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Post by ________ has left the building on Nov 14, 2014 19:11:10 GMT -5
TNA doesn't know to scout, groom, and nurture talent. Their idea of scouting to trying to talent raid ROH. They didn't want to use OVW as a developmental and treated as an afterthought & burden. Instead of treating Gut Check as a way to find the future stars of the company, they used it for a shitty reality work/shoot segment.
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Post by Juice on Nov 14, 2014 21:00:51 GMT -5
TNA used to be made up of the best Indy talent. Somewhere around Spike TV debut they decided not to invest in real talent anymore. Sure Spike would front the bill for Angle Sting and Hogan, so why not use some money for good INdy talent?
Well, they pay pennies as mentioned, they didn't let Indy bookings come easy as mentioned, they don't pay med expenses, put people in dangerous matches with drugged out Jeff Hardys, they aren't run by wrestling people and only have "wrestling people" backstage because they are Dixie's yes men,
they decided that home growing talent would be cheaper is my guess. Before it was OVW or 3d's school it was Booker T's school. If you think they pay their Indy talent badly, imagine how bad those call ups got paid.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Nov 14, 2014 22:25:20 GMT -5
Take the bucks for example, they made more money doing their own bookings and going to new japan than TNA could pay them. If they were to sign with TNA the company would limit their outside bookings I really think TNA should lighten up when it comes to outside bookings, because it could really help them out in the long term. Granted, this depends on them getting a new TV deal, even if it is a smaller one than what they had before. If they did everything right (yeah, I know LOLTNA), they could basically get talent to sign because "hey, they're getting on national TV". And if they allowed their talents to take outside bookings while cutting down their booking fee to a small amount like 5%, that 5% for a bunch of wrestlers getting their booking hustle on could easily supplement their funds once they send their contracted talent to wrestle all over the world.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Nov 14, 2014 22:32:20 GMT -5
TNA doesn't know to scout, groom, and nurture talent. Their idea of scouting to trying to talent raid ROH. They didn't want to use OVW as a developmental and treated as an afterthought & burden. Instead of treating Gut Check as a way to find the future stars of the company, they used it for a shitty reality work/shoot segment. Raiding ROH isn't any different then how WWE does it these days and TNA hasn't done that in a long time. The Wolves are the only people they signed since the days Joe, AJ, Daniels, and Homicide ruled ROH. Looking at TNA's current roster and who on it was in ROH it's a short list. Joe and the Wolves. Low Ki hasn't been in ROH in years. Homicide hasn't in a couple years either. That's all they really have. So yeah Joe and the Wolves are the last of the people they signed FROM ROH. Low Ki and Homicide where brought back but while they where gone from TNA they didn't make many appearances in ROH.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Nov 14, 2014 22:43:55 GMT -5
TNA doesn't know to scout, groom, and nurture talent. Their idea of scouting to trying to talent raid ROH. They didn't want to use OVW as a developmental and treated as an afterthought & burden. Instead of treating Gut Check as a way to find the future stars of the company, they used it for a shitty reality work/shoot segment. Raiding ROH isn't any different then how WWE does it these days and TNA hasn't done that in a long time. The Wolves are the only people they signed since the days Joe, AJ, Daniels, and Homicide ruled ROH. Looking at TNA's current roster and who on it was in ROH it's a short list. Joe and the Wolves. Low Ki hasn't been in ROH in years. Homicide hasn't in a couple years either. That's all they really have. So yeah Joe and the Wolves are the last of the people they signed FROM ROH. Low Ki and Homicide where brought back but while they where gone from TNA they didn't make many appearances in ROH. WWE waits until someone from ROH is a free agent before engaging dialogue about a contract. TNA tried to scoop ReDragon while still under ROH contract. The Wolves only came in because WWE passed on them and ROH already closed the door on Richards return. There are tons of good to great wrestlers not under a ROH contract but they won't look at them. But if you wrestled in ROH, expect a phone call soon enough. Kenny King nuked his bridge with ROH while tag team champion with Aries and Laguna leading the charge. And after King's half assed X title run, he became a glorified jobber. Indy folks are watching how TNA uses fellow indy workers and their value post TNA. Not worth the risk and low payday to go to TNA.
