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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Nov 28, 2014 19:24:21 GMT -5
These guys have to get booked in order to prove WWE wrong. They aren't getting booked, and WWE won't even cut them just because they don't want TNA to scoop them up (despite the fact that TNA will never be a threat to them). They just want to hoard as many wrestlers as they can so no one else can have them even though they aren't going to use all of them. WWE should at the least, allow their talents to work Indy shows (at least for promotions run by guys they can trust) if they aren't going to be used. And if not, they should just release them. Don't waste their prime years paying them to sit at home and waiting until they're old and washed up to cut them. It would've saved a lot of guys a lot of heartache if they had been cuT in 2010, 2011 or 2012 when WWE made the decision that these guys weren't going to be stars for them rather than waiting until they were forced to cut them via the Network not living up to Vince's inflated expectations. These guys DO need to put in the work, but no one can actually earn anything if the opportunity isn't there. Hell, They have to actually have past glories to live off of past glories. WWE doesn't give a hot damn about not firing folks because TNA might sign them. If WWE wants to fire the entire undercard, they will do it and not think twice. WWE isn't going to allow their contracted wrestlers to work in the indies and international. Especially after the IWA Puerto Rico fiasco where Tiger Ali Singh suffered a career ending injury because the promotion decided to hold matches in pouring rain. WWE isn't going to send their guys elsewhere to take the chance to get hurt. TNA does because they don't pay enough to make talent exclusive to the company. Even ECW was very picky on who and where did their folks performed at. If Justin Gabriel tears his ACL while wrestling in PWG, WWE isn't obligated to help him out because it didn't happen on their time. WWE isn't going to fire folks because the Net thinks they would do better elsewhere. If WWE listen to the Net, Dolph Ziggler would had been fired years ago. Kenny Omega quit WWE years ago and his career didn't suffer not one bit. He didn't set around and bitch about his time in WWE. He went out there and prove WWE wrong and became a success. Not everyone will get a chance to shine. Plenty NFL football players ride the bench most of their brief careers and probably only play 5 times a year. If that. They get hired because WWE sees something in them. Some get to show off their skills. Others head to the showers and the exit. Well they should atart doing it. Why should talents suffer because of one promotion's boneheaded decision? If Justin Gabriel tears his ACL in PWG, at least he would be doing so in a match where he could show off his talents and prove to the fanbase that he might actually be a good wrestler. Kenny Omega became a success BECAUSE he left. If he stayed maybe he'd be showing up on Supersars once in a blue moon and putting over NXT guys. Nobody said that any performer should bitch about their time in WWE. Just that WWE needs to use them or cut them so they can actually go out into the indies or international and become a success. Don't pay dudes to sit at home while their prime athletic years waste away. Let them do the work. If they see something in a guy, use them. If they don't, cut them. No one should ride the bench BECAUSE they have potential.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Nov 28, 2014 19:45:27 GMT -5
WWE doesn't give a hot damn about not firing folks because TNA might sign them. If WWE wants to fire the entire undercard, they will do it and not think twice. WWE isn't going to allow their contracted wrestlers to work in the indies and international. Especially after the IWA Puerto Rico fiasco where Tiger Ali Singh suffered a career ending injury because the promotion decided to hold matches in pouring rain. WWE isn't going to send their guys elsewhere to take the chance to get hurt. TNA does because they don't pay enough to make talent exclusive to the company. Even ECW was very picky on who and where did their folks performed at. If Justin Gabriel tears his ACL while wrestling in PWG, WWE isn't obligated to help him out because it didn't happen on their time. WWE isn't going to fire folks because the Net thinks they would do better elsewhere. If WWE listen to the Net, Dolph Ziggler would had been fired years ago. Kenny Omega quit WWE years ago and his career didn't suffer not one bit. He didn't set around and bitch about his time in WWE. He went out there and prove WWE wrong and became a success. Not everyone