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Post by MAD TITAN on Nov 27, 2014 5:32:19 GMT -5
It disturbs me to hear allegations of WWE still being run like this in regard to health and working conditions. They are a publicly traded company that has lost so many ex-employees at a young age (2007 being the obvious tipping point) yet according to Punk (and this is just his side of the story) even the bigger stars are being run into the ground like this. Actually perhaps that last point isn't surprising at all when we consider how much time off Cena has had compared to what was expected for his injuries over the years, but I still thought they were past being run like that to that extent. So weird, since I don't see John Cena crying. I think it's fair to say he's worked longer and harder than CM Punk. Why isn't John Cena bitching? Sure, he's making more money, but health-wise, isn't WWE destroying his body too? So weird how Cena stays silent about it and, well, that he continues to DO it. Man, he's a slave to the corporate machine apparently..... Yeah, we all know 300+ days a year is gruelling for ANYONE. That wasn't a newsflash by any means. But gee, yep, who knew, not every human body handles it the same way. Huh. I just think everyone has a way to go about their business.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Nov 27, 2014 5:35:09 GMT -5
So weird, since I don't see John Cena crying. I think it's fair to say he's worked longer and harder than CM Punk. Why isn't John Cena bitching? Sure, he's making more money, but health-wise, isn't WWE destroying his body too? So weird how Cena stays silent about it and, well, that he continues to DO it. Man, he's a slave to the corporate machine apparently..... Yeah, we all know 300+ days a year is gruelling for ANYONE. That wasn't a newsflash by any means. But gee, yep, who knew, not every human body handles it the same way. Huh. What did Punk say when he active? Bingo. Also, Cena has made it clear wrestling is his life. He sacrificed his marriage for it, spends his days off obsessing about it, and will likely still be wrestling long after his body can no longer handle it. He's Kurt Angle without the substance abuse. Punk has no such hangups. Wrestling was his great passion, but it wasn't his entire life.
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Post by RedDevil on Nov 27, 2014 5:36:02 GMT -5
It disturbs me to hear allegations of WWE still being run like this in regard to health and working conditions. They are a publicly traded company that has lost so many ex-employees at a young age (2007 being the obvious tipping point) yet according to Punk (and this is just his side of the story) even the bigger stars are being run into the ground like this. Actually perhaps that last point isn't surprising at all when we consider how much time off Cena has had compared to what was expected for his injuries over the years, but I still thought they were past being run like that to that extent. So weird, since I don't see John Cena crying. I think it's fair to say he's worked longer and harder than CM Punk. Why isn't John Cena bitching? Sure, he's making more money, but health-wise, isn't WWE destroying his body too? So weird how Cena stays silent about it and, well, that he continues to DO it. Man, he's a slave to the corporate machine apparently..... Yeah, we all know 300+ days a year is gruelling for ANYONE. That wasn't a newsflash by any means. But gee, yep, who knew, not every human body handles it the same way. Huh. Cena does seem to be a special kind of freak the way he keeps working and going; I doubt he's the norm when it comes to injuries. My point is more that at a time when the business has never been more open, we now hear some pretty shocking stuff about how they approach medical issues. Given that the medical team have been hugely credited for saving Lawler, and regularly are shown on Total Divas caring for the talent, I'm amazed if they treat a top guy's health in the manner described by Punk. It's just asking for trouble apart from anything else.
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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on Nov 27, 2014 5:36:34 GMT -5
He says "I was suspended for two months. I checked the dates, my suspension ended the day after WrestleMania, ok so I'm missing Mania" Doesn't sound like a guy who quit. Did he show back up for work the day after WM? They had a show. I watched it. Wasn't there also something in there about Vince texting him and asking him if he was ready to come back to work? Surely you realize that he made it 100 percent clear that he wasn't coming back. He told them that. There are HR procedures, almost surely outlined in the contract, that have to be followed: someone quits performing their end of the contract, you suspend them and if they don't come back to work after that then you have to legally notify them that you consider the contract terminated with them in breach. When you walk out on your job in January and don't return by June, you have quit. A thing is what it is, it is not something else -- someone stops coming to work and doesn't return, they have quit. Fired is the word Punk used. The letter they sent probably used the word terminated (in reference to the contract) because you cannot fire a non-employee. He quit and they served legal notice that they weren't going to pay him anymore. Vince texted him a week after he left. And Punk was still hurt, it's not like he just said "nah I don't feel like it". I think there's a clear difference between Punk going to Raw, saying he's too hurt to work and going home and just outright not showing up for work. The fact Punk had a potentially fatal staff infection should be a testament to that. If WWE doesn't tell Punk to show up, why would he? WWE tell you which shows they want you at, you go there and work. If Punk wasn't told to be there, he shouldn't have to be there. Punk also tried to contact WWE several times (okay mostly about royalties and such) but WWE either outright ignored him or blew him off. The whole situation isn't comparable to a "normal" job as you tried to compare it to in a previous post because like you said, Punk was not an employee of WWE like you would be at your job. "Surely you realize that he made it 100 percent clear that he wasn't coming back. He told them that." I'm sorry, I didn't realise you were there when it happened....
