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Post by Professor Chaos on Nov 15, 2014 15:46:58 GMT -5
Is there any hope for the current regime or did the stink of ODB's butt forever ruin all of them?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2014 16:22:26 GMT -5
Most of them, especially given how the WWE is not in a spending mood right now, are pretty much screwed. A few of them can hit their stride in Japan, and Kurt Angle can just sign a Legends contract, but all-in-all, right now is not a good time to be working for the company.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Nov 15, 2014 16:44:48 GMT -5
I think they could be interested in Joe, seeing the whole deal with Triple H following him on twitter just so they could dm each other, not sure if this is true but allegedly they signed Rusev just because they couldn't get Joe a couple of years ago. But there are things that are holding him back, his age, his physique, and Punk bailing out he lost an ally there.
I was gonna say Roode but his age is also a factor that would make the wwe pass on him.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Nov 15, 2014 17:27:20 GMT -5
There is no "TNA stink". TNA stink is just WWE being petty and going "How dare you wrestle for a nationally televised promotion other than us?"
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Post by BJ Sturgeon on Nov 15, 2014 18:12:34 GMT -5
Bret Hart.
"This place has got TNA stink."
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Post by ________ has left the building on Nov 15, 2014 18:54:18 GMT -5
There is no "TNA stink". TNA stink is just WWE being petty and going "How dare you wrestle for a nationally televised promotion other than us?" No, there is a TNA stank and it got little to do with WWE's attitude about TNA talent. People constantly complain about how WWE book their talent but TNA has made it an art form on booking talent terribly. The Young Bucks came in with strong hype after impressing TNA management during a couple of tryouts. They get re-christian as Max and Jeremy Buck: Generation ME. Dumb name but true talent can overcome it. They have a very strong feud with the MCMGs that brought out the best in both teams and it starts to look like they are in line for a tag team run. But TNA proceeds to make them losers with the icing on top being getting pinned by Eric Bischoff in a squash handicap match that saw Abyss murking them in 2 minutes with them getting almost no offense in. The Bucks leave TNA soon enough and rehab their images from that down period. Crimson was getting hype as No Mercy Tommy Mercer in the indies. Comes to TNA as the kayfabe bro of Amazing Red which was not a bad gig. But TNA tries to make him a ginger Goldberg ignoring that he's built like Randy Orton. In his matches against non X Division guys, Crimson gets his ass kicked before winning with a lucky move. Not a good thing if you're suppose to be a bad ass. TNA continues his winning streak long after fans stopped caring. Then he has that shit feud with Matt Morgan that brought down both of their stocks. Before long, he get tossed down to OVW where he improves but TNA doesn't care about him anymore. Finally returns to the main roster to lose against Eric Young and Budget Cutter'd in a week. Crimson basically only wrestles in the smaller Mid South indies and AIW. TNA stank can effect a wrestler getting bookings in the indies post TNA. Unless you're established before hand, it's hard to come up with gigs. During this extended hiatus; people like the Wolves and Samoa Joe are getting regular bookings while Gunner and Shaw are sitting by the phone.
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Post by Brood Lone Wolf Funker on Nov 15, 2014 19:02:45 GMT -5
There is no "TNA stink". TNA stink is just WWE being petty and going "How dare you wrestle for a nationally televised promotion other than us?" No, there is a TNA stank and it got little to do with WWE's attitude about TNA talent. People constantly complain about how WWE book their talent but TNA has made it an art form on booking talent terribly. The Young Bucks came in with strong hype after impressing TNA management during a couple of tryouts. They get re-christian as Max and Jeremy Buck: Generation ME. Dumb name but true talent can overcome it. They have a very strong feud with the MCMGs that brought out the best in both teams and it starts to look like they are in line for a tag team run. But TNA proceeds to make them losers with the icing on top being getting pinned by Eric Bischoff in a squash handicap match that saw Abyss murking them in 2 minutes with them getting almost no offense in. The Bucks leave TNA soon enough and rehab their images from that down period. Crimson was getting hype as No Mercy Tommy Mercer in the indies. Comes to TNA as the kayfabe bro of Amazing Red which was not a bad gig. But TNA tries to make him a ginger Goldberg ignoring that he's built like Randy Orton. In his matches against non X Division guys, Crimson gets his ass kicked before winning with a lucky move. Not a good thing if you're suppose to be a bad ass. TNA continues his winning streak long after fans stopped caring. Then he has that shit feud with Matt Morgan that brought down both of their stocks. Before long, he get tossed down to OVW where he improves but TNA doesn't care about him anymore. Finally returns to the main roster to lose against Eric Young and Budget Cutter'd in a week. Crimson basically only wrestles in the smaller Mid South indies and AIW. TNA stank can effect a wrestler getting bookings in the indies post TNA. Unless you're established before hand, it's hard to come up with gigs. During this extended hiatus; people like the Wolves and Samoa Joe are getting regular bookings while Gunner and Shaw are sitting by the phone. If I may also add, a few of TNA's wrestlers would need to get off certain substances to even have a shot. Plus TNA's editing and shitty production skills show you the weaknesses of talent a few people even noticed that Brodus looked lost in the ring against Eric Young. They let Davey no sell his way through matches constantly, and with the exception of Gail Kim the TNA knockouts for people who are suppose to have so much training look beyond green.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Nov 15, 2014 19:19:04 GMT -5