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Post by JTG Fan on Nov 14, 2014 22:50:09 GMT -5
The fact that wrestling garbage like Anarquia and Crazzy Steve have been featured significantly in a wrestling promotion on a major cable TV network is a complete abomination to the sport of professional wrestling.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2014 23:12:02 GMT -5
TNA is like the wrestling version of Major League, Dixie is trying to drive attendance down far enough to where she can move TNA to Liberty City, Miami. Sadly there's no Lou Brown at the head of booking to save their sorry asses.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2014 1:12:27 GMT -5
It's because WWE pays (insert phrasing for a larger amount of money here)
TNA on the other hand pays (Insert phrasing for a small amount of money here) (comedic comparison of money difference here).
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Post by grunt on Nov 15, 2014 1:24:54 GMT -5
The "TNA seriously limits indy bookings and charges too much" thing hasn't been true for a while, now, ever since Gaburick came on board (or roughly at the same period) : everybody on the roster is free to get indy bookings on their own, nowadays. Even more so since TNA has reverted to batch of tapings, and has temporarily stopped house shows.
Also, according to Spike TV, Angle & Sting, Spike TV never paid for any contracted talent, it was just a dirt sheet rumor.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Nov 15, 2014 11:46:24 GMT -5
But even back when TNA could afford bigger name wrestlers how come they never brought them in? Back between 2004-2009 TNA was the number 2 company in America. They brought in and could afford some big name WWE guys but with the odd exception most of the indy talent they brought in were not that good. Yet at the same time we had Daniel Bryan, Seth Rollins, Dean Ambrose, Adrian Neville, Steen, Zayn, the Briscoe Brothers etc all on the Indy scene. How come TNA never had any of these guys working for them? I mean I don't watch any Indy wrestling and I knew of most of these guys and how good they were but yet I never heard their names mentioned in the same breath as TNA. Yet they hired guys like Rob Terry, Gunner, Orlando Jordan, Christian York, Wes Briscoe etc. I mean if these guys were in the Indys and TNA is way ahead as the number 2 company they should have been able to sign these guys up. Right? Or am I missing something? What is even sadder is that they had Dean and Zayn for a tryout match and either they passed on him. TNA signings never made sense. Even when they had some money that they should gotten a couple of them one would think if they could pay them decent. Dunno about Ambrose, but Zayn was offered a contract as Generico, but passed when WWE started sniffing around. Same thing happened with Sami Callihan/Solomon Crowe. But like I've mentioned before, there's a ton of fairly talented indy guys that have tried really hard to get into TNA but TNA doesn't even look their way. Like mentioned, they just go after ROH guys. Now this is not meant as an insult to ROH talent as there are a lot of talented guys there, but just cause you are in ROH does not mean they are awesome (see TNA's backup plan to reDRagon being Brutal Burgers). I'm sorry but when you have guys like Azrieal, JT Dunn, Sugar Dunkerton, and Eric Corvis actually doing your stupid Twitter hashtags to get booked for Destination X and your response is to try and poach Brutal Burgers you need new Talent Scouts.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Nov 15, 2014 11:54:35 GMT -5
What is even sadder is that they had Dean and Zayn for a tryout match and either they passed on him. TNA signings never made sense. Even when they had some money that they should gotten a couple of them one would think if they could pay them decent. Dunno about Ambrose, but Zayn was offered a contract as Generico, but passed when WWE started sniffing around. Same thing happened with Sami Callihan/Solomon Crowe. But like I've mentioned before, there's a ton of fairly talented indy guys that have tried really hard to get into TNA but TNA doesn't even look their way. Like mentioned, they just go after ROH guys. Now this is not meant as an insult to ROH talent as there are a lot of talented guys there, but just cause you are in ROH does not mean they are awesome (see TNA's backup plan to reDRagon being Brutal Burgers). I'm sorry but when you have guys like Azrieal, JT Dunn, Sugar Dunkerton, and Eric Corvis actually doing your stupid Twitter hashtags to get booked for Destination X and your response is to try and poach Brutal Burgers you need new Talent Scouts. I agree about that and I never said ROH talent are all awesome but the name said are. Yeah there is a lot of talent out there not in ROH wanting there break but TNA misses them. That why again Big John is not qualified for his job. I mean all he ever was in the WWE was a tough enough director. That doesn't say guy put me in charge of your talent in my eyes. The kind of person you need in that role is someone who not only can sign the best talent but finding them. Since John got there look who he did sign and who he couldn't resign.
