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Post by SUPES on Jul 1, 2015 19:11:43 GMT -5
Good luck with that. The squeeze is starting. Are you suggesting I'll be..."Tempted?" I love it because it's forcing ROH to step its game up. The SBG/Cornette combined hybrid of Smokey Mountain penny-pinching terror was f***ing unacceptable. It was also three years ago. You don't think ROH is already leaps-and-bounds better than it was in, say, this point of 2012? Whatever it takes to make sure that NEVER happens again makes me happy.
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Post by chazraps on Jul 1, 2015 19:21:18 GMT -5
Are you suggesting I'll be..."Tempted?" It was also three years ago. You don't think ROH is already leaps-and-bounds better than it was in, say, this point of 2012? Whatever it takes to make sure that NEVER happens again makes me happy. I really think we're out of the woods in that regard. The company's really been listening to fans lately and been producing a wholly unique, alternative product that's definitively wrestling, with so many elements of what makes wrestling so great. The roster's being utilized, the match-ups feel fresh, the characters feel defined and the overall vibe of the company just feels so current. I really think ROH is doing what they need to be doing now that they have a national stage.
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Post by SUPES on Jul 1, 2015 19:31:43 GMT -5
There's still one key ingredient missing:
Some long-term, highly buzzworthy grudge feuds that have a clear beginning, middle, and genuinely climatic conclusion that is highly, highly anticipated.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Jul 1, 2015 19:45:15 GMT -5
Literally the only thing I care about at this point is that Dalton Castle shows up in Atlanta in August.
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Post by AdamAFL was sooooo wrong on Jul 1, 2015 20:17:53 GMT -5
There's still one key ingredient missing: Some long-term, highly buzzworthy grudge feuds that have a clear beginning, middle, and genuinely climatic conclusion that is highly, highly anticipated. I'd say Briscoe/Lethal ticked all of those boxes. And I can't believe I'm saying that about something involving Jay Briscoe. ROH may not be where it was in 2006 but this isn't the golden age of the independent scene anymore and I've said for months now that ROH is currently the most consistently excellent promotion in wrestling. I see no reason to be concerned.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jul 1, 2015 20:20:50 GMT -5
There's still one key ingredient missing: Some long-term, highly buzzworthy grudge feuds that have a clear beginning, middle, and genuinely climatic conclusion that is highly, highly anticipated. I'd say Briscoe/Lethal ticked all of those boxes. And I can't believe I'm saying that about something involving Jay Briscoe. ROH may not be where it was in 2006 but this isn't the golden age of the independent scene anymore and I've said for months now that ROH is currently the most consistently excellent promotion in wrestling. I see no reason to be concerned. I think reDRagon vs. Addiction is there as well.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jul 1, 2015 20:23:11 GMT -5
I love ROH right now. It's everything I want out of pro-wrestling and more. Thank You, Based Delirious.
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Post by AdamAFL was sooooo wrong on Jul 1, 2015 20:23:53 GMT -5
I'd say Briscoe/Lethal ticked all of those boxes. And I can't believe I'm saying that about something involving Jay Briscoe. ROH may not be where it was in 2006 but this isn't the golden age of the independent scene anymore and I've said for months now that ROH is currently the most consistently excellent promotion in wrestling. I see no reason to be concerned. I think reDRagon vs. Addiction is there as well. That too. And I legitimately want to see reDRagon destroy The Addiction, and I love Kaz and Daniels*. It's part of what I love so much about ROH right now. I like so much of their roster that I actively root for the babyface's most of the time because almost everybody is entertaining. * DISCLAIMER - It does help in that scenario that I've said for the past year or so that reDRagon are the best tag team in the world so that may not be a fair example.
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Post by AdamAFL was sooooo wrong on Jul 1, 2015 20:25:18 GMT -5
I love ROH right now. It's everything I want out of pro-wrestling and more. Thank You, Based Delirious. Or Based Hunter 2.0 depending on how smarky you want to get
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2015 23:02:48 GMT -5
I love ROH right now. It's everything I want out of pro-wrestling and more. Thank You, Based Delirious. The Styles/Cole match on the TV show tonight was damn good. It took all the athleticism and flash we're accustomed to but had some meat behind it, and some true creativity. The finish was awesome.
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Post by vinnie245 on Jul 1, 2015 23:42:47 GMT -5
There's still one key ingredient missing: Some long-term, highly buzzworthy grudge feuds that have a clear beginning, middle, and genuinely climatic conclusion that is highly, highly anticipated. I'd say Briscoe/Lethal ticked all of those boxes. And I can't believe I'm saying that about something involving Jay Briscoe. ROH may not be where it was in 2006 but this isn't the golden age of the independent scene anymore and I've said for months now that ROH is currently the most consistently excellent promotion in wrestling. I see no reason to be concerned. Jay Briscoe vs Adam Cole was a good grudge feud as well imo.
