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Post by Joe Neglia on Aug 9, 2015 12:21:04 GMT -5
Why? It was a funny depiction of the character. I don't like the idea of Mickey as this violent and selfish lunatic. That's not terribly far from how he started out, actually. And guys, let's ease off the Disney = Pure Evil thing a tad. I do still kinda work for them. |
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Aug 9, 2015 12:24:13 GMT -5
Yeah, that mouse does know how to destroy lives Off the record, I always try to avoid referring to Disney as "The Mouse". I know he's the definitive corporate mascot, but he's not that bland a character (or at all, really) in other mediums like the newer shorts or Kingdom Hearts and the comics. Just always seemed unfair to him. Yeah, they should use Donald Duck since he actually is a sadistic asshole.  |
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Post by sternrogers01 on Aug 9, 2015 13:36:33 GMT -5
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Post by The Unconquered Sun on Aug 9, 2015 13:45:22 GMT -5
Didn't Sony say the exact same thing? |
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Aug 9, 2015 13:48:36 GMT -5
If this continues the path it's on, wouldn't the rights revert back to Marvel at some point? It's not like Fox is making a profit from this and part of me wonders if they did this to rub salt into the wound of Marvel. They wanted to keep the rights in hopes of their own attempt at a cinematic universe. Will they give the rights back? Seems better for them to give it away now that it's toxic to them, but I can see them renewing it just to stick it to Marvel. It was reported that Fox is actually trying to get an X-men show but to do that they need some sort of OK from Marvel. If true, I'm not sure that they'd try and stick it to Marvel if they need them. |
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Post by Savage Gambino on Aug 9, 2015 14:48:32 GMT -5
The global numbers in that link are just about laughable. I mean, goddamn. $60 million global? At this point, FOX can only keep the F4 rights out of spite, because they sure as hell aren't turning a profit. For those that don't follow numbers like that, $60.3 million would be a lot for one person, but for a company like FOX and a would-be summer blockbuster like FANT4STIC, that barely pays all of the actors and crew, let alone CGI/special effects, advertising, et cetera. And these are global numbers. I've seen fairly average fall releases rake in at least $60 mil domestically, with nowhere near the advertising or built-in fanbase of a Fantastic Four movie. |
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Post by mizerable on Aug 9, 2015 15:03:28 GMT -5
Good LORD do I hate South Park Mickey. That was the point when I was just done with the show. You're so done with the show that you constantly bring up about how much you don't like the show whenever ANY mention of it comes up. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2015 15:28:19 GMT -5
Being a comics and Fantastic Four fan, this was a little tough to watch. I wanted to go in and love it. I really did. I just...didn't.
It wasn't the worst thing I ever saw. I'll probably watch it again for certain things. I just can't recommend going to see it.
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Post by chrom on Aug 9, 2015 15:46:40 GMT -5
More like Floptastic Four am I right?
At this point, they might as well sell both FF and X-Men back to Marvel, it's clear they have no idea what they are doing. Sony eventually gave in with Spider-Man they might as well also.
Sure you might say their doing good with X-Men now, but it took them five films to realize, "hey maybe we don't have to have Wolverine in every scene" for them to start making a good film.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Aug 9, 2015 15:47:54 GMT -5
Yeah, they aren't selling X-men back any time soon.
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Post by Harry The Arrow was Wrong! on Aug 9, 2015 15:54:30 GMT -5
Honestly I prefer X-men being separate from the MCU.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Aug 9, 2015 15:59:35 GMT -5
They're still doing well with X-men, I'd really say only two movies (3 and Origins:Wolverine) were misfires.
