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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2014 9:13:19 GMT -5
No.
Take Cesaro. When he trashes us, it feels like it comes from arrogance. When Rusev does it, it feels like it comes from pure contempt. Credit to his acting, but he is so a classic evil foreigner.
So he's proud? Who cares, he's still a dick.
The only crime here is that it's cheap and corny.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Nov 29, 2014 11:43:38 GMT -5
I don't side with them but I sure as hell don't side with WWE either. Ok, Rusev and Lana are incredibly xenophobic. So, your response is to be xenophobic right back? Two wrongs don't make a right.
Call me Cesaro because I'm staying neutral in this conflict.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Nov 29, 2014 11:54:44 GMT -5
The thign that really gets me with this is, Lana's character makes absolutely no sense from her own point of view. She only makes sense from the outside, as a villain in a story (even ignoring ridiculous things like the fact that she apparently has a personal relationship with Putin). Why on earth would a human being, even one who hates the US, express that hate in that way in that forum? Her motivation only makes sense externally, to be the bad guy in this particular tale. So, first of all, I feel bad for her and Rusev as characters, because I see them as being unfortunately caricatured and underdeveloped by the writers. And it makes me want to make up explanations for why on earth they'd act that way to make sense of it all, which means I'm no longer dehumanizing them, which means they can't serve as pure villains anymore.
Not even to mention the fact that this gimmick is so embarrassingly stuck in the 80s, it's relying on a connection between Bulgaria and Russia that hasn't existed in the past two decades. So I feel bad for the performers, too, stuck on trying to pull off this idiocy.
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on Nov 29, 2014 12:31:56 GMT -5
If this board existed in 1991, we'd have a thread justifying Jake Roberts sending a cobra to Miss Elizabeth for not inviting him to her wedding.
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Post by unc40 on Nov 29, 2014 14:41:52 GMT -5
Oh God, another one of these threads. For the record, I'm British and the twat was getting what he deserves. He's trashed an entire country for months on end, one he lives in no less. Roughed up numerous wrestlers after the bell, jumped people etc. Why is this so hard for some people to understand? I see your point but the problem isn't Rusev and Lana disrespecting the U.S. and getting what was coming to them as it was the WWE coming across as hypocrites. It's alright for Shawn Michaels to hump the Canadian Flag and Mick Foley to make snide remarks about the French but say something even the little bit negative about the U.S. and we will bully you into admit the U.S. is the greatest country ever.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2014 15:13:39 GMT -5
Oh God, another one of these threads. For the record, I'm British and the twat was getting what he deserves. He's trashed an entire country for months on end, one he lives in no less. Roughed up numerous wrestlers after the bell, jumped people etc. Why is this so hard for some people to understand? I see your point but the problem isn't Rusev and Lana disrespecting the U.S. and getting what was coming to them as it was the WWE coming across as hypocrites. It's alright for Shawn Michaels to hump the Canadian Flag and Mick Foley to make snide remarks about the French but say something even the little bit negative about the U.S. and we will bully you into admit the U.S. is the greatest country ever. Shawn was a heel when he did that stuff to the Canadian flag though. The Foley/French stuff you've got me on though.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Nov 29, 2014 15:21:01 GMT -5
I don't find Rusev or Lana interesting enough to be sympathetic, honestly.
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Nov 29, 2014 17:44:25 GMT -5
I don't side with them but I sure as hell don't side with WWE either. Ok, Rusev and Lana are incredibly xenophobic. So, your response is to be xenophobic right back? Two wrongs don't make a right. Call me Cesaro because I'm staying neutral in this conflict. No, you're obviously Mike Tenay if you're staying neutral. Neutral! You selfish PRICK!!!
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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on Dec 9, 2014 4:13:31 GMT -5
Even with the whole stupid since the guy is Eastern European he must be a pro Russian bullshit aside, as far as evil foreigner heels go I would say that Rusev has been one of the most well booked as he isn't a pussy and comes across as total badarse.
