Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2014 12:10:07 GMT -5
The Styles Clash has always seemed like a taller person move to me. McCool was a good bit taller than pretty much every diva on the roster so there is an extra buffer space, whereas AJ is usually at best as tall as most of his opponents and often shorter making the guy taking the move's head close to the mat from the get go. I'm not a wrestler so I honestly don't even know if that matters, but realistically it's not worth it to keep doing the move in an entertainment arena where the goal should always be to not hurt your opponent. If some guys can't take the move and it breaks their necks, there's no reason to keep doing it whether 99% of the rest can take it safely or not. It's not like some kind of minor injury where you can just brush it off as one of those things that happens in wrestling, there's no excuse for a move that has f***ed up a few guys necks in a relatively short amount of time.
|
|
|
Post by ________ has left the building on Nov 27, 2014 21:05:58 GMT -5
Here's word from Lionheart, one of the unfortunate victims of a botched Styles clash:
|
|
|
Post by jp49er80 on Nov 29, 2014 17:43:41 GMT -5
If what one poster here said last week about him saying 'snapping necks and cashing checks' after injuring Lionheart is true, I can't with good conscience say anything nice about the man or his reasoning for still using the move.
|
|
chrom
Backup Wench
Master of the rare undecuple post
Posts: 84,565
|
Post by chrom on Nov 29, 2014 20:05:05 GMT -5
If what one poster here said last week about him saying 'snapping necks and cashing checks' after injuring Lionheart is true, I can't with good conscience say anything nice about the man or his reasoning for still using the move. AJ was playing a heel during the show and event, and part of his character. I highly doubt he meant that
|
|
pegasuswarrior
El Dandy
Three Time FAN Idol Champion
@PulpPictionary
Posts: 8,748
|
Post by pegasuswarrior on Nov 29, 2014 23:50:49 GMT -5
That move is becoming Liger Bomb levels of legendary. Don't like seeing people get hurt, but 20 years ago, this sort of thing would've been spun to make AJ look like a god. (Again, I don't want guys hurt, but the nature of this unique business is to use the misfortune to create something.)
|
|
|
Post by berlynwright on Nov 30, 2014 1:06:56 GMT -5
fwiw, there was another botched another styles clash on Kojima last night. Kojima didn't land on his neck, but it did look nasty.
|
|
Burst
El Dandy
*inarticulate squawking*
Posts: 8,566
|
Post by Burst on Nov 30, 2014 1:54:48 GMT -5
Is it because he's been playing heel more often than face lately or has AJ really just become a bit of an arrogant dick in the past five or so years?
|
|
chrom
Backup Wench
Master of the rare undecuple post
Posts: 84,565
|
Post by chrom on Nov 30, 2014 2:26:10 GMT -5
fwiw, there was another botched another styles clash on Kojima last night. Kojima didn't land on his neck, but it did look nasty. I'm watching it and I'm not seeing anything that went wrong. Kojima looked like he got the wind knocked out of him from the impact or his face hit the mat first as AJ had to pin him the regular way as he didn't roll him over like he usual does. That can happen your face hitting the mat first before your chest and upper body but rarely. He was able to roll out of the ring on his own and walk to the back. But I can tell AJ is frustrated.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2014 2:34:27 GMT -5
fwiw, there was another botched another styles clash on Kojima last night. Kojima didn't land on his neck, but it did look nasty. I'm watching it and I'm not seeing anything that went wrong. Kojima looked like he got the wind knocked out of him from the impact or his face hit the mat first as AJ had to pin him the regular way as he didn't roll him over like he usual does. That can happen your face hitting the mat first before your chest and upper body but rarely. He was able to roll out of the ring on his own and walk to the back. But I can tell AJ is frustrated. Yeah, nothing went wrong.... gfycat.com/SingleInbornJaguarundi
|
|
Cranjis McBasketball
Crow T. Robot
Knew what the hell that thing was supposed to be
Peace Love and Nothing But
Posts: 41,891
|
Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Nov 30, 2014 4:59:00 GMT -5
Since I barely know who AJ Styles is, I really don't have a dog in the fight of how good he is, but that move looks like shit. Just let him wrestle Mysterio, Mysterio can use it to set up the 619, another dumb ass move, and they can retire those moves together.
