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Post by khali on Nov 23, 2014 18:03:47 GMT -5
David probably would have had a longer lasting run on top. Kerry and Kevin both were great athletes, but David absolutely had more of the total package with his ability to cut good promos.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2014 0:20:02 GMT -5
Where he was working under a mask as "Woman's Choice" yet still wore his "Kerry" ring jacket anyway. |
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on Nov 24, 2014 0:49:06 GMT -5
Kerry was my all-time favorite wrestler, but Honestly I'm surprised he got as far as he did despite his vices and limitations. Technically, he was a handicapped wrestler, and he still had a decent WWF run and held multiple titles around the territories after his amputation and after WCCW closed down. He was still able to deliver the goods and was a good draw until the end. I'm not approving of his choices, but I can't help but be amazed by it.
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Post by Hit Girl on Nov 24, 2014 1:46:21 GMT -5
If you kept him away from drugs and motorcycles, he may have made it to 1996 at least.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2014 11:19:07 GMT -5
Where he was working under a mask as "Woman's Choice" yet still wore his "Kerry" ring jacket anyway. But in fairness, that had to be intentional. There's no way they're bringing out Kerry Von Erich on some little rinky dink show like this without letting everyone know that it's Kerry Von Erich. |
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Post by Reflecto on Nov 24, 2014 11:54:28 GMT -5
The big issue as well is that "just" Kerry having drug problems wasn't his entire hindrance to be a big star- it was also that he chose to go to WWF instead of WCW in 1990. There, with Ultimate Warrior at the top- no matter whether Kerry was clean or not, had both feet or not, whatever it happened- at the end of the day, Kerry would always have a glass ceiling just due to being a guy with a similar look and build to Ultimate Warrior, just without the face paint or the batshit insanity that gave Warrior his color- and that meant he was destined to be the generic-brand, blander Ultimate Warrior for WWF when he got there. As a result, he'd be about the same as he was in WWF, with MAYBE a Luger-esque hot shot big push once Warrior had his first falling out with Vince (that, since Kerry was so much blander in style, would be destined to not really take.)
If Kerry was clean and went to WCW in 1990, though?
-He's the Black Scorpion. Goes without saying.
-The Black Scorpion angle has a satisfying enough conclusion that it doesn't become pure Wrestlecrap.
-Kerry Von Erich would have his best chance, clean or not, to be a top guy nationally.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2014 12:01:42 GMT -5
If Kerry was clean and went to WCW in 1990, though? -He's the Black Scorpion. Goes without saying. Why? Kerry was enemy of Flairs past, but the angle was the opposite. I could see it if it was Flair getting the harassment and not Sting, but it was vice versa. |
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Post by Reflecto on Nov 24, 2014 12:06:22 GMT -5
If Kerry was clean and went to WCW in 1990, though? -He's the Black Scorpion. Goes without saying. Why? Kerry was enemy of Flairs past, but the angle was the opposite. I could see it if it was Flair getting the harassment and not Sting, but it was vice versa. Similar to Sting's debut last night to take out the Authority for no apparent reason. The "It's Kerry Von Erich in a WCW ring, it doesn't HAVE to make sense!" would be just enough to make it acceptable. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2014 12:15:02 GMT -5
Why? Kerry was enemy of Flairs past, but the angle was the opposite. I could see it if it was Flair getting the harassment and not Sting, but it was vice versa. Similar to Sting's debut last night to take out the Authority for no apparent reason. The "It's Kerry Von Erich in a WCW ring, it doesn't HAVE to make sense!" would be just enough to make it acceptable. Fair enough I suppose, I just don't think as strongly as you do that he would have suited the role. Definitely not enough that it would have been a foregone conclusion. I see him as more of a white meat babyface, teaming with Sting, as opposed to the dastardly heel. Also as foil for the Horsemen, possibly heel-Luger. |
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Post by MC Blowfish on Nov 24, 2014 13:04:02 GMT -5
If David hadn't died, he never would have won the title. With that being said, I could still see him doing well in WWF or WCW. Mainly mid-card matches.
