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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Dec 16, 2014 17:03:32 GMT -5
Raven/Dreamer was the first to come to mind.
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Post by eDemento2099 on Dec 16, 2014 19:02:16 GMT -5
Explain. I don't know what the hell you're talking about, unless you're making a vague reference to the crucifixion stunt that occurred from the Raven-Sandman feud. |
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Post by eDemento2099 on Dec 16, 2014 19:06:02 GMT -5
To take [Raven,] who had been in the big leagues, was a recognisable face and turn him into something that pretty much reinvented the 'dark' wrestler character ... I don't remember Scott Levy EVER being a face, and I definitely don't remember him being very recognizable or well-known prior to becoming Raven. Before becoming Raven, wasn't Levy a heel wrestler and manager? I don't remember his Johnny Polo or Scotty Flamingo characters being faces, or very well known. |
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Post by SkullTrauma on Dec 16, 2014 19:06:54 GMT -5
raven/sandman > raven/dreamer
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Post by Viking Hall on Dec 16, 2014 20:04:58 GMT -5
I don't remember Scott Levy EVER being a face, and I definitely don't remember him being very recognizable or well-known prior to becoming Raven. Before becoming Raven, wasn't Levy a heel wrestler and manager? I don't remember his Johnny Polo or Scotty Flamingo characters being faces, or very well known. I think he meant face literally, as in his face was recognizable. Indeed. Look at the rest of the full-time ECW roster circa 1995... I don't think you'd find many people in there who could boast a run with a WCW title (1-Time Light Heavyweight Champion) not to mention regular spots on PPV and Television. This combined with a very visible run in the WWF as the manager of Adam Bomb and The Quebecers (who he led to three Tag Team Titles) and a run in the now forgotten but then nationally shown GWF as a wrestler and commentator and I think you've got a fair argument that while he wasn't exactly Hulk Hogan he was a hell of a lot better known than the majority of ECW wrestlers at the time. |
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Post by saintpat on Dec 17, 2014 1:08:09 GMT -5
Another honorable mention is Shane Douglas and the Pit Bull with the head-immobilizing halo
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Post by eDemento2099 on Dec 17, 2014 4:11:49 GMT -5
I think he meant face literally, as in his face was recognizable. Indeed. Look at the rest of the full-time ECW roster circa 1995... I don't think you'd find many people in there who could boast a run with a WCW title (1-Time Light Heavyweight Champion) not to mention regular spots on PPV and Television. This combined with a very visible run in the WWF as the manager of Adam Bomb and The Quebecers (who he led to three Tag Team Titles) and a run in the now forgotten but then nationally shown GWF as a wrestler and commentator and I think you've got a fair argument that while he wasn't exactly Hulk Hogan he was a hell of a lot better known than the majority of ECW wrestlers at the time. ECW featured several well-known wrestlers in its early years, before the promotion really established any 'home-grown' stars like Sabu, Taz, Public Enemy, etc. 'Superfly' Jimmy Snuka was the promotion's inaugural champion, and ECW showcased well known wrestlers like Tito Santana, Greg Valentine, and Mr. Hughes. It goes without saying that Terry Funk was already a very well established legend by the time he was featured in ECW. |
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Post by eDemento2099 on Dec 17, 2014 4:13:53 GMT -5
Another honorable mention is Shane Douglas and the Pit Bull with the head-immobilizing halo That was a memorable moment, but the halo thing was a one-time incident. I was more interested in angles/storylines rather than incidents, but I guess you could count Francine and her switching alliances from The Pitbulls to the Triad. |
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Dec 17, 2014 4:20:09 GMT -5
I don't know if I would put it above Raven and Dreamer, but Taz vs. Sabu was a pretty big deal as well.
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Post by Chuck Conry on Dec 17, 2014 4:44:30 GMT -5
Hard to top Raven's original run. I really hate how Raven's character evolved over the years, because you can't top old school ECW Raven.