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Post by Sparvid on Nov 27, 2014 5:39:05 GMT -5
"What about Le-aah-ki?"
Who's Le-ahh-ki? Oh! Yeah, that probably does make more sense than "Leaky"
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Post by Hobby Drifter on Nov 27, 2014 5:45:17 GMT -5
So many people in the business say the "smarks online don't know what they're talking about, but Punk's comments on the podcast are, word-for-word what a *lot* of people on this board (and elsewhere) have been saying.
Fantastic interview. Really looking forward to the follow up. Definitely gonna subscribe (and buy a shirt!)
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Post by Slammy Award-Winning Cannibal on Nov 27, 2014 5:49:58 GMT -5
So weird, since I don't see John Cena crying. I think it's fair to say he's worked longer and harder than CM Punk. Why isn't John Cena bitching? Sure, he's making more money, but health-wise, isn't WWE destroying his body too? So weird how Cena stays silent about it and, well, that he continues to DO it. Man, he's a slave to the corporate machine apparently..... Yeah, we all know 300+ days a year is gruelling for ANYONE. That wasn't a newsflash by any means. But gee, yep, who knew, not every human body handles it the same way. Huh. Cena does seem to be a special kind of freak the way he keeps working and going; I doubt he's the norm when it comes to injuries. My point is more that at a time when the business has never been more open, we now hear some pretty shocking stuff about how they approach medical issues. Given that the medical team have been hugely credited for saving Lawler, and regularly are shown on Total Divas caring for the talent, I'm amazed if they treat a top guy's health in the manner described by Punk. It's just asking for trouble apart from anything else. Right, well colour me skeptical. It's always interesting how everyone is always at fault except CM Punk.
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Post by Evil Homer on Nov 27, 2014 5:52:33 GMT -5
this podcast is bought to you by wwe 2k15. , I cant be the only one that laughed at that . Its shocking to hear that Punk didnt actually quit , & Actually might have been open to return the night after mania which would have been huge , Also that he came up with the idea of the shield and Hunter making it his own, I also love the fact he gave props to Daniel Bryan . Firing a man on his wedding day is a real shitty move by the wwe , they should have been diplomatic about it & it would have left the door open for him to at least appear on a show to give a farewell pipebomb. I would love for an interview with HHH & Vince telling there side of the story
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Post by Bungle on Nov 27, 2014 5:55:45 GMT -5
Everybody ready to hate The Ryback again?
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Post by sdoyle7798 on Nov 27, 2014 5:55:56 GMT -5
You know, this talk about the lump on Punk's back being MSRA just made me think...
We all saw that lump on Kane's back at SurSer...
That said, I think Kane is smart enough, well off enough, and, TBH, far enough down the card, that he would get it taken care of if it was MSRA.
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Post by Evil Homer on Nov 27, 2014 5:57:30 GMT -5
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Nov 27, 2014 6:05:58 GMT -5
On one hand, I want to listen to this. On the other, it hasn't turned up in my iTunes yet, and I kinda want to save it for the gym so I have something to listen to later.
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Post by saintpat on Nov 27, 2014 6:51:52 GMT -5
Did he show back up for work the day after WM? They had a show. I watched it. Wasn't there also something in there about Vince texting him and asking him if he was ready to come back to work? Surely you realize that he made it 100 percent clear that he wasn't coming back. He told them that. There are HR procedures, almost surely outlined in the contract, that have to be followed: someone quits performing their end of the contract, you suspend them and if they don't come back to work after that then you have to legally notify them that you consider the contract terminated with them in breach. When you walk out on your job in January and don't return by June, you have quit. A thing is what it is, it is not something else -- someone stops coming to work and doesn't return, they have quit. Fired is the word Punk used. The letter they sent probably used the word terminated (in reference to the contract) because you cannot fire a non-employee. He quit and they served legal notice that they weren't going to pay him anymore. Vince texted him a week after he left. And Punk was still hurt, it's not like he just said "nah I don't feel like it". I think there's a clear difference between Punk going to Raw, saying he's too hurt to work and going home and just outright not showing up for work. The fact Punk had a potentially fatal staff infection should be a testament to that. If WWE doesn't tell Punk to show up, why would he? WWE tell you which shows they want you at, you go there and work. If Punk wasn't told to be there, he shouldn't have to be there. Punk also tried to contact WWE several times (okay mostly about royalties and such) but WWE either outright ignored him or blew him off. The whole situation isn't comparable to a "normal" job as you tried to compare it to in a previous post because like you said, Punk was not an employee of WWE like you would be at your job. "Surely you realize that he made it 100 percent clear that he wasn't coming back. He told them that." I'm sorry, I didn't realise you were there when it happened.... No, I wasn't there. CM Punk was. I'm taking him at his word. Did you listen to the podcast? Did you get anything out of that which indicated he had any intention of returning?
