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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Nov 11, 2014 20:16:01 GMT -5
I'm so tired of people lazily throwing around comes condescending terms like "social justice warrior" to minimize and discredit arguments for better representation in gaming. Women's issues in gaming are important, and this is exactly the kind of thing devs should be taken to task for. 1. It was a joke. Calm down. 2. Are we really going to start this in a dumb wrestling game thread?
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Nov 11, 2014 21:53:15 GMT -5
Damn it, I want to see Ambrose and Rollins' entrances. They supposedly have new entrances not in the last gen version. From what I've heard they don't. They only have their Shield entrances. Their current themes and trons aren't in. Right, but I heard their Shield entrances were new and not the crappy recycled ones from last gen.
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Post by FinalGwen on Nov 11, 2014 22:15:46 GMT -5
I can't even look at 2K15 as a joke any more. This is just dismal now. What's next, if you use long hair or clothing beyond trunks and boots for a CAW it takes up two slots because there's so much 'visual fidelity'? Will they announce that you can only use preset movesets because they just couldn't polish create-a-moveset enough in time? This isn't a foundation, it's a wreck.
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Post by rowdy426 on Nov 11, 2014 22:27:04 GMT -5
From what I've heard they don't. They only have their Shield entrances. Their current themes and trons aren't in. Right, but I heard their Shield entrances were new and not the crappy recycled ones from last gen. I swear I heard that the new themes were in.
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Post by Malcolm on Nov 11, 2014 22:39:04 GMT -5
Let's see... we're losing a whole bunch of features and STILL don't get a new gameplay engine. There's no real trade-off hear aside from better graphics(from what I can see, it's still the same old Smackdown engine). I haven't really cared much about making female wrestler(NOT divas) caws since they made gender restrictions, but it still kinda pisses me off.
It's almost funny and a little ironic how people kept telling me a new gameplay engine would lead to this kind of feature stripping. I know this is the first time on a new gen console, but c'mon!
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Nov 11, 2014 22:43:44 GMT -5
Let's see... we're losing a whole bunch of features and STILL don't get a new gameplay engine. There's no real trade-off hear aside from better graphics(from what I can see, it's still the same old Smackdown engine). It's almost funny and a little ironic how people kept telling me a new gameplay engine would lead to this kind of feature stripping. I know this is the first time on a new gen console, but c'mon! It is a new gameplay engine, though. They used a lot of the mo-capped moves from previous years, but the wrestling engine is brand new (at least from what they say, and what people who've played at gaming conventions say). Climbing to the second turnbuckle, deciding which direction to face while standing on the turnbuckle, crawling to make pinfalls, using the ropes to pull yourself up off the mat, a brand new grappling engine, a brand new stamina system. That's what I'm reading, and that to me sounds like a completely new game.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2014 22:48:01 GMT -5
Yeah it's a new gameplay engine built from the ground up. Looks like they've just reused some of the same animations from the previous engine but it indeed is the new one. It's more strategic-based than previous titles, slowed down to make it as realistic as possible. A lot of things really.
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Post by Malcolm on Nov 11, 2014 22:55:23 GMT -5
Let's see... we're losing a whole bunch of features and STILL don't get a new gameplay engine. There's no real trade-off hear aside from better graphics(from what I can see, it's still the same old Smackdown engine). It's almost funny and a little ironic how people kept telling me a new gameplay engine would lead to this kind of feature stripping. I know this is the first time on a new gen console, but c'mon! It is a new gameplay engine, though. They used a lot of the mo-capped moves from previous years, but the wrestling engine is brand new (at least from what they say, and what people who've played at gaming conventions say). Climbing to the second turnbuckle, deciding which direction to face while standing on the turnbuckle, crawling to make pinfalls, using the ropes to pull yourself up off the mat, a brand new grappling engine, a brand new stamina system. That's what I'm reading, and that to me sounds like a completely new game. Second turnbuckles, crawling, rope pulling, new grapple system doesn't sound like a completely new gameplay engine to me. I've seen the gameplay videos and it looks mostly the same as last year but a little slower and disguised with better animations. The striking, the grappling, the reversals, the reactions to strikes, and I think I even saw some of the same glitches... pretty much the same. If you were to compare the first Smackdown game to, say, WWE 12 it may LOOK and FEEL like it's running on a new gameplay engine because of the different gameplay features and animations, but the games are still built upon the basic Smackdown engine. It's just all stacked up like renovating a building a billion times that it seems unrecognizable from the original building, but the building is still there. Until some hackers(not Yukes or 2k. Not after that whole predator engine nonsense) can prove to me that the game is running on an entirely all new engine, I'll continue to believe otherwise.