will get a chance to shine. Plenty NFL football players ride the bench most of their brief careers and probably only play 5 times a year. If that. They get hired because WWE sees something in them. Some get to show off their skills. Others head to the showers and the exit. Well they should atart doing it. Why should talents suffer because of one promotion's boneheaded decision? If Justin Gabriel tears his ACL in PWG, at least he would be doing so in a match where he could show off his talents and prove to the fanbase that he might actually be a good wrestler. Kenny Omega became a success BECAUSE he left. If he stayed maybe he'd be showing up on Supersars once in a blue moon and putting over NXT guys. Nobody said that any performer should bitch about their time in WWE. Just that WWE needs to use them or cut them so they can actually go out into the indies or international and become a success. Don't pay dudes to sit at home while their prime athletic years waste away. Let them do the work. If they see something in a guy, use them. If they don't, cut them. No one should ride the bench BECAUSE they have potential. If you join WWE, you know what you are getting yourself into. You know you can either succeed or become a footnote. Is that fanbase going to pay for Justin's surgery and bills if he got hurt? No because he don't have a vagina and Amazon wish list. He's assed out. Omega did what you are talking about. He felt he could do better elsewhere and left. He could had stayed and took a chance on being a star. WWE isn't going to fire folks because someone on the Net hates how they are being booked. Cesaro worked like hell to get to WWE finally. He's not going to quit because he got to job to Ziggler in 5 minutes. When WWE does fire the "underutilized" talents, folks here bitch about that instead of seeing it as a chance for them to grow as a wrestler. And you must not be a sports fan because teams sign folks all the time just to ride the pine. It would be great for WWE to use everybody but they won't. They didn't do it during Hogan's time. They not going to do it now.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2014 19:58:47 GMT -5
Something I haven't seen mentioned, but is probably one of the biggest concerns, is the obvious. How many guys are ready and willing to pack up their things, and move to the opposite side of the world? It's a completly different culture, a totally foreign language, the whole bit. Maybe for younger guys, or those without families, that's something that could be exciting. But, I'm guessing it's a non starter for quite a few people, right off the top. Japan more-or-less has a three weeks on, three weeks off schedule. Most non-Japanese wrestlers don't move to Japan, they just fly back home between tours and probably see more of their family than WWE guys.
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Post by chrom on Nov 28, 2014 20:47:01 GMT -5
Something I haven't seen mentioned, but is probably one of the biggest concerns, is the obvious. How many guys are ready and willing to pack up their things, and move to the opposite side of the world? It's a completly different culture, a totally foreign language, the whole bit. Maybe for younger guys, or those without families, that's something that could be exciting. But, I'm guessing it's a non starter for quite a few people, right off the top. Japan more-or-less has a three weeks on, three weeks off schedule. Most non-Japanese wrestlers don't move to Japan, they just fly back home between tours and probably see more of their family than WWE guys. Correct, Wrestling in Japan doesn't have weekly shows. They have Tours, which last a couple weeks and usually three or four shows a week. So a guy like Lance Archer can go there and work the two week tour at Korakeun and other events and then head back home to the states and do some local indies and spend time with his family.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Nov 28, 2014 21:48:45 GMT -5
It's not just New Japan or Japan in general. AJ Styles openly admitted in his shoots that he hadn't followed the indies since he became full time at TNA and was shocked to see how professional and how good of a living you can make nnow compared to when he was last an indy wrestler. Now it's not all good but I've heard several former WWE guys openly admit how shocked they were by their success since getting fired. Guys like Trent? and Drew Galloway have already in an short time rebuilt their images and their brands are actually better now than they were as jobbers in WWE. Hell Galloway did a radio interview about a month ago and talked about how he was getting so many offers for projects now that he wasn't under the WWE's umbrella.