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Nov 27, 2014 6:56:42 GMT -5
Just finally got a copy. Will listen to it later. But I doubt it will change my opinion on Punk. I am of the mind that he finally realized his prima donna ways were not going to work in WWE,so he took his ball and went home.
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Post by radiantsilvergun on Nov 27, 2014 6:58:50 GMT -5
Him calling D Bry Dragon was pretty heartwarming :')
Cool stuff. The only sketchy part was when he said he hated professional wrestling at the end. You can just tell the guy still loves DIZ BUSINESS and always will, but of course the E drove him out of it. Sad to see how dat organic passion can be stripped away.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2014 7:02:38 GMT -5
Punk is a moron if he hates all of pro wrestling, in all companies, in all countries, because he had a nightmare in WWE. I can only assume he is meaning WWE and just said wrestling instead.
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Post by Psychoblue on Nov 27, 2014 7:03:03 GMT -5
That stuff about the staph infection is absolutely chilling. Imagine if he had died on WWE's watch, and it was found that they neglected to remove the ball of disease. THAT could have killed the business right there. That, and the concussion tests possibly being fabricated makes me wonder if there's something really shady going on with WWE's doctors. The doctors sound like absolute bullshit and are only there to keep up appearances. MVP would attest otherwise to that.
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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on Nov 27, 2014 7:03:24 GMT -5
Vince texted him a week after he left. And Punk was still hurt, it's not like he just said "nah I don't feel like it". I think there's a clear difference between Punk going to Raw, saying he's too hurt to work and going home and just outright not showing up for work. The fact Punk had a potentially fatal staff infection should be a testament to that. If WWE doesn't tell Punk to show up, why would he? WWE tell you which shows they want you at, you go there and work. If Punk wasn't told to be there, he shouldn't have to be there. Punk also tried to contact WWE several times (okay mostly about royalties and such) but WWE either outright ignored him or blew him off. The whole situation isn't comparable to a "normal" job as you tried to compare it to in a previous post because like you said, Punk was not an employee of WWE like you would be at your job. "Surely you realize that he made it 100 percent clear that he wasn't coming back. He told them that." I'm sorry, I didn't realise you were there when it happened.... No, I wasn't there. CM Punk was. I'm taking him at his word. Did you listen to the podcast? Did you get anything out of that which indicated he had any intention of returning? It was already pointed out but you seemed to ignore it so here it is again: "...my suspension ended the day after WrestleMania, ok so I'm missing Mania" Why would he even think like that if he was gone? Why would he care about a meaningless suspension or missing WrestleMania when he'd be missing every WM for the rest of his life if he quit?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2014 7:04:57 GMT -5
No, I wasn't there. CM Punk was. I'm taking him at his word. Did you listen to the podcast? Did you get anything out of that which indicated he had any intention of returning? It was already pointed out but you seemed to ignore it so here it is again: "...my suspension ended the day after WrestleMania, ok so I'm missing Mania" Why would he even think like that if he was gone? Why would he care about a meaningless suspension or missing WrestleMania when he'd be missing every WM for the rest of his life if he quit? I assume the suspension would be without pay so regardless of working or not, he knows he isn't getting the biggest pay day.
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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on Nov 27, 2014 7:07:32 GMT -5
Punk is a moron if he hates all of pro wrestling, in all companies, in all countries, because he had a nightmare in WWE. I can only assume he is meaning WWE and just said wrestling instead. No, I'm sure he means wrestling. I had some bad chicken a little while back and now I'm not liking chicken so much. I know it was just a bad experience one time with a specific place but it puts you off the whole concept. I imagine that's how it is with Punk right now. I'm sure he won't feel that way forever.
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