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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 23, 2014 19:43:07 GMT -5
How about the fact Khan looked nothing like Ricardo Montalban despite the fact that he chronologically should have? They explained that away as him being genetically altered when Marcus had the John Harrison identity created for him, so he would never find out who he truly was (he had his memories altered too). Of course, this was all cut from the movie and only made it into the comic book prequel and adaptation. Also, technically the Narada from the first film is a Borg ship (or enhanced with Borg technology). This too was cut, and was only in the comic prequel and maybe the novelisation (can't quite remember), which was based on an early version of the script. Honestly what I think they should have done is have him be one of Khan's crewmates instead of Khan himself... Hey they could have had a nice easter egg/reveal thing with the cryotubes at the end, with Khan's name on one of them.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 23, 2014 22:08:45 GMT -5
They explained that away as him being genetically altered when Marcus had the John Harrison identity created for him, so he would never find out who he truly was (he had his memories altered too). Of course, this was all cut from the movie and only made it into the comic book prequel and adaptation. Also, technically the Narada from the first film is a Borg ship (or enhanced with Borg technology). This too was cut, and was only in the comic prequel and maybe the novelisation (can't quite remember), which was based on an early version of the script. Honestly what I think they should have done is have him be one of Khan's crewmates instead of Khan himself... Hey they could have had a nice easter egg/reveal thing with the cryotubes at the end, with Khan's name on one of them. I agree. I still enjoyed the movie for what it was, and I thought Cumberbatch was pretty solid, but man was it a reach to explain how an ethnically Northern Indian Sikh character was now a very British caucasian. But then again, the same character was first played by a Latino without any real explanation, so... All that being said, if they did go with one of Khan's crew, you just know there'd be some grousers who would complain that it was a missed opportunity to use Khan.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jan 21, 2015 23:49:01 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2015 12:14:39 GMT -5
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 22, 2015 15:14:04 GMT -5
If the producers really wanted Khan in a film, they should have done a time travel movie where the crew go back to the initial rule of Khan over Asia. It'd be their chance to finally show the Eugenics Wars.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Jan 22, 2015 22:28:52 GMT -5
If the producers really wanted Khan in a film, they should have done a time travel movie where the crew go back to the initial rule of Khan over Asia. It'd be their chance to finally show the Eugenics Wars. Considering the continuity nightmare the Eugenics Wars have become in general I doubt anybody involved with Star Trek really wants to "show" it.
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Post by CMWaters on Jan 22, 2015 22:42:45 GMT -5
If the producers really wanted Khan in a film, they should have done a time travel movie where the crew go back to the initial rule of Khan over Asia. It'd be their chance to finally show the Eugenics Wars. Considering the continuity nightmare the Eugenics Wars have become in general I doubt anybody involved with Star Trek really wants to "show" it. Makes it hilarious when you think about the Voyager eps "Future's End" where they go back to the years when the Eugenics wars took place with no sign of them. I blqme Gary Seven. Either that or the theory that the Clone Saga from the Spider-Man comics was the Eugenics Wars (not a serious theory before anyone jumps at me).
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Jan 22, 2015 22:53:12 GMT -5
Considering the continuity nightmare the Eugenics Wars have become in general I doubt anybody involved with Star Trek really wants to "show" it. Makes it hilarious when you think about the Voyager eps "Future's End" where they go back to the years when the Eugenics wars took place with no sign of them. I blqme Gary Seven. Either that or the theory that the Clone Saga from the Spider-Man comics was the Eugenics Wars (not a serious theory before anyone jumps at me). I always liked the theory that the Eugenics War just plain never impacted the United States. While the rest of the world were fighting a bloody, genocidal, possibly nuclear war in places like China, developing countries just coming out of the impact of the Cold War and unstable third-world hell holes, America was sitting behind the largest military in the world and a technology gap even the most brilliant of Supermen couldn't overcome in a couple of years just begging for Khan to try something. It would explain how tensions reached the point they did for World War III to occur less then a half century later ("We were battling genetic supermen while you were sitting around wondering if Ross and Rachel were gonna get together!").
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jan 23, 2015 7:27:49 GMT -5
I like Greg Cox's novels and their take, it all happened, it was just a shadow war we never saw that caused a few major world events, but was all happening behind the scenes.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Jan 23, 2015 18:18:55 GMT -5
I like Greg Cox's novels and their take, it all happened, it was just a shadow war we never saw that caused a few major world events, but was all happening behind the scenes. While I've never read the novels, I have heard this theory and I've always been iffy on it. I just can't see an event like the Eugenics War that supposedly had the impact on Earth's culture and caused the damage it's claimed to have done to be fought in shadowy, behind-the-scenes conflicts. Especially since subtlety never came off as Khan's strong point. Maybe the novels convincingly explain it but it would be a tough sell to me.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jan 24, 2015 6:30:40 GMT -5
I like Greg Cox's novels and their take, it all happened, it was just a shadow war we never saw that caused a few major world events, but was all happening behind the scenes. While I've never read the novels, I have heard this theory and I've always been iffy on it. I just can't see an event like the Eugenics War that supposedly had the impact on Earth's culture and caused the damage it's claimed to have done to be fought in shadowy, behind-the-scenes conflicts. Especially since subtlety never came off as Khan's strong point. Maybe the novels convincingly explain it but it would be a tough sell to me. Wel yeah, but it's come about through the wars obviously not happening, it's one of the few ways you can reconcile history and the fictional world of Star Trek. There isn't really a way of doing that.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2015 14:03:44 GMT -5
Might as well resurrect this to say it's now titled Star Trek Beyond. Evidently announced a few days ago. And... Well, it's better than Into Darkness but still not a fan of that name. At least add a damn colon.
I think whether I see this boils down to how reviews are and if the Borg's in it. I liked Into Darkness when I first saw it and couldn't make it through the whole thing rewatching it as I kept picking up on tons of things about it that bothered me, but I liked the first one. Though if this has the Borg in it then I'm not seeing it, period. Like the Borg but they really have no place in this and I'd rather see an original villain.
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Post by Hit Girl on May 4, 2015 14:08:45 GMT -5
I hope Star Trek Beyond ends with the Enterprise being destroyed, and replaced with one more aesthetically pleasing.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2015 14:14:21 GMT -5
I hope Star Trek Beyond ends with the Enterprise being destroyed, and replaced with one more aesthetically pleasing. Instead of looking like an iPod it'll look like Space Paranoids.
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Post by Hit Girl on May 4, 2015 14:18:59 GMT -5
The best period for Trek ship design IMO was the Oberth/Miranda/Constellation/Constitution/Excelsior era from Wrath of Khan/Search for Spock
They had a cool industrial look to them.
It also produced the Klingon Bird of Prey.
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Post by CMWaters on May 4, 2015 14:22:07 GMT -5
The best period for Trek ship design IMO was the Oberth/Miranda/Constellation/Constitution/Excelsior era from Wrath of Khan/Search for Spock They had a cool industrial look to them. It also produced the Klingon Bird of Prey. Or as a reviewer I follow calls it, the Kia of Prey. As for the title, now I'm picturing an elderly James Kirk giving away the Enterprise to Terry McGuinnis.
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Post by mizerable on May 4, 2015 14:41:16 GMT -5
Ferengis as the villians or bust.
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Post by CMWaters on May 4, 2015 14:46:40 GMT -5
Ferengis as the villians or bust. Screw that! Bring us the Packleds! Or a return of V'Ger, either one.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 4, 2015 14:48:05 GMT -5
Evil Space Whales.
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Post by BorneAgain on May 4, 2015 16:20:36 GMT -5
Its the Horta... that's evil somehow.
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