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Post by Viking Hall on Dec 17, 2014 5:25:41 GMT -5
Indeed. Look at the rest of the full-time ECW roster circa 1995... I don't think you'd find many people in there who could boast a run with a WCW title (1-Time Light Heavyweight Champion) not to mention regular spots on PPV and Television. This combined with a very visible run in the WWF as the manager of Adam Bomb and The Quebecers (who he led to three Tag Team Titles) and a run in the now forgotten but then nationally shown GWF as a wrestler and commentator and I think you've got a fair argument that while he wasn't exactly Hulk Hogan he was a hell of a lot better known than the majority of ECW wrestlers at the time. ECW featured several well-known wrestlers in its early years, before the promotion really established any 'home-grown' stars like Sabu, Taz, Public Enemy, etc. 'Superfly' Jimmy Snuka was the promotion's inaugural champion, and ECW showcased well known wrestlers like Tito Santana, Greg Valentine, and Mr. Hughes. It goes without saying that Terry Funk was already a very well established legend by the time he was featured in ECW. As I said, full time in 1995. You're talking about Eastern Championship Wrestling, which as everyone knows is a totally different beast to Extreme Championship Wrestling. Extreme Championship Wrestling may have been born out of Eastern Championship Wrestling but that's pretty much where it ends. Eastern was like the hundreds of other small independents at the time using washed up former stars who found themselves without a home after the eighties boom, by the time 1995 came around they were with the exception of Funk all long gone. Looking at the roster in 1995, about the only full-time wrestlers who had been seen on a national scale as much as Raven's former alter-egos were Cactus Jack, 2 Cold Scorpio, Shane Douglas and obviously Terry Funk which considering the size of the roster isn't very many at all. You could maybe chuck Ron Simmons in there too but he was also gone within a month or two of Raven's arrival. Like I said, I'm not claiming that pre-Raven Scott Levy was a global superstar by any means, but compared with the rest of the full time roster (and to a very knowledgeable crowd) he would have certainly been considered a reasonably big deal. ECW always had special guests and star attractions but very few made more than a handful of appearances, Levy was different in that he had been in the big leagues, he had held titles, he had been seen on TV and PPV but here he was in ECW not just as quick challenger to the title but as someone that the company built themselves around. |
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Dec 17, 2014 6:35:30 GMT -5
TNA was not there top rated show for a long ass time. They did also advertise TNA at least a bit there was a big ass billboard for Impact in the middle of Times Square NYC for months when they signed their new deal. I also remember seeing a bunch of ads for TNA on Spike. But that's getting off topic. If I'm remembering correctly Heyman pissed TNN off like the first day because they sent a professional crew and gear to tape but Paul refused to use them. Edit: not that its a good reason to bury the top rated program or anything. But if the stories are true the bad blood started due to Heyman's actions not TNN. It was over the long term though, people drone on about COPS reruns beating TNA, but TNA was one of Spike's top rated original shows since the shift to primetime in 2006, only topped by UFC specials for obvious reasons. UFC went, Bellator came nowhere near and Spike acquired the rights to COPS in the autumn of 2013 and even then, it wasn't beating TNA every week from what I gather and certainly not doing so for two solid hours. In any case, Spike gave TNA plenty of support until their goals as a channel changed. Heyman made ECW toxic to TNN from day one and made sure that no-one else would consider picking up their programming. He could have made an ECW show that would have appealed to other broadcasters once hesaw the writing on the wall, but he made sure to burn the bridge with TNN then peed on the ashes going 'Take that, stupid bridge!'. |
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Post by Mondai Rogue on Dec 17, 2014 9:47:17 GMT -5
Explain. I don't know what the hell you're talking about, unless you're making a vague reference to the crucifixion stunt that occurred from the Raven-Sandman feud. Refers to when Christian debuted on WWECW |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2014 9:53:10 GMT -5
Raven vs Dreamer, easily.
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Post by Sephiroth on Dec 17, 2014 10:22:17 GMT -5
I would argue the infamous Sandman crucifixion incident-but not even really because of the bad publicity it generated on ECW. Rather, I'd say it was significant because in the process ECW blew what could have been a major moment in wrestling history. To explain: Heyman had actually been trying to court Kurt Angle at the time. Angle was still fresh off his Olympics victory had been approached by the WWF but turned Vince McMahon down because he didn't like the cartoony style of the WWF at the time. Heyman was trying to woo Angle by showing him guys like Tazz or Sabu, who were putting on real, athletic performances that he might be able to do something with, and to try to get a foot in the door he invited Angle to attend the show the crucifixion took place on. Angle was pissed when he saw it and stormed out. Even if the odds are remote, could you imagine if Angle had made his pro wrestling debut in ECW instead of WWF?
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Post by eDemento2099 on Dec 17, 2014 18:05:35 GMT -5
Explain. I don't know what the hell you're talking about, unless you're making a vague reference to the crucifixion stunt that occurred from the Raven-Sandman feud. Refers to when Christian debuted on WWECW This should go without saying: WWECW does not count as ECW. |
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Post by James Fabiano on Dec 17, 2014 18:28:24 GMT -5
The first thing I think of now about Raven/Dreamer is the bit on the Rise and Fall of ECW where Dreamer is talking about the night Beulah reveals he was the father of her her unborn child. Particularly the bit when he says "the place lit up" and it cuts to the video of it, yet the crowd hardly makes a sound. Maybe because ECW fans knew better, and remembered that two days earlier at Holiday Hell, Dreamer piledrove Beulah yet again? |
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Dec 17, 2014 21:07:49 GMT -5
The first thing I think of now about Raven/Dreamer is the bit on the Rise and Fall of ECW where Dreamer is talking about the night Beulah reveals he was the father of her her unborn child. Particularly the bit when he says "the place lit up" and it cuts to the video of it, yet the crowd hardly makes a sound. Maybe because ECW fans knew better, and remembered that two days earlier at Holiday Hell, Dreamer piledrove Beulah yet again? Didn't really watch it at the time. I just always get surprised that Tommy Dreamer has remembered a non-existent crowd reaction. |
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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on Dec 17, 2014 21:15:05 GMT -5
Refers to when Christian debuted on WWECW This should go without saying: WWECW does not count as ECW. For someone with a Dennis Stamp avatar, you sure are taking this thread seriously. |
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Post by eDemento2099 on Dec 17, 2014 21:41:25 GMT -5
This should go without saying: WWECW does not count as ECW. For someone with a Dennis Stamp avatar, you sure are taking this thread seriously. (The real) ECW: It's still real to me, dammit! |
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