, "Guy who held the WCW title five times." They actually had an okay storyline going with him and Larry Zbysko (Who was the Director of Authority) but Raven had a thyroid problem that caused him to go on the shelf and when he came back he ballooned up. They kept doing other things (Serotonin) to keep him on screen but allow him to lose weight, but he never did.
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Post by giraffe4hire on Nov 11, 2014 18:36:35 GMT -5
Raven dropping to Jarrett is the bigger "why" in my opinion. Raven finally wins the NWA title after being in TNA since the early days. TNA gets a TV deal on Spike. Spike show debuts with Jarrett as the NWA champ. We are shown video footage of Jarrett beating Raven for the belt AT A CANADIAN HOUSE SHOW. NOT ON THE DEBUT EPISODE OF IMPACT ON SPIKE. NOT AT BFG ON PPV. AT AN UNTELEVISED EVENT. WE NEVER EVEN SAW THE MATCH. Raven never held the title again.
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Post by benstudd on Nov 12, 2014 3:45:26 GMT -5
it was the first BFG and they didn't want to send the fans home pissed about Jarrett winning again. also, at the time, Rhyno was getting a monster push. Also this is the sort of stuff that used to happen all the time in TNA pre-Bischoff days. We may not like JJ on top but they used to always surprise people and leave people home happy. TNA is a small company and they were quick to think on their feet to fix something. We've had two times during the Bischoff era first with a high Hardy and then with Roode losing to an injured Angle where TNA sort of were caught by some badly-timed turn of events and all they managed to do was trying to limit the damage and not look too bad. But all it did is enrage people who had paid money to watch these shows. It was a lack of respect to the fans is what I think. While in any other times, it's obvious that TNA in the past were more fan-friendly and whatever you might think of JJ, he wanted to give you a good show, leaving you home happy and they would have improvised and do something surprising, even if swerves annoy us. The Rhino thing was textbook "old" TNA where they are in a bind but it turns out better than the original plan. The Rood thing, the Hardy thing was textbook Bischoff TNA. There was a thousand ways they could have fixed those thing live and make it a great night but they chose to do...nothing. For example, in the JJ-Nash match, Nash was not there. What did they do? Battle royale, there's a new number one contender. They could have done this for Victory Road and BFG 2011, just get a new wrestler out there for high Hardy and injured Angle. Not that complicated. At least you do SOMETHING for the fans.
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Post by benstudd on Nov 12, 2014 4:09:11 GMT -5
it was the first BFG and they didn't want to send the fans home pissed about Jarrett winning again. also, at the time, Rhyno was getting a monster push. We can say how much we hated JJ and his run on top but I must say this is the sort of stuff that used to happen all the time in pre-Bischoff TNA, they always managed to pull a rabbit out of the hat and leave people home happy. Contrary to the WWE, TNA was a small operation and they always had more flexibility to do things on the fly and make quick changes. I don't know why that changed once EB/Hogan came in, maybe it's because they were too much at the mercy of big long storylines and could not modify their game plan cause everything would fall off. Maybe. But take two instances when Hardy was high at Victory Road and when Angle was injured for BFG, when they were in trouble, the TNA higher ups decided to do...nothing. And just do shorter matches. Maybe in fear of further screwing up? But by doing that screwed the fans badly. One would think that the TNA of the past would have made sure the fans would have left home happy. Just take the example of Rhino-JJ. Nash can't make it, they do a battle royale, there's a new contender, he beats JJ for the title. That's an amazing turn of events that turned things even better than what would have happen. All they did is insert a new wrestler. One would think that could have been a possibility for Victory Road and BFG 2011. Hardy and Angle can't have a match? Bring in another wrestler. That simple. At least create something new from it. In one case you see a company that cares about its fans, in the other two examples, you see a company that mainly wants to save face. They care about their image. But you know what? I would have prefered if Hardy would have wrestled high for 15 minutes than stop the match after 3 minutes. At least you expose what the guy is to the fans. You say, hey fans, we're screwed but we're gonna show you why.
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Post by berlynwright on Nov 12, 2014 4:28:41 GMT -5
it was the first BFG and they didn't want to send the fans home pissed about Jarrett winning again. also, at the time, Rhyno was getting a monster push. he lost the title at the next taping
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Post by Yamashita Enforcement Division on Nov 12, 2014 4:36:24 GMT -5
it was the first BFG and they didn't want to send the fans home pissed about Jarrett winning again. also, at the time, Rhyno was getting a monster push. he lost the title at the next taping Well, yeah, NWATNA. Jeff Jarrolscavitz for life.
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Nov 12, 2014 5:03:56 GMT -5
You can applaud TNA for making a good decision in the moment but it was the first big clue as to what they would become, a company that can make fans happy one moment and piss away any goodwill by going ahead with bad plans as soon as they can. Rhyno was hot and a great chance to actually play the real Monday Night War game, of exposing another companies shortcomings by making their former stars into your superstars. You don't need them to do promos trashing the other company you just need to book them better. I'm not saying Ryno was going to be Steve Austin or Mick Foley but he sure could have been a Shane Douglas or Robbie V.
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