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Post by FrankGotch on Nov 24, 2014 22:41:12 GMT -5
If Kerry were clean and went to WCW in the Watts era he would have been world champion at least twice. I could see him and Berry having a huge feud over the belt. I also think he would have taken the place of Ron Simmons in the Vader feud.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 3:19:43 GMT -5
If Kerry were clean and went to WCW in the Watts era he would have been world champion at least twice. I could see him and Berry having a huge feud over the belt. I also think he would have taken the place of Ron Simmons in the Vader feud. Kerry wasn't black. Ernie Ladd, JYD and Ron Simmons were. |
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Post by FrankGotch on Nov 25, 2014 8:58:18 GMT -5
Bill Watts was all about what he thought was good for business. JYD, and Ernie Ladd didn't get pushes because they were black. They got pushed because they were over as rover in his territory. Kerry would have been a much bigger deal coming into WCW since most of the audience were well aware of who he was and his pedigree as a Von Erich. He also had a natural charisma that Ron Simmons lacked. If Kerry is around during that era I really can't see Ron getting the title run before Kerry.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 10:31:57 GMT -5
Bill Watts was all about what he thought was good for business. JYD, and Ernie Ladd didn't get pushes because they were black. They got pushed because they were over as rover in his territory. Kerry would have been a much bigger deal coming into WCW since most of the audience were well aware of who he was and his pedigree as a Von Erich. He also had a natural charisma that Ron Simmons lacked. If Kerry is around during that era I really can't see Ron getting the title run before Kerry. Watts has outright said his reasoning for choosing to push Ron Simmons as his World Champion when he had the reigns at WCW was the same as why he supported Ladd and JYD on top in prior years, and that Simmons could be a similar draw for him at a time when nobody in wrestling had pushed a black World Champion yet. I see no indication that if Kerry Von Erich had been in WCW, Watts would have totally changed his line of thinking and gone with Kerry as his World Champion instead. |
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on Nov 25, 2014 10:38:08 GMT -5
I always saw Kerry as a guy who would have been World Champion at least once. Not a huge title reign but a just an in between guy. when I saw him live at a WWF house show he was incredibly over. Good possibility he would have been big.
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Post by FrankGotch on Nov 25, 2014 13:17:29 GMT -5
Bill Watts was all about what he thought was good for business. JYD, and Ernie Ladd didn't get pushes because they were black. They got pushed because they were over as rover in his territory. Kerry would have been a much bigger deal coming into WCW since most of the audience were well aware of who he was and his pedigree as a Von Erich. He also had a natural charisma that Ron Simmons lacked. If Kerry is around during that era I really can't see Ron getting the title run before Kerry. Watts has outright said his reasoning for choosing to push Ron Simmons as his World Champion when he had the reigns at WCW was the same as why he supported Ladd and JYD on top in prior years, and that Simmons could be a similar draw for him at a time when nobody in wrestling had pushed a black World Champion yet. I see no indication that if Kerry Von Erich had been in WCW, Watts would have totally changed his line of thinking and gone with Kerry as his World Champion instead. I understand that Watts chose Simmons to appeal to the black audiences in the south. Hell even if Kerry were there Ron might still have gotten a run with the belt. What I'm saying is that if Kerry had been in Watts WCW, and was clean, and reliable, there is no way he doesn't get a run as WCW wold champion at some point. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 13:38:01 GMT -5
Kerry was a great looking midcard guy. After the injury, there was really very little chance for him to be anything but a midcard guy. He just wasn't any good in the ring. In WWF, Warrior was everything that Kerry was, plus charisma, plus could work the stick. In WCW, Luger was everything that Kerry was, plus work the stick, plus comparable charisma, plus could do great work as a heel. There might have been room for Kerry in WCW around '93 after Luger's departure. Kerry might have been able to step into the role they had for Davey Boy at that time.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Nov 25, 2014 14:07:46 GMT -5
According to some people, Gary Hart and Bret, Kerry wasn't the smartest guy around even when he was clean, I think Gary even said that Kerry couldn't cut a promo to save his life.
Like a poster above mentioned David was the only one who had any business sense, allegedly he was pitching to his dad that they should try to expand but Fritz opposed.
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