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Post by Fiddleford H. McGucket on Nov 11, 2014 22:58:48 GMT -5
Ok...not to intrude on this, but According to GameStop, If you purchased a Digital deluxe edition in store, you can get your code on the 16th.
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Post by FinalGwen on Nov 11, 2014 23:04:15 GMT -5
As someone who has played it, unless they've built it from the ground up in the last few months, there's no way in hell it's a completely new engine. Other than being a it slower, having the new positions and better rope/table physics, it felt almost identical to 2K14 in the Summerslan build, right down to some of the glitches. If it were built from scratch, there'd be no reason for the stage area to give you running-on-the-spot when you're whipped into the stage wall, unless rewriting it means literally taking everything from the old engine line by line, even the glitches and errors, and recreating the shitty code in a slightly different format.
Hell, when I climbed the second rope for a diving move, I went into the animation from the top rope. They've probably fixed that by now, but it's not like the game needed to be rewritten for that.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2014 23:16:41 GMT -5
Judging everyone who played the MyCareer build less than a month ago, it's increased from the Summerslam build. All the people I've listened to (smacktalks, gamesdungeon and etc) have stated that they didn't see any bugs like they did in the Summerslam version and they've stated in youtube videos/comments that it's better than it was then, a bit more distinguishable.
The main issue here seems to be the "built from the group up portion" and the "new engine" portion. Yeah, it's a new engine but it being "built from the ground up" isn't exactly like starting from scratch. The old-gen consoles are 100% incompatible with the current ones. Different CPU (even different CPU type...RISC instead of CISC). Porting 10 year old spaghettified code to a completely new architecture would have taken more time than creating one from scratch. Porting the old codebase (just talking about the engine, not the game-logic) would have taken at least 1 more year (makes almost 3 years in total). So we wouldn't have a game at all this year, if they would have ported from old-gen.
Overall it's just a matter of if people think "a new engine" means everything is completely new rather than grabbing the old engine, switching a great amount of things out thus updating the old outdated engine to make a "new engine."
It's two different things.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Nov 11, 2014 23:17:29 GMT -5
Finally checked out that link to the Creative Suite stuff. Rollins and Ambrose look fantastic. So happy their bodies don't become gangly weird CAW bodies with giant real superstar heads.
I'm really excited to mess around with the game. Decided to jump on the digital deluxe version since I was getting the season pass anyway. Might as well get the Hogan's.
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Post by RIHT on Nov 11, 2014 23:20:52 GMT -5
I can't even look at 2K15 as a joke any more. This is just dismal now. What's next, if you use long hair or clothing beyond trunks and boots for a CAW it takes up two slots because there's so much 'visual fidelity'? Will they announce that you can only use preset movesets because they just couldn't polish create-a-moveset enough in time? This isn't a foundation, it's a wreck. I don't know. If they update the game more frequently (maybes themes/titantrons as DLC or whatnot, or feature fixes/additions) and the base game has good gameplay, then the losses could be forgiven.
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Post by Ron Woodsman aka Shempaholic on Nov 11, 2014 23:33:21 GMT -5
From what I've heard they don't. They only have their Shield entrances. Their current themes and trons aren't in. Right, but I heard their Shield entrances were new and not the crappy recycled ones from last gen. Oh, okay, I hope that is the case then.