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Post by OldDirtyBernie on Jul 2, 2015 0:40:10 GMT -5
Briscoe/Cole was a damn good example of a fairly long story that was done very well. I thought they did well in how they vacated the title with Briscoe's injury and got it on Cole, etc etc.
The only three nitpicks I can really think of are - While the roster they have is used well, it can get repetitive at times(personal opinion.) I honestly think this really can't be addressed until they grow a bit more and/or get some more money behind them so I don't really fault them for it necessarily, as I reiterate that most talent IS used well. They've built Moose up wonderfully without hotshotting him. This also kind of leads to my second nitpick, which I also can't really hold against them...keeping that talent. Again, they try to keep their talent but it seems that anyone who is successful in ROH these days is eventually signed to NXT , etc. Again, this could be remedied if they grew enough and got enough money to sign more people to long-term contracts. It just sucks to see someone become so successful and back the product then, poof...they're gone.
And finally, to contradict my last point just a little bit...I think ROH could do a better job with guys AFTER they've won the title, or even once they've been there a very long time. I don't know if anyone else feels this way but it just seems to me that after either of those things happen the guys just seem to get stagnant a lot of times. However, I'm saying this as a non-booker and a guy that, although I try to keep up with the product because I enjoy it, I don't get enough time to watch very regularly. So this is all to be taken lightly.
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Post by SUPES on Jul 2, 2015 1:46:37 GMT -5
I'd say Briscoe/Lethal ticked all of those boxes. And I can't believe I'm saying that about something involving Jay Briscoe. ROH may not be where it was in 2006 but this isn't the golden age of the independent scene anymore and I've said for months now that ROH is currently the most consistently excellent promotion in wrestling. I see no reason to be concerned. Jay Briscoe vs Adam Cole was a good grudge feud as well imo. Nobody was absolutely salivating to see any of their matches, nor did any of them become known as consensus classics afterwards. Have the Addiction and reDRagon even had a classic match or moment yet? Every feud mentioned was done better under Sapolsky or Pearce. Briscoe vs. Lethal? I'll go with Danielson vs. McGuinness III. Briscoe vs. Cole? I'll go with Steen vs. Generico. Addiction vs. reDRagon? I'll go with Briscoes vs. Steen/Generico.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Jul 2, 2015 2:16:28 GMT -5
Jay Briscoe vs Adam Cole was a good grudge feud as well imo. Nobody was absolutely salivating to see any of their matches, nor did any of them become known as consensus classics afterwards. Have the Addiction and reDRagon even had a classic match or moment yet? Every feud mentioned was done better under Sapolsky or Pearce. Briscoe vs. Lethal? I'll go with Danielson vs. McGuinness III. Briscoe vs. Cole? I'll go with Steen vs. Generico. Addiction vs. reDRagon? I'll go with Briscoes vs. Steen/Generico. just because you weren't doesn't mean nobody was
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Jul 2, 2015 2:25:38 GMT -5
New merch rollout (and they're getting into WWE random merch territory): Ring of Honor "USA" shirt (sizes S - 4XL) Ring of Honor water bottle Ring of Honor shot glass Ring of Honor backpack Ring of Honor USB car charger also:
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Post by SUPES on Jul 2, 2015 3:03:20 GMT -5
Nobody was absolutely salivating to see any of their matches, nor did any of them become known as consensus classics afterwards. Have the Addiction and reDRagon even had a classic match or moment yet? Every feud mentioned was done better under Sapolsky or Pearce. Briscoe vs. Lethal? I'll go with Danielson vs. McGuinness III. Briscoe vs. Cole? I'll go with Steen vs. Generico. Addiction vs. reDRagon? I'll go with Briscoes vs. Steen/Generico. just because you weren't doesn't mean nobody was Briscoe vs. Lethal had the anticipation, the others didn't. Unless of course you can show me the mass hype surrounding those matchups that I must've somehow missed despite being on several forums and social media numerous times daily, listening to several podcasts weekly, and being an Observer subscriber. If anything, I keep seeing that the Addiction vs. reDRagon matches have all been a bit disappointing. The Briscoe vs. Cole ladder match is quite polarizing too and as someone who saw it live, there's good reason for that.