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Post by SAJ Forth on Nov 18, 2014 15:36:13 GMT -5
Seems more that nowadays, that the whole WWE isn't interested in TNA guys thing is the likeliest reason.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Nov 19, 2014 1:53:14 GMT -5
Seems more that nowadays, that the whole WWE isn't interested in TNA guys thing is the likeliest reason. That's just pettiness on WWE's part.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Nov 19, 2014 1:57:18 GMT -5
Seems more that nowadays, that the whole WWE isn't interested in TNA guys thing is the likeliest reason. That's just pettiness on WWE's part. Name one example of a good talent being passed over that isn't a gigantic f***wit (so Aries is out)
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Post by Reflecto on Nov 19, 2014 2:00:52 GMT -5
Dunno about Ambrose, but Zayn was offered a contract as Generico, but passed when WWE started sniffing around. Same thing happened with Sami Callihan/Solomon Crowe. But like I've mentioned before, there's a ton of fairly talented indy guys that have tried really hard to get into TNA but TNA doesn't even look their way. Like mentioned, they just go after ROH guys. Now this is not meant as an insult to ROH talent as there are a lot of talented guys there, but just cause you are in ROH does not mean they are awesome (see TNA's backup plan to reDRagon being Brutal Burgers). I'm sorry but when you have guys like Azrieal, JT Dunn, Sugar Dunkerton, and Eric Corvis actually doing your stupid Twitter hashtags to get booked for Destination X and your response is to try and poach Brutal Burgers you need new Talent Scouts. But that ties into another point- quite frankly, part of it IS the fans' fault. Even TNA having a backup plan to reDRagon being Brutal Burgers, a complete joke tag team in ROH, over real talent is moot, because the fans only want TNA and WWE to be graduate school for ROH and SHIMMER wrestlers. Even if Brutal Burgers are a joke, they're still ROH, and so a lot of the TNA fans would rather have them than a hundred guys like Dunn/Corvis/Dunkerton come through the door. Really, if you're going to say that TNA's scouting department sucks now- quite frankly, the TNA scouting department always sucked- the only difference between now and the eras when the X-Division and Knockouts were at their best is that they could just sign anyone who worked in ROH during the X-Div era or sign anyone who worked in SHIMMER during the Knockouts era.
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Post by tropicalstormstl on Nov 19, 2014 3:00:33 GMT -5
They should bring in The Submission Squad
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Nov 19, 2014 3:16:03 GMT -5
Dunno about Ambrose, but Zayn was offered a contract as Generico, but passed when WWE started sniffing around. Same thing happened with Sami Callihan/Solomon Crowe. But like I've mentioned before, there's a ton of fairly talented indy guys that have tried really hard to get into TNA but TNA doesn't even look their way. Like mentioned, they just go after ROH guys. Now this is not meant as an insult to ROH talent as there are a lot of talented guys there, but just cause you are in ROH does not mean they are awesome (see TNA's backup plan to reDRagon being Brutal Burgers). I'm sorry but when you have guys like Azrieal, JT Dunn, Sugar Dunkerton, and Eric Corvis actually doing your stupid Twitter hashtags to get booked for Destination X and your response is to try and poach Brutal Burgers you need new Talent Scouts. But that ties into another point- quite frankly, part of it IS the fans' fault. Even TNA having a backup plan to reDRagon being Brutal Burgers, a complete joke tag team in ROH, over real talent is moot, because the fans only want TNA and WWE to be graduate school for ROH and SHIMMER wrestlers. Even if Brutal Burgers are a joke, they're still ROH, and so a lot of the TNA fans would rather have them than a hundred guys like Dunn/Corvis/Dunkerton come through the door. Really, if you're going to say that TNA's scouting department sucks now- quite frankly, the TNA scouting department always sucked- the only difference between now and the eras when the X-Division and Knockouts were at their best is that they could just sign anyone who worked in ROH during the X-Div era or sign anyone who worked in SHIMMER during the Knockouts era. Another thing. If trying to sign Brutal Burgers is such an LOL move on TNA's part, what does it say about ROH to have them on their roster in the first place?