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Post by CH Punk on Nov 12, 2014 0:06:28 GMT -5
Ok...not to intrude on this, but According to GameStop, If you purchased a Digital deluxe edition in store, you can get your code on the 16th. I just checked Gamestop.com and they list it as downloadable 11/18 at 8 AM EST (I imagine this is a boilerplate statement on both the Xbox Store and Playstation Store list it as playable 11/18 at midnight PST). This could get updated soon or they're being cheap about wording and are just saying that you can redeem the code starting the 16th (I mean, if you pre-order the digital deluxe edition, you can start downloading it now, I already have the game on my hard drive waiting for the activation). Also, while I am bummed at some of the features that got cut (although I am looking forward to using all 25 slots to make a roster of different Bella Twins and create a whole brand about it ), I'd rather they take their time and make sure that these features are better integrated into the game and/or have better features (i.e. like having every superstar in the game customizable and they logo importer). I mean, they could have easily made 2K15 with the exact same foundation as the previous games with the same features, but would you really want that when 2K has a golden opportunity with the generation switch to actually rework some of the core pillars of the game? If this time next year we're still being told to hold on for female CAWs and Story Designer, then we can start worrying about 2K intentions with the franchise, but, until then, I'm going to be optimistic and say that 2K actually want to give us some good and well thought-out features and not some slapdash content to distract us from the fact that the games have been a glitchy mess for years.
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Post by Cvslfc123 on Nov 12, 2014 3:37:40 GMT -5
The only bad thing about Mark Henry's entrance is it doesn't have the camera behind him when he first comes out, I assume the Christian Showcase will have 2011 Mark Henry who will hopefully have his entrance from that time.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2014 3:56:39 GMT -5
People will be disappointed (and clearly are) but it's a case of 'we didn't want to allow you to make CAWs which are below standard and wouldn't do justice to the women wrestlers' as opposed to 'we're Ubisoft'. But it's still the same basic response of "Women are hard". I agree entirely, but in this case it's not a case of 2k claiming that 'oh playing as a woman is an unrelated bonus to gamers' and feels more like a case of 'well, making those wrestlers in prior games tended to look rubbish compared to male CAWs'. Given 2k are seemingly doing the total overhaul of a bad game engine/system and fixing it, and admitting their own flaws/new development problems, as crap as it seems for now if it leads to 2k16 having an equally good way to CAW for both physical sexes then I think the one year wait will be worth it. I'm sorry if this is coming off as dismissing the notion of playing as any women out there too, as I know it can seem that way in passing -and we can discuss if it's worth having a lesser creation suite for women wrestlers is better than lacking one whilst they develop one for future games- but I'm giving 2k games the benefit the doubt given they've seemingly been fixing major flaws from the ground up, including a new creation suite etc. EDIT: As someone who has played it, unless they've built it from the ground up in the last few months, there's no way in hell it's a completely new engine. Other than being a it slower, having the new positions and better rope/table physics, it felt almost identical to 2K14 in the Summerslan build, right down to some of the glitches. If it were built from scratch, there'd be no reason for the stage area to give you running-on-the-spot when you're whipped into the stage wall, unless rewriting it means literally taking everything from the old engine line by line, even the glitches and errors, and recreating the shitty code in a slightly different format. Hell, when I climbed the second rope for a diving move, I went into the animation from the top rope. They've probably fixed that by now, but it's not like the game needed to be rewritten for that. Just saw this though, so now I understand a bit more. If it is a trade off of 'well we only have 25 slots, who wants to use women?' then it's a bit bad, and it does give off that air right now thinking on it...here's hoping it's fixed in a year again.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2014 8:12:32 GMT -5
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Post by Flash Burton on Nov 12, 2014 8:47:38 GMT -5
I can't listen to that video right now but that lock up system confuses the hell out of me
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Post by Fiddleford H. McGucket on Nov 12, 2014 8:57:16 GMT -5
I can't listen to that video right now but that lock up system confuses the hell out of me Basically it's a mini-game for the more technically minded wrestlers so they can "Wear down" the opponents with chain moves rather than "His weak ass move repeatedly and pray it hurts them"
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