|
|
|
Post by jp49er80 on Nov 30, 2014 5:46:41 GMT -5
If what one poster here said last week about him saying 'snapping necks and cashing checks' after injuring Lionheart is true, I can't with good conscience say anything nice about the man or his reasoning for still using the move. AJ was playing a heel during the show and event, and part of his character. I highly doubt he meant that It's an insensitive thing to say after doing that regardless of if you're 'playing the heel' or not.
|
|
|
Post by Starshine on Nov 30, 2014 6:55:18 GMT -5
AJ was playing a heel during the show and event, and part of his character. I highly doubt he meant that It's an insensitive thing to say after doing that regardless of if you're 'playing the heel' or not. Paul Heyman christened Chris Benoit 'The Crippler' after he broke Sabu's neck. It's not like this is new to the world of pro wrestling.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2014 7:10:48 GMT -5
There is absolutely no reason why AJ Styles can't start using any of a thousand different other moves to finish matches. His paychecks will be the same whether his match ends with a Styles Clash or a sunset flip.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2014 7:19:08 GMT -5
There is absolutely no reason why AJ Styles can't start using any of a thousand different other moves to finish matches. His paychecks will be the same whether his match ends with a Styles Clash or a sunset flip. And at least a sunset flip looks sorta painful.
|
|
|
Post by jp49er80 on Nov 30, 2014 7:48:46 GMT -5
It's an insensitive thing to say after doing that regardless of if you're 'playing the heel' or not. Paul Heyman christened Chris Benoit 'The Crippler' after he broke Sabu's neck. It's not like this is new to the world of pro wrestling. Not suggesting it's new, either, but I still think it's dickish.
|
|
|
Post by Mondai Rogue on Nov 30, 2014 8:17:58 GMT -5
If what one poster here said last week about him saying 'snapping necks and cashing checks' after injuring Lionheart is true, I can't with good conscience say anything nice about the man or his reasoning for still using the move. AJ was playing a heel during the show and event, and part of his character. I highly doubt he meant that Given that the show pretty much ended after Lionheart broke his neck, I doubt he was just staying in character. His comments about UK wrestling on the Jericho podcast as well gives some more weight to the theory that maybe. just maybe AJ Styles is a massive prick and now the TNA machine isn't behind him, it's showing more.
|
|
|
Post by Adam Black on Nov 30, 2014 9:31:36 GMT -5
From what I understand, it's one of those moves that, to take safely, you have to do something that goes against what is taught. Most guys are taught to always tuck their heads in on most every move/fall to minimize head and neck damage. Obviously, with the Clash, you gotta lean it back. But, muscle memory being what it is, instinct sometimes kicks in. Face bumps = Head up not exactly against what is thought but yeah I agree about the muscle memory part
|
|
|
Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Nov 30, 2014 9:34:40 GMT -5
That actually pisses me off that he's still using it. Knock it off, you idiot. I get that it's "your move" and you gotta get your shit in but guess what? Hogan never broke anybody's neck with a Leg Drop. Austin never broke somebody's neck with a Stunner. And, last time I checked, Rocky never broke somebody's sternum with the People's Elbow. Who gives a shit if it's your move if dudes keep getting hurt? Stop it, you goof.
|
|
|
Post by Digital Witness on Dec 1, 2014 1:43:39 GMT -5
I'm willing to bet after that Kojima botch, they tell him to knock that shit off.
His Bloody Sunday is as effective looking as Devitt's. He could roll with that.
There's also that calf crusher he was using.
I was giving Styles the benefit of the doubt but the Clash is toast. There's no point in nearly causing someone's death in the ring for the sake of getting one's shit in.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2014 2:16:10 GMT -5
Another guy since Tatsu? By my count that's 5 since leaving TNA last year.
That's gotta be the highest injury rate for a move of all-time.
Fault doesn't matter at all, results do. The results make the move inexcusable to use.
|
|