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Post by kingoftheindies on Nov 19, 2014 8:32:39 GMT -5
But that ties into another point- quite frankly, part of it IS the fans' fault. Even TNA having a backup plan to reDRagon being Brutal Burgers, a complete joke tag team in ROH, over real talent is moot, because the fans only want TNA and WWE to be graduate school for ROH and SHIMMER wrestlers. Even if Brutal Burgers are a joke, they're still ROH, and so a lot of the TNA fans would rather have them than a hundred guys like Dunn/Corvis/Dunkerton come through the door. Really, if you're going to say that TNA's scouting department sucks now- quite frankly, the TNA scouting department always sucked- the only difference between now and the eras when the X-Division and Knockouts were at their best is that they could just sign anyone who worked in ROH during the X-Div era or sign anyone who worked in SHIMMER during the Knockouts era. Another thing. If trying to sign Brutal Burgers is such an LOL move on TNA's part, what does it say about ROH to have them on their roster in the first place? Every wrestling company has at least one guy that fans ask "why is he still here?" CZW just made one of those guys their World Champ.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Nov 19, 2014 8:49:31 GMT -5
TNA don't know who or what they are these days. They went from a company that had a decent enough mix of veterans and indy Talent to a company that was almost all WWE and WCW castoffs, burning through a hell of a lot of money in the process, not to mention the goodwill of their fanbase. Now they're still imitating the WWE, but it's 2007-8 era, where they pulled guys from minor indies or wrestling school and threw them on TV long before they were ready and expected people to see them as a big deal.
I still think it's a step up from the Hogan era, but they will take time to adapt to their new situation and find an identity so I'm not going to cr*p on them for trying to establish original talent, I just hope they're less dangerous that some of the green as goose poop signings they made from Team 3d's school before I stopped watching.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Nov 19, 2014 10:08:11 GMT -5
But that ties into another point- quite frankly, part of it IS the fans' fault. Even TNA having a backup plan to reDRagon being Brutal Burgers, a complete joke tag team in ROH, over real talent is moot, because the fans only want TNA and WWE to be graduate school for ROH and SHIMMER wrestlers. Even if Brutal Burgers are a joke, they're still ROH, and so a lot of the TNA fans would rather have them than a hundred guys like Dunn/Corvis/Dunkerton come through the door. Really, if you're going to say that TNA's scouting department sucks now- quite frankly, the TNA scouting department always sucked- the only difference between now and the eras when the X-Division and Knockouts were at their best is that they could just sign anyone who worked in ROH during the X-Div era or sign anyone who worked in SHIMMER during the Knockouts era. Another thing. If trying to sign Brutal Burgers is such an LOL move on TNA's part, what does it say about ROH to have them on their roster in the first place? It says that ROH has room on their roster to lower tier guys. Brutal Burgers are like the Ring Crew Express: two guys who aren't meant to be world beaters but still have a role on the roster. Every wrestling promotion, no matter the size, have a lower tier of wrestlers. If you're looking at Brutal Burgers, why not go for a better duos like Zero Gravity, Irish Airborne, Juicy Product, Beaver Boys, Team Tremendous Investigations, etc?
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