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Post by nickcave on Dec 10, 2014 23:36:41 GMT -5
With TNA moving to a much smaller network with less visibility and diminishing star power, do ROH have a chance to capitalize and take the number two promotion spot in the USA? Since neither will ever be viable competition to the WWE, I think the number two spot will be a lot more competitive in the next couple years depending on how things go for either company.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Dec 10, 2014 23:44:02 GMT -5
ROH is running regularly, is available in about as many homes (probably more since I doubt DA has a 100% subscriber rate) and has the backing of a major company who is putting some money and a lot of effort into it.
I'd say ROH is already neck and neck with TNA.
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Post by chrom on Dec 10, 2014 23:46:40 GMT -5
I'd say ROH is the no.2 promotion in the US right now. The two are going in opposite directions.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Dec 10, 2014 23:49:51 GMT -5
I think it should be the other way around.
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Post by Emmet Russell on Dec 10, 2014 23:57:57 GMT -5
Well, I don't see ROH putting TNA out of business, I can say that much.
TNA still has a more loyal fan-base. And ROH feels like it's reached it's pinnacle to me. I don't see it getting much further than it already is. I don't see networks going out of their way to have what is basically an indy company that only reaches a certain audience.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2014 0:38:20 GMT -5
There really isn't a competition. ROH while it isn't taking the world by storm is secure in its spot and is managing some slow expansion in areas, TNA has spent the past few years slowly losing everything it had going for it and is basically at this point a bloated corpse that's only not made it to the morgue because the paramedics are off trying to smooth out a dollar to get a bag of Funyuns.
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Post by jimmyjames on Dec 11, 2014 1:52:09 GMT -5
No. While Destination America is no where near a top level channel, it is still a national channel, while ROH is available only in markets where Sincalir has stations. To be consider in any way a competitor to WWE, (which as sad as TNA is, it still) you have to be available nationwide, which ROH isn't.
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Post by Professor Chaos on Dec 11, 2014 4:00:58 GMT -5
I get Destination America but no channel shows ROH here. I would watch ROH just for Maria if I could though.
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Post by Clawley Race on Dec 11, 2014 6:35:56 GMT -5
ROH might not be on a national channel, but does it run in more homes? Does it get more viewers? It is on 3x a weekend on my channels...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2014 6:59:36 GMT -5
For some reason, I read that as though you were some company guy trying to hype an invasion. "HOW BIG A THREAT IS ROH TO TNA??? I GUESS WE'LL FIND OUT THIS SATURDAY!"
I'd say TNA is still firmly number two, but they're ran by irrational retards with untreated attention deficit disorder. They'd have been dead like YEARS ago if the money wasn't there to tank.
ROH, on the other hand, is ran with precision and care. Their moves to grow are minimal, but they're of the measured, low-risk variety and are largely successful. They don't run around freaking out about signing this guy and that guy only to have to release a few other people to make room for them to then turn around and have to release those guys to sign someone else, without any of these people really getting on TV or being worked into angles.
The dumb of it is that a lot of TNAs' best wrestlers blew through ROH before being summoned and ultimately blow back through after it's all said and done.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 11, 2014 7:05:42 GMT -5
ROH appears to be more stable, so in a lot of ways, it's probably a better place to work, in part since ROH seems to be a better springboard to WWE or Japan than TNA has been in the past, though obviously neither is a guarantee.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Dec 11, 2014 7:51:42 GMT -5
There are no ratings for RoH and being available in homes doesn't mean that the people that live there are actually watching. RoH are a niche product, there was no surge in interest in them when they got a TV deal and I don't think that TNA's contraction will suddenly give them a far larger fanbase they need in order to leap into second place, no matter what the vocal RoH fans want.
The only way they're ever going to be number #2 is by default when TNA finally close their doors and then they'll be second in line to the throne of a crumbling kingdom... And should Sinclair have a change of management or need to cut costs as the TV market shrinks, RoH will be the next company to die.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Dec 11, 2014 7:59:04 GMT -5
Honestly, those to and Lucha Underground are kind of on the same level. All have some type of national tv deal and there are positives and negatives for all three companies.
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Post by Steveweiser on Dec 11, 2014 8:01:52 GMT -5
Destination America is available in more homes, but ROH is available on bigger stations where they are located. Dave Meltzer reckons that more people will watch ROH than TNA in 2015 (and bear in mind that Destination America only has one feed, so West Coast viewership will be low as it will air at 6pm on Fridays there). The only complication is that we never get ROH TV ratings, but the last I heard, they claim they average about a million a week combined throughout their markets.
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Post by Steveweiser on Dec 11, 2014 8:03:13 GMT -5
Honestly, those to and Lucha Underground are kind of on the same level. All have some type of national tv deal and there are positives and negatives for all three companies. Lucha Underground's the distant #4, if you don't include the UniMas ratings. They're struggling with 5 figure ratings on El Rey.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Dec 11, 2014 8:10:58 GMT -5
Honestly, those to and Lucha Underground are kind of on the same level. All have some type of national tv deal and there are positives and negatives for all three companies. Lucha Underground's the distant #4, if you don't include the UniMas ratings. They're struggling with 5 figure ratings on El Rey. My point being was that Lucha Underground, TNA, and ROH are all companies with national tv in some way, shape, or form and for a lot of indy guys the big goal is to get TV. Again, there's positives for each and negatives for each.
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Post by Martin: #TeamBella Treasurer on Dec 11, 2014 8:36:52 GMT -5
I don't think there is really competition amongst any of the wrestling companies today. Fans watch who they want to watch, the companies aren't fighting over ratings with being on different days intentionally and different platforms (TV, VOD) so there is likely a fair amount of fan crossover. The only thing the companies would be a threat to another is over exclusivity of talent. I'd say competition over PPV to an extent, but with TNA eliminating the majority of their canon PPVs, and ROH having over years built up an audience of loyal fans watching on iPPV (is ROH on regular PPV in the States??), I'm not sure if competition is really there.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Dec 11, 2014 8:47:07 GMT -5
I don't think there is really competition amongst any of the wrestling companies today. Fans watch who they want to watch, the companies aren't fighting over ratings with being on different days intentionally and different platforms (TV, VOD) so there is likely a fair amount of fan crossover. The only thing the companies would be a threat to another is over exclusivity of talent. I'd say competition over PPV to an extent, but with TNA eliminating the majority of their canon PPVs, and ROH having over years built up an audience of loyal fans watching on iPPV (is ROH on regular PPV in the States??), I'm not sure if competition is really there. They do some actual PPVs now, but the ippv has always been an issue for ROH. Let me ask another question in regards to the thread. If TNA ran their business as if they were closer to ROH's level rather than trying to run at WWE's level would people have moe respect for them?
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Dec 11, 2014 8:56:21 GMT -5
Let me ask another question in regards to the thread. If TNA ran their business as if they were closer to ROH's level rather than trying to run at WWE's level would people have moe respect for them? If they ran their business at the size they are, rather than the size they think they are, they'd be profitable but there'd be just as many detractors because the product is still trying to be 'sports entertainment' rather than professional wrestling.
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Post by Sephiroth on Dec 11, 2014 9:20:27 GMT -5
The only way ROH becomes a genuine threat to TNA is if they get bought out from they're current ownership by company that can give them a national TV deal (Disney, Time Warner, etc).
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