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Post by mcstoklasa on Dec 5, 2014 4:36:28 GMT -5
Triple H strikes me as guy who isn't really "racist" but makes insensitive racial remarks and thinks everyone should just put up with it because he's just joking around. Where I live, I see it every single day. This. I dont see him as a Hitler type, more of an ignorant type if anything
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Post by Ryushinku on Dec 5, 2014 4:36:45 GMT -5
Ricardo said in a later interview that it was "bumblebee", not the Bumblebee Man as amazing as that would've been, and that Hunter used it for generously proportioned guys that could fly around.
Can't imagine him ever calling Vader a bumblebee, mind.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 5, 2014 5:31:56 GMT -5
Just because he uses a term to describe Hispanics which is also associated with a comical Hispanic character in fiction , booked himself to emerge victorious in a feud with a black man he said was inferior to him on account of his race, and uses Nordic and Germanic symbology as part of his persona, doesn't mean he could be a racist.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Dec 5, 2014 7:23:36 GMT -5
Ricardo said in a later interview that it was "bumblebee", not the Bumblebee Man as amazing as that would've been, and that Hunter used it for generously proportioned guys that could fly around. Can't imagine him ever calling Vader a bumblebee, mind. Except that most Simpsons viewers probably don't even know that the guy is called 'Bumblebee Man.' Most people probably barely know Lenny and Carl.
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Post by nisidhe on Dec 5, 2014 8:49:36 GMT -5
I think that the racism in WWE is largely casual, but I also feel that, once one is called out about it, some sensitivity is required to ensure that the behaviour's not repeated. Defending offensive behaviour as something everyone does, or as a fault of the offended for being sensitive, is not an appropriate response to criticism. Trips knows exactly what he's doing. The problem is that this kind of BS goes on everywhere in the indies as well, and requires a concerted effort from everyone to see it brought to an end.
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Post by Abdullah on Dec 5, 2014 9:15:23 GMT -5
I think that the racism in WWE is largely casual, but I also feel that, once one is called out about it, some sensitivity is required to ensure that the behaviour's not repeated. Defending offensive behaviour as something everyone does, or as a fault of the offended for being sensitive, is not an appropriate response to criticism. Trips knows exactly what he's doing. The problem is that this kind of BS goes on everywhere in the indies as well, and requires a concerted effort from everyone to see it brought to an end. Carlito and MVP had a really telling anecdote about this on MVP's defunct interview show. They, along with Shelton, engaged in racial humor all the time and when it got back to the office, one of the management people was disappointed because "Shelton's the good one." I don't think there's a need to police how people willingly interact. If they're comfortable with it, then fine. What makes Hunter's position questionable is that it's your boss making racial remarks. He should be better than that. I don't think Hunter's a racist either. But on this matter, he seems as out of touch as Vince.
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Post by mcstoklasa on Dec 5, 2014 10:27:55 GMT -5
Just because he uses a term to describe Hispanics which is also associated with a comical Hispanic character in fiction , booked himself to emerge victorious in a feud with a black man he said was inferior to him on account of his race, and uses Nordic and Germanic symbology as part of his persona, doesn't mean he could be a racist. Wha... It's more to do with his whole king of kings/barbarian thing he has going on, in my opinion. And I'm pretty sure he got the iron cross from Motorhead.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 5, 2014 10:40:43 GMT -5
lol
I laugh everytime I see that
Conan the Barbarian with a plastic water bottle.