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Post by xCompackx on Aug 9, 2015 16:13:30 GMT -5
They're still doing well with X-men, I'd really say only two movies (3 and Origins:Wolverine) were misfires. I kinda liked Origins, personally. It wasn't great or anything (and that "Deadpool" sucked soooooooo bad), but until that, it's pretty entertaining. 3, though... Yeah. |
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Post by Red Impact on Aug 9, 2015 16:17:41 GMT -5
Honestly I prefer X-men being separate from the MCU. Honestly, I think X-Mendoes in general work better when they're doing their own thing. I get the notion that humans would be fearful with nutants, but it doesn't gel as well with teh Avengers and all the other teams to have this one super group hated. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Aug 9, 2015 16:36:56 GMT -5
Honestly I prefer X-men being separate from the MCU. Honestly, I think X-Mendoes in general work better when they're doing their own thing. I get the notion that humans would be fearful with nutants, but it doesn't gel as well with teh Avengers and all the other teams to have this one super group hated. I think the idea that there are heroes with powers that don't get nearly as much flack helps push the whole discriminated minority thing personally. |
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Post by chrom on Aug 9, 2015 17:20:34 GMT -5
It' been referenced in AOU and Antman that public opinion on superheroes has soured and become divided with many demanding they pay for what's happened and blaming them for the attacks and crisis with The Chituari and Ultron as well as Hulk's brainwashed rampage and his brawl with The Hulkbuster. Hence, next summer's big film.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Aug 9, 2015 17:23:38 GMT -5
Good LORD do I hate South Park Mickey. That was the point when I was just done with the show. You're so done with the show that you constantly bring up about how much you don't like the show whenever ANY mention of it comes up. Yeah. I honestly do think it's that awful now. |
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Post by the2ndevil on Aug 9, 2015 17:56:16 GMT -5
Fox still has the rights to the film characters so it's hard to sue them when they own that part of the property. For the sake of argument, let's say in a few years Fox attempted a TV Series of Fantastic Four, would that meet the contract, or is "film" in this case strictly movies? From what people who are much more well versed in the comics than I am have said, it seems to me that a more episodic format would fit the property better. |
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Post by Reflecto on Aug 9, 2015 18:00:01 GMT -5
The movie was absolutely God-awful. I realize you simply don't have the time and budget to nail every character origin out of the park, but c'mon now. Johnny being black is fine, but make Sue black, too; otherwise it seems like Fox wanted to have a slightly multiracial cast without pulling the trigger enough to have an interracial love story (Reed and Sue) and it comes off as "casting by focus group". Doom is a mess. I don't know what the hell that was supposed to be, but it's not Doctor Doom. The whole movie just feels like it was filtered through the Frank Miller Machine, and it just doesn't fit. What makes the FF different from, say, the Avengers, is that Reed, Sue, Ben, and Johnny aren't just a team - they're actually a family. They do family things. They have family struggles. They also just happen to save the world/universe/all of reality while being said family. Disney isn't innocent in all of this, either. After the amazing runs that Hickman, Robinson, Waid, and Millar had on that title (especially Hickman)... to simply cancel the series just reeks of spite. No Fantastic Four, no Marvel. Period. It's just a terrible time to be a fan of the FF, excluding Doctor Doom owning the universe in Secret Wars. (Spoilers since I go more in-depth to it...even though the movie quite honestly was bad enough that I'd be doing people a favor, rules are rules...) {Spoiler}
The bigger problem is that some of these things were a little unreasonable.
The "Johnny and Sue weren't the same race" thing was the most unfair claim against it as possible- but it tied into other issues with the story. Indeed, the casting of Michael B. Jordan did have a tangible benefit- he was the only member of the team who always came across like he was actually friends with the other three members of the team- given that the Fantastic Four ARE a family, that was a damning blow. It ties to one example- when it was mentioned in passing that Sue was adopted (and thus covered the whole issue once and for all- so don't hate the movie over that casting choice, because THERE WERE PLENTY of other, BETTER reasons to hate it), there was barely any chemistry between Reed and Sue to make it seem more like "they are maybe, sort of, friendly"- which would work very well for it, except the reactions throughout the movie afterwards made it painfully clear that it was supposed to come across like they were starting to fall for each other. (Victor Von Doom feeling jealous about it worked towards him being 'jealous and off-kilter about Sue'...it's not always 100%, but at least it could be viable to be his viewpoint...but then later, using Sue as "the only person who'd have a chance of getting Reed back", as if it went without saying that something was happening there (and not, by contrast, using Ben in the role, who Reed had sold his main motivation was fixing him in the first place), it was equally damning.
Likewise, the fact "Doom is a mess" was even worse for it- the "Doom as a hacktivist blogger' claims made it bad- in the process, it was lessened a bit, which was one question. The only problem is that Doom's viewpoint like that basically destroyed the whole movie in itself. The entire motivation for Doom, through this, was "The military and government are universally corrupt, and you can't give them this technology or they'll use it for evil...", which eventually became "The world has to die and be rebuilt on the other dimension with me alone as its leader". All well and good- but the problem was that, the government DID take hold of the four heroes, and they DID try using them for evil- and the biggest point they brooded on was "We're being used for military purposes to destroy them", to the point where the only way they could finish is "we're separating from the government entirely". In short, the entire moral of the story made Dr. Doom right all along...and this ties into the problem with Marvel vs. 20th Century Fox, because this would have been the ABSOLUTE PERFECT SEGUE into Civil War next year (and, uh, it's not like Reed Richards was Iron Man's second-in-command for the pro-regs or anything, right?)
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Post by Red Impact on Aug 9, 2015 18:00:17 GMT -5
Honestly, I think X-Mendoes in general work better when they're doing their own thing. I get the notion that humans would be fearful with nutants, but it doesn't gel as well with teh Avengers and all the other teams to have this one super group hated. I think the idea that there are heroes with powers that don't get nearly as much flack helps push the whole discriminated minority thing personally. If the team memberships didn't cross over, then sure. It's just funny though that mutants may be liked when they're on the Avengers, then hated when they're on the x-men. Granted, I know I'm asking about consistency in the Marvel universe, which is a bit like asking for a cheeseburger in a kosher deli, but still, it doesn't really make much sense. |
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