No, there is a TNA stank and it got little to do with WWE's attitude about TNA talent. People constantly complain about how WWE book their talent but TNA has made it an art form on booking talent terribly. The Young Bucks came in with strong hype after impressing TNA management during a couple of tryouts. They get re-christian as Max and Jeremy Buck: Generation ME. Dumb name but true talent can overcome it. They have a very strong feud with the MCMGs that brought out the best in both teams and it starts to look like they are in line for a tag team run. But TNA proceeds to make them losers with the icing on top being getting pinned by Eric Bischoff in a squash handicap match that saw Abyss murking them in 2 minutes with them getting almost no offense in. The Bucks leave TNA soon enough and rehab their images from that down period. Crimson was getting hype as No Mercy Tommy Mercer in the indies. Comes to TNA as the kayfabe bro of Amazing Red which was not a bad gig. But TNA tries to make him a ginger Goldberg ignoring that he's built like Randy Orton. In his matches against non X Division guys, Crimson gets his ass kicked before winning with a lucky move. Not a good thing if you're suppose to be a bad ass. TNA continues his winning streak long after fans stopped caring. Then he has that shit feud with Matt Morgan that brought down both of their stocks. Before long, he get tossed down to OVW where he improves but TNA doesn't care about him anymore. Finally returns to the main roster to lose against Eric Young and Budget Cutter'd in a week. Crimson basically only wrestles in the smaller Mid South indies and AIW. TNA stank can effect a wrestler getting bookings in the indies post TNA. Unless you're established before hand, it's hard to come up with gigs. During this extended hiatus; people like the Wolves and Samoa Joe are getting regular bookings while Gunner and Shaw are sitting by the phone. If I may also add, a few of TNA's wrestlers would need to get off certain substances to even have a shot. Plus TNA's editing and shitty production skills show you the weaknesses of talent a few people even noticed that Brodus looked lost in the ring against Eric Young. They let Davey no sell his way through matches constantly, and with the exception of Gail Kim the TNA knockouts for people who are suppose to have so much training look beyond green. It got a lot to do with the TNA agents and how they lay out matches. They aren't booking ti hide weaknesses and magnify strengths. Bobby Lashley's booking is a rarity.
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Post by lovingway on Nov 15, 2014 21:39:18 GMT -5
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 15, 2014 21:44:44 GMT -5
I think they could be interested in Joe, seeing the whole deal with Triple H following him on twitter just so they could dm each other, not sure if this is true but allegedly they signed Rusev just because they couldn't get Joe a couple of years ago. But there are things that are holding him back, his age, his physique, and Punk bailing out he lost an ally there. I was gonna say Roode but his age is also a factor that would make the wwe pass on him. I think Rusev would have been a surefire hire either way, being trained by two former WWE wrestlers (Rikishi and Gangrel), having muay thai training, a bankable look and size, and being Eastern European probably helped him stand out. That said, I can see some similarities with Joe.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Nov 15, 2014 21:50:50 GMT -5
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Nov 15, 2014 21:53:08 GMT -5
If I may also add, a few of TNA's wrestlers would need to get off certain substances to even have a shot. Plus TNA's editing and shitty production skills show you the weaknesses of talent a few people even noticed that Brodus looked lost in the ring against Eric Young. They let Davey no sell his way through matches constantly, and with the exception of Gail Kim the TNA knockouts for people who are suppose to have so much training look beyond green. It got a lot to do with the TNA agents and how they lay out matches. They aren't booking ti hide weaknesses and magnify strengths. Bobby Lashley's booking is a rarity. Hell, looking at the way that guys like Mr. Anderson have been used, you could make an argument that some of their booking is seemingly designed to emphasize all weaknesses and overcome any strengths.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2014 23:31:53 GMT -5
I might be in the minority, but I think Lashley can be a star in the WWE. The way TNA has used him is pretty much the dictionary definition of how you use a guy like him. Of course. that's basically the way Brock is used in the WWE, so it would be duplicating characters, but maybe bring Lashley back as a Heyman guy and have Lesnar and Lashley wreck everyone until they face each other eventually.