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Post by AdamAFL was sooooo wrong on Jul 2, 2015 5:17:48 GMT -5
Nobody was absolutely salivating to see any of their matches, nor did any of them become known as consensus classics afterwards. Have the Addiction and reDRagon even had a classic match or moment yet? Every feud mentioned was done better under Sapolsky or Pearce. Briscoe vs. Lethal? I'll go with Danielson vs. McGuinness III. Briscoe vs. Cole? I'll go with Steen vs. Generico. Addiction vs. reDRagon? I'll go with Briscoes vs. Steen/Generico. You're mistaking the point though. Nobody is saying Lethal/Briscoe is as good as Nigel/Dragon was. As previously stated this isn't the golden era of the indies anymore sadly. And I find it ironic to see you mention Steen/Generico which, while that particular story is better than anything ROH is producing currently, I'd say the product as a whole is in way better shape now than it was in 2010. I'm not sure what else ROH can do really, they couldn't exactly stop their talent leaving for WWE etc. They couldn't keep a hold of Pearce, Cornette or Gabe because by the end of their respective runs none of them were producing anything noteworthy. Gabe, in particular, had completely lost it - and looking at EVOLVE/DGUSA he's never recovered it. Briscoe vs. Lethal had the anticipation, the others didn't. Unless of course you can show me the mass hype surrounding those matchups that I must've somehow missed despite being on several forums and social media numerous times daily, listening to several podcasts weekly, and being an Observer subscriber. If anything, I keep seeing that the Addiction vs. reDRagon matches have all been a bit disappointing. The Briscoe vs. Cole ladder match is quite polarizing too and as someone who saw it live, there's good reason for that. I think Briscoe/Lethal is the most I've seen ROH fans excited for anything ever in terms of sheer numbers. The company right now has more fans than ever and every single one I saw/heard was salivating at the thought of Lethal/Briscoe. I agree the reDRagon/Addiction matches haven't hit top notch yet but be patient. The tag title change was more about the story of the KRD reveal (although it was still a very good match), O'Reilly vs. Sabin was very good too & Kyle vs. both members of the Addiction at the post-Global Wars TV Tapings was all kinds of awesome and made Kyle look like a star. The story is really well woven but they've just had one dull match (Best in the World) and it's soured a few people. I have faith in them to turn it around though, the story is already great and those four are capable of some stellar matches. As for Ladder War V I honestly think it was the best since the original. II was all about Eddie's amazing will and heart but it wasn't great. III wasn't great either. And IV was weak for a Steen/Generico match - their ladder match in PWG pisses all over this one. V was great though and would've been a great conclusion to a really well written story if fate hadn't intervened and they'd ended up having one more match at Final Battle.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2015 7:29:30 GMT -5
I'll ask it here since ROH is where I've mainly watched him at, and I found myself wondering it while watching this week's show off my DVR this morning.
Am I, like, missing something with Okada? I'm not quite understanding the hype with him, mostly as it relates to how he plays his gimmick. This has kind of been bugging me ever since my first exposure to him really - what, exactly, is the gimmick supposed to be? It seems like some over-the-top flamboyant playboy millionaire or something, except the guy just seems really, really bored, or possibly embarrassed. Is this just kind of a not putting his all into it in the US thing? Is the idea that he's supposed to be really aloof and casual about it? I just don't get it.
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Post by Steveweiser on Jul 2, 2015 12:39:26 GMT -5
Briscoes vs. Roppongi Vice added to DBD.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2015 12:59:16 GMT -5
I'll ask it here since ROH is where I've mainly watched him at, and I found myself wondering it while watching this week's show off my DVR this morning. Am I, like, missing something with Okada? I'm not quite understanding the hype with him, mostly as it relates to how he plays his gimmick. This has kind of been bugging me ever since my first exposure to him really - what, exactly, is the gimmick supposed to be? It seems like some over-the-top flamboyant playboy millionaire or something, except the guy just seems really, really bored, or possibly embarrassed. Is this just kind of a not putting his all into it in the US thing? Is the idea that he's supposed to be really aloof and casual about it? I just don't get it. Okada's gimmick is basically that in his mind he's so damn good it's boring for him. He thinks he's on a completely different level from everyone else, winning is easy for him. After a big win you expect athletes to talk about how hard fought it was and that they were fortune to win, Okada simply declares it was nothing special. Unlike almost everyone else in Japan who had to scratch and claw for many years before reaching the top, Okada won the IWGP Heavyweight title right after he returned from his overseas excursion in TNA. He's cocky and sarcastic but actually has enough of a resume to not come off as a joke like a lot of heels in American wrestling do. The character's been humbled in Japan more recently, mostly from multiple failures against Tanahashi in Tokyo Dome matches. Try seeking out the NJPW show on AXS and watch the pre and post match promos he's done. It'll give you a pretty good idea of what he's about.
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