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 5, 2014 10:46:42 GMT -5
I think that the racism in WWE is largely casual, but I also feel that, once one is called out about it, some sensitivity is required to ensure that the behaviour's not repeated. Defending offensive behaviour as something everyone does, or as a fault of the offended for being sensitive, is not an appropriate response to criticism. Trips knows exactly what he's doing. The problem is that this kind of BS goes on everywhere in the indies as well, and requires a concerted effort from everyone to see it brought to an end. Carlito and MVP had a really telling anecdote about this on MVP's defunct interview show. They, along with Shelton, engaged in racial humor all the time and when it got back to the office, one of the management people was disappointed because "Shelton's the good one." I don't think there's a need to police how people willingly interact. If they're comfortable with it, then fine. What makes Hunter's position questionable is that it's your boss making racial remarks. He should be better than that. I don't think Hunter's a racist either. But on this matter, he seems as out of touch as Vince. Holy crap, that happened? "The good one"? Good Lord, that's bad. I don't know Triple H, haven't heard Ricardo's shoot, can't speak on whether he meant "Bumblebee" as a reference to the Simpsons character, etc., but I agree with the general consensus: a person does not need to be an overt, discriminating racist in order to engage in racist behavior or actions. In addition, context is very, very important. A few years back, around the time Ron Killings left TNA it was reported that he was in a meeting with Jeff Jarrett and a couple other people, and Jarrett told him "Ron, quit being an uppity Negro"; this sounds horrendous, but later reports revealed that Jeff and Ron, said to be good friends, used language like that with each other regularly. Still, if there were other people in the room who didn't know that about them, then it shouldn't have been a surprise that people made a big deal out of it: Jeff, much like Triple H in WWE, was an authority figure in TNA. Unless a boss and his/her employees are on very good terms, it's insanely tone deaf, wrong, and dangerous for somebody in such a position to do that. It sets a tone in the work environment, and makes anybody from the targeted ethnic group feel vulnerable and singled out for insult or possibly worse. This is part of what makes wrestling, especially nowadays, very fascinating: so many guys in charge at these companies are or want to be "one of the boys" (even Vince has almost always had this tendency) that they might feel "Hey, if they're joking like that, then I should get in on it!", without giving a thought to how ignorant that would be.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Dec 5, 2014 10:49:26 GMT -5
I think that the racism in WWE is largely casual, but I also feel that, once one is called out about it, some sensitivity is required to ensure that the behaviour's not repeated. Defending offensive behaviour as something everyone does, or as a fault of the offended for being sensitive, is not an appropriate response to criticism. Trips knows exactly what he's doing. The problem is that this kind of BS goes on everywhere in the indies as well, and requires a concerted effort from everyone to see it brought to an end. Carlito and MVP had a really telling anecdote about this on MVP's defunct interview show. They, along with Shelton, engaged in racial humor all the time and when it got back to the office, one of the management people was disappointed because "Shelton's the good one." I don't think there's a need to police how people willingly interact. If they're comfortable with it, then fine. What makes Hunter's position questionable is that it's your boss making racial remarks. He should be better than that. I don't think Hunter's a racist either. But on this matter, he seems as out of touch as Vince. At the absolute least, HHH should be aware that as the boss, you can't fart around with the locker room as if you're "one of the boys". More is expected of you. Clean, benign, sanitized, bland, stoic, professional behavior is required. No jokes, no teasing. Short and to the point. Serious Business.
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Dec 5, 2014 10:53:03 GMT -5
i misread that as HHH's ratchetness Hmmm, maybe if you tilt your head and squint...
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Post by Angus Mcloud on Dec 5, 2014 11:04:48 GMT -5
In his Shoot Ricardo said it wasn't a race thing. But he did only call Spanish guys Bumblebees (Ricardo, Savio, Super Crazy)
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Post by mcstoklasa on Dec 5, 2014 11:19:42 GMT -5
In his Shoot Ricardo said it wasn't a race thing. But he did only call Spanish guys Bumblebees (Ricardo, Savio, Super Crazy) I didn't know any of them were Spanish...
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Dec 5, 2014 12:23:19 GMT -5
I remember one time on Howard Stern some caller called in and was making some very vicious racist remarks about Wesley Snipes during Blade: Trinity. Hunter was on the show and if I remember correctly threatened to kill the guy.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Dec 5, 2014 12:25:54 GMT -5
I just got the joke in the title.
But yeah, as others have said, WWE has a lot of casual racism it seems. A lot based on ignorance and people who don't know how to present minorities so they go for these racial gimmicks.
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Post by tms on Dec 5, 2014 13:14:13 GMT -5
Ricardo said in a later interview that it was "bumblebee", not the Bumblebee Man as amazing as that would've been, and that Hunter used it for generously proportioned guys that could fly around. Can't imagine him ever calling Vader a bumblebee, mind. Except that most Simpsons viewers probably don't even know that the guy is called 'Bumblebee Man.' Most people probably barely know Lenny and Carl. That's true. I had trouble identifying one from the other as well, before I wrote Carl=black and Lenny=white on my hand. I always make sure to glance at it now and then when they appear.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 5, 2014 13:15:31 GMT -5
In his Shoot Ricardo said it wasn't a race thing. But he did only call Spanish guys Bumblebees (Ricardo, Savio, Super Crazy) I didn't know any of them were Spanish... Well they are Hispanish
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Dec 5, 2014 13:17:30 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but do we really need to use 'racist-ness' when the term 'racism' already exists?
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Post by StuntGranny® on Dec 5, 2014 13:22:46 GMT -5
Oh come on. Triple H's racist tendencies are completely unintentional. They're just as unintentional as Punk getting fired on his wedding day. Just utterly unintentional.
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Post by Lance Uppercut on Dec 5, 2014 13:28:57 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but do we really need to use 'racist-ness' when the term 'racism' already exists? I like intentionally saying things wrong.
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