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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Dec 12, 2014 10:22:15 GMT -5
Yeah and it took them a bit of time to figure that out. Now granted they figured it out where TNA hasn't yet but I don't know if people realize how bad the transition to Sinclair was for them or how things didn't work out with HD net Still not perfect either. I wonder how many viewers they lost just via abysmal lag problems on their iPPVs, and even still, just last Sunday I sat and attempted to watch a PPV but the thing crapped out again with just horrendous lag. I love ROH, creatively they check the most boxes of any company in terms of what I wanna see in wrestling, but there are still wrinkles in their presentation that make it understandable that they aren't pulling TNA numbers. For all TNA's failings, they look like a major wrestling company. I would have agreed with this up until that last run of tapings or so. Those shows were bleak! It was like watching Turnbuckle Championship Wrestling on Spike. TCW has great production for an indie, but it is just that. They still look like an indie. Well, I guess it wasn't that bad. It was more just the crowd feeling very lackluster and small time than just the production. Still given the move to Destination America I'm not optimistic.
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Post by Juice on Dec 12, 2014 13:56:14 GMT -5
The wrestling business has changed enough over the last decade that there isn't competition. Wrestling fans will watch all of the wrestling they want. We all watch stuff when it's good. It has nothing to do with promotions taking each other on. I haven't watched TNA since the move to Wednesday and it has nothing to do with me preferring ROH or WWE. That product sucks so I quit watching, after years of loyal viewing.
Wrestling companies don't compete for viewers they share them.
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Post by benstudd on Dec 15, 2014 2:30:13 GMT -5
They cannot be a threat cause it's a different audience, really. I always thought that TNA audience are former WCW fans or people that want to watch "big time wrestling" but are fed up with the WWE. They're not hardcores that are gonna dig for DVDs and other wrestling feds online. While ROH fans seems like a small bunch of dedicated guys that will stop at nothing to get at their candy.
(and excuse me for this soap box but I think that represents the success of ROH for house shows and the lack of success of TNA in house show in that given that for ROH TV is not their strenght and the product is for hardcores and it's pure wrestling, you know they are gonna show the best they have if you go see them. While with TNA you're gonna get embarrassed seeing a bunch of guys that want to be seen as stars but always coming off as second-rate. so it's better to watch the TV with them. )
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 15, 2014 9:23:49 GMT -5
More of a threat to TNA than TNA is to WWE
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2014 2:40:02 GMT -5
Its an interesting case of cant vs wont.
TNA cant get it right and never will. We call them stupid, but really they are just arrogant. They wont accept that their ideas are wrong.
ROH doesn't want to spend the money and honestly why should they? If they did branch out like Jim Cornette wanted them too, who is to say it would have been a success.
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Post by saintpat on Dec 16, 2014 2:58:09 GMT -5
ROH seems to do much better on live shows -- they promote house shows regularly across a pretty wide geographic area. I'm not sure how well the actual attendance numbers stack up but I've been to ROH shows and there is always a good crowd and, most importantly, that crowd is there to see ROH and excited to see ROH.
Biggest "threat" ROH is to TNA is in being able to sign talent with TNA's new "smaller" TV deal and inability to keep many of its top stars over the last year or more.
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Post by Glitch on Dec 16, 2014 5:35:06 GMT -5
Lucha Underground probably has the better potential to become a threat to tna than roh. ROH has a strong,dedicated following, but I don't see them really expanding beyond that.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Dec 16, 2014 8:45:11 GMT -5
Lucha Underground probably has the better potential to become a threat to tna than roh. ROH has a strong,dedicated following, but I don't see them really expanding beyond that. Honestly, I don't see Lucha Underground as a threat to anyone. Right now they exist only as a tv show. They aren't selling merch like t-shirts or house shows. Once they make that step, then we can start talking about them being threats. Hell, they got to worry more about getting the show renewed. Matador had the same amount of viewers and El Rey cancelled that show. Hopefully the network heads see Lucha Underground as a long term project in spite of the ratings. ROH will continue to grow at a steady pace. Which is totally the way it should be. ECW tried to go big time while still being small time and it killed them. Same for TNA who managed to avoid the deathblow so far.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Dec 16, 2014 10:15:41 GMT -5
Lucha Underground probably has the better potential to become a threat to tna than roh. ROH has a strong,dedicated following, but I don't see them really expanding beyond that. Honestly, I don't see Lucha Underground as a threat to anyone. Right now they exist only as a tv show. They aren't selling merch like t-shirts or house shows. Once they make that step, then we can start talking about them being threats. Hell, they got to worry more about getting the show renewed. Matador had the same amount of viewers and El Rey cancelled that show. Hopefully the network heads see Lucha Underground as a long term project in spite of the ratings. ROH will continue to grow at a steady pace. Which is totally the way it should be. ECW tried to go big time while still being small time and it killed them. Same for TNA who managed to avoid the deathblow so far. If reports are to be belived, almost killed ROH as well.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2014 11:29:22 GMT -5
The biggest threat to TNA is themselves. That is, putting themselves out of business due to poor decision making.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Dec 16, 2014 12:05:53 GMT -5
With TNA moving to a much smaller network with less visibility and diminishing star power, do ROH have a chance to capitalize and take the number two promotion spot in the USA? Since neither will ever be viable competition to the WWE, I think the number two spot will be a lot more competitive in the next couple years depending on how things go for either company. To be a threat ROH would have to appeal to the non-internet fan. Which it really doesn't.
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Post by WWEedy on Dec 16, 2014 12:14:49 GMT -5
Not a threat at all, though I think things are going to get interesting soon. With ROH working the fairgrounds and getting their hands on Alberto Del Rio there's a chance that they're about to blow up with some of the shit that they are about to be able to put on.
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Dec 16, 2014 20:22:15 GMT -5
I'd say not a threat directly or indirectly. ROH has always been realistic about what it is. As an example, when they could, they would set up events during wrestlemania week, and cash in on the work the WWE put in. TNA, on the other hand, would probably set up an event to try and compete with wrestlemania itself.
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