But yeah he is still a heel and whatever moments that make him and Lana look like faces is due to shitty writing.
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Post by benstudd on Dec 10, 2014 4:40:03 GMT -5
Always sided with him. Cause he's a great talent. And wrestling is not real.
Never seen someone of his level in any feuds he's had so far so I side with him. It's rare to see a WWE talent coming in and being booked as dominant like him(even if he cheats). They dropped the ball with Wyatt but they did well with him so it should continue. The only time I popped for him getting his ass kicked was when The Rock showed up. See? That's not difficult, book someone worthwhile against him and I'll root for the other guy.
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Post by trollrogue on Dec 11, 2014 16:10:54 GMT -5
They're doing a weird reverse-babyface booking for Rusev. Swaggs comes out and tries to quote 'snap his ankle' and probably does it judging from Rusev's selling on RAW. But Swagger is cheered madly for this clearly heel act, Rusev and Lana do work hard to get booed though. Props all around I dig the streak the Bulgarian's going on.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 11, 2014 16:16:59 GMT -5
They're doing a weird reverse-babyface booking for Rusev. Swaggs comes out and tries to quote 'snap his ankle' and probably does it judging from Rusev's selling on RAW. Rusev attacked and injured Swagger's manager. At least Swagger is attacking a competitor as opposed to an old man.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Dec 11, 2014 16:28:18 GMT -5
If this board existed in 1991, we'd have a thread justifying Jake Roberts sending a cobra to Miss Elizabeth for not inviting him to her wedding. He got her a nice loveable pet as a wedding gift. What's wrong with that?
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 11, 2014 18:47:30 GMT -5
If this board existed in 1991, we'd have a thread justifying Jake Roberts sending a cobra to Miss Elizabeth for not inviting him to her wedding. We once had a thread where someone tried to insist to their dying breath that Gaston in Beauty and the Beast was merely misunderstood and the hero in his scenario.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 11, 2014 18:51:31 GMT -5
If this board existed in 1991, we'd have a thread justifying Jake Roberts sending a cobra to Miss Elizabeth for not inviting him to her wedding. In my head canon, he did that because Damien's death drove him mad, and seeing Macho and Liz get married reminded him of his own failed marriage to Cheryl, who ultimately betrayed him and hooked up with Ravishing Rick Rude.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Dec 11, 2014 18:54:31 GMT -5
It is such a bizarre dynamic with how wrestling works in 2014. Back in the day Rusev would plow though guy after guy until he got to the top and then he would work with the top guy and draw the big money. But because wrestling is a TV show now instead of a live event in order to get over the idea of the match you need to give the viewers enough false hope to setup the match that Rusev is going to win. So in months of non match segments we've seen Rusev sell the pain of the patriot lock, be punched out,choked slammed,world's strongest slammed and probably some other things. Yes he attacked Zeb but that was after months of him getting beat up and beat up. Plus look at how many of his matches have been booked. Take Summerslam where Rusev sells the patriot lock and beat his opponent while he was injured. That's a babyface thing. I get that he's a heel and I don't really like him as a character but just observing the whole thing seems odd to me.
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Post by BigWill on Dec 11, 2014 18:55:16 GMT -5
It's funny how this forum loves to try and justify everything a evil heel does, but the minute a face does something that isn't stereotypical babyface behavior, they get called out on it.
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Post by gr1990 on Dec 11, 2014 19:30:20 GMT -5
Vince: Well, the audience would never get behind him as a babyface. He's way too Bulgarian!
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Post by sportatorium on Dec 11, 2014 19:30:22 GMT -5
Jingoism in 2014 feels very tired. That said, Rusev as a monster heel working for a smarmy manager would be beyond awesome. The guy should be/is their top heel right now. I would love to see Brock turn face/tweener & drop the belt to Rusev.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Dec 11, 2014 19:55:37 GMT -5
Lana's just too corny and weird for me to side with her.
As far as Rusev, I just feel bad that he can't be from Bulgaria again.
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