Lashley is solid in the ring, athletic, and has the look of a bad ass. Give him a mouthpiece and he'll be a star, IMO.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Nov 16, 2014 1:16:25 GMT -5
Bret Hart. "This place has got TNA stink." "Who are you to doubt El Stinky?"
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Nov 16, 2014 1:31:13 GMT -5
Joe I think can become very much like AJ Styles is now. He may not get a WWE deal but I'm sure ROH would take him back and get a lot of interest from Japan. I can see him being all over the place like AJ is. A lot of guys like Roode could find the same kind of booking. Now guys like Gunner, Same Shaw, and ext they are guys I'm not sure about. I can see MVP returning to japan after having a lot of success there maybe take Lashley there too. Lashley maybe great but he also pushing 40.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2014 4:22:53 GMT -5
If WWE loosing 20 million on the network this year is true, then I doubt they will be looking to waste more money. No one who is currently in TNA will give them enough back to be worth it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2014 6:01:47 GMT -5
I think they could be interested in Joe, seeing the whole deal with Triple H following him on twitter just so they could dm each other, not sure if this is true but allegedly they signed Rusev just because they couldn't get Joe a couple of years ago. But there are things that are holding him back, his age, his physique, and Punk bailing out he lost an ally there. I was gonna say Roode but his age is also a factor that would make the wwe pass on him. I think Rusev would have been a surefire hire either way, being trained by two former WWE wrestlers (Rikishi and Gangrel), having muay thai training, a bankable look and size, and being Eastern European probably helped him stand out. That said, I can see some similarities with Joe. Holy shit, how the hell did Gangrel train someone who turned out that good? I might be in the minority, but I think Lashley can be a star in the WWE. The way TNA has used him is pretty much the dictionary definition of how you use a guy like him. Of course. that's basically the way Brock is used in the WWE, so it would be duplicating characters, but maybe bring Lashley back as a Heyman guy and have Lesnar and Lashley wreck everyone until they face each other eventually. Lashley is solid in the ring, athletic, and has the look of a bad ass. Give him a mouthpiece and he'll be a star, IMO. The big reasons Lashley failed in the WWE are he seemed to not have much patience and basically quit during the first real rough patch he ran into, they kept booking him contrary to his expertise, and they hotshotted him to the main event scene and tried to force him into being the guy when the crowd, while they had been warming up to him a lot during his slow rise, really wasn't ready for it yet. Of course they'd never do that nowaROMANREIGNSdays. It really shows how much they screwed it up if you watch his match with Cena. Good match and they do a lot to build it up as a huge deal, but the actual crowd reaction through it is basically the crowd's dead silent for Lashley and is firmly rooting for Cena when ordinarily against a face of similar standing he'd at best have half the crowd on his side.
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 16, 2014 6:12:59 GMT -5
I think Rusev would have been a surefire hire either way, being trained by two former WWE wrestlers (Rikishi and Gangrel), having muay thai training, a bankable look and size, and being Eastern European probably helped him stand out. That said, I can see some similarities with Joe. Holy shit, how the hell did Gangrel train someone who turned out that good? I might be in the minority, but I think Lashley can be a star in the WWE. The way TNA has used him is pretty much the dictionary definition of how you use a guy like him. Of course. that's basically the way Brock is used in the WWE, so it would be duplicating characters, but maybe bring Lashley back as a Heyman guy and have Lesnar and Lashley wreck everyone until they face each other eventually. Lashley is solid in the ring, athletic, and has the look of a bad ass. Give him a mouthpiece and he'll be a star, IMO. The big reasons Lashley failed in the WWE are he seemed to not have much patience and basically quit during the first real rough patch he ran into, they kept booking him contrary to his expertise, and they hotshotted him to the main event scene and tried to force him into being the guy when the crowd, while they had been warming up to him a lot during his slow rise, really wasn't ready for it yet. Of course they'd never do that nowaROMANREIGNSdays. It really shows how much they screwed it up if you watch his match with Cena. Good match and they do a lot to build it up as a huge deal, but the actual crowd reaction through it is basically the crowd's dead silent for Lashley and is firmly rooting for Cena when ordinarily against a face of similar standing he'd at best have half the crowd on his side. I think Rikishi might have been the primary trainer, but I think a lot of it is just that Rusev is very physically gifted, while Gangrel was, outside of the gimmick, a very average wrestler who also happened to have weight troubles, so that didn't help either.
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