AJ even admitted in his shoot he was hoping that wrestlers would learn that WWE and TNA don't have to be the end all to determine yourself as a success. Now that's not to say guys shouldn't aim for WWE, but more people are learning that you don't have to give up everything just to say you were there. Look at the recent top signings of Steen, Devitt, and KENTA. All could walk away tomorrow and not be hurting financially... hell I'm pretty sure Kenta and Devitt took massive paycuts
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Post by N E O G E O B O Y S on Nov 28, 2014 22:57:43 GMT -5
At timeI think that some wrestlers enjoy to be in the WWE even if the pays are not good. They could say that they wrestle in the top compny of the world, travel around the world for tours, and other things that you will not get in the indies or njpw (in the same scale}
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2014 23:18:44 GMT -5
Is it annoying for the wrestlers to convert from Yen to USD (high FOREX fees or waiting times/level of bank service)? Or do they get paid straight in USD directly?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2014 23:28:23 GMT -5
Is it annoying for the wrestlers to convert from Yen to USD (high FOREX fees or waiting times/level of bank service)? Or do they get paid straight in USD directly? For their sake I hope they get paid in USD. The yen's value has dropped considerably recently.
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Post by radiantsilvergun on Nov 29, 2014 0:50:23 GMT -5
Once upon a time, I dreamed about being a pro wrestler and a significant portion of that dream was to wrestle in Japan. </hijack> What happened?? The dream (delusion?) is still alive for me.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2014 23:54:41 GMT -5
I know Teddy Hart has a decent house in Sherwood Park and it's not exactly cheap living here.
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Dec 1, 2014 0:46:10 GMT -5
I know Teddy Hart has a decent house in Sherwood Park and it's not exactly cheap living here. He's also in the cat business.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 2, 2014 19:41:17 GMT -5
I know Teddy Hart has a decent house in Sherwood Park and it's not exactly cheap living here. He got kickbacks by selling out Robin Hood to the Sheriff. He's a bad man.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2014 19:50:55 GMT -5
If they continue expanding and gaining ground in the U.S. they can become a place guys will chose them over WWE.
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 2, 2014 20:02:05 GMT -5
It's not just New Japan or Japan in general. AJ Styles openly admitted in his shoots that he hadn't followed the indies since he became full time at TNA and was shocked to see how professional and how good of a living you can make nnow compared to when he was last an indy wrestler. Now it's not all good but I've heard several former WWE guys openly admit how shocked they were by their success since getting fired. Guys like Trent? and Drew Galloway have already in an short time rebuilt their images and their brands are actually better now than they were as jobbers in WWE. Hell Galloway did a radio interview about a month ago and talked about how he was getting so many offers for projects now that he wasn't under the WWE's umbrella. AJ even admitted in his shoot he was hoping that wrestlers would learn that WWE and TNA don't have to be the end all to determine yourself as a success. Now that's not to say guys shouldn't aim for WWE, but more people are learning that you don't have to give up everything just to say you were there. Look at the recent top signings of Steen, Devitt, and KENTA. All could walk away tomorrow and not be hurting financially... hell I'm pretty sure Kenta and Devitt took massive paycuts Interesting stuff, and it makes sense: back when AJ and guys of the early '00s generation were on the indies, the industry had been completely rocked by the falls of WCW and ECW, the subsequent end of the Monday Night Wars era, and the very, VERY rapid shrinking of pro wrestling's popularity in North America as a result. One of the reasons ROH exists at all was that it began as a means to fill the void left by ECW, and had more money behind it than most of its peer indie companies of the time...and it was basically the biggest indie on the scene overnight. Fast forward over a decade, and the scene is totally different, and has grown and molded itself around a reality where WWE is the "only big game in town" (TNA, again, only serving as a big game for a select few guys who got long term contracts). The industry has grown and developed itself in the new context and reality, and a lot of companies have managed to grow their images and stock in those years since the end of WCW and ECW. Obviously there are still indies out there that'll pay you $50 for an appearance if you're lucky, but there's definitely more options out there that can be a decent booking price than existed circa 2002.
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