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Post by fw91 on Dec 17, 2014 18:43:40 GMT -5
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Post by Racksman on Dec 17, 2014 19:43:43 GMT -5
No. Scott was injured by the Hardliners in May. Scott/Ric Flair happened at the January Clash of '91. I'm just glad I remember the Hardliners at all. They spit on me at a TV taping. Health reasons aside, that's kind of awesome. I wish Dick Murdoch spit on me. I immediately withdraw my statement.
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Post by Paco on Dec 17, 2014 19:52:12 GMT -5
Every promoter ever wanted to make Scotty a huge singles star, and it would've probably worked too. But Scott kept putting it off due to loyalty to his brother. And while that's admirable, imagine how different his career might've been if he didn't wait until 1998 (and then in reality, 2000) for his big singles push? His match against Flair at the January '91 COTC was a classic and a star making performance. It's a shame, really. Never saw the Clash match but isn't that the one everyone (including Scott himself) says Flair sabotaged by having a purposely underwhelming match (thus making Steiner look bad as a singles competitor). Always heard it was...the opposite of good.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2014 22:24:15 GMT -5
Scott Steiner sucked, even as a Steiner brother. He was obsessed with pulling off pretty, crowd pleasing moves and that's about it. He came across as retarded every time he opened his mouth. Even when Rick was playing the character of a retard, Scott still seemed like the more retarded brother. If you only saw Scott wrestle one match, you'd think he was awesome. Watch him wrestle 5 and it's clear that he sucked. Rick was better as a singles wrestler, but when he started teaming with Scott, he became a lazy spot monkey too. At least he could string a sentence together without making the entire world aware that he had mashed potatoes for brains. How DARE a wrestler try please the crowd. Serious, Scott Steiner has provided me with more entertainment than 90% of the WWE roster today. He is exactly what a wrestler should be - entertaining. I do not appreciate your disagreement. I intend for my opinions to go uncontested. Reported.
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Post by Racksman on Dec 17, 2014 22:52:44 GMT -5
Every promoter ever wanted to make Scotty a huge singles star, and it would've probably worked too. But Scott kept putting it off due to loyalty to his brother. And while that's admirable, imagine how different his career might've been if he didn't wait until 1998 (and then in reality, 2000) for his big singles push? His match against Flair at the January '91 COTC was a classic and a star making performance. It's a shame, really. Never saw the Clash match but isn't that the one everyone (including Scott himself) says Flair sabotaged by having a purposely underwhelming match (thus making Steiner look bad as a singles competitor). Always heard it was...the opposite of good. Maybe that's the story the currently insane Scott Steiner gives. But go watch the match if you can, it's the opposite of bad.
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Post by TGM on Dec 18, 2014 4:40:11 GMT -5
How DARE a wrestler try please the crowd. Serious, Scott Steiner has provided me with more entertainment than 90% of the WWE roster today. He is exactly what a wrestler should be - entertaining. I do not appreciate your disagreement. I intend for my opinions to go uncontested. Reported. *hangs self* I cannot live without being confirmed correct.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Dec 18, 2014 7:11:53 GMT -5
Scott had heat with Bill Watts in WCW wanted to fight him. Scott also failed a drug test before they left the WWF Scott failed a drugs test? What crazy universe is this we live in!
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Dec 18, 2014 7:40:40 GMT -5
Scott had heat with Bill Watts in WCW wanted to fight him. Scott also failed a drug test before they left the WWF Scott failed a drugs test? What crazy universe is this we live in! I'm more astounded that they had drug tests at all in the mid 90s WWF. I picture it being more like a drug lottery than a test, the more you're on, the bigger the prizes. Scott Steiner gets fired for only testing positive for one, while Shawn Michaels gets a main event push for testing positive for all the drugs, even getting bonus points for failing the super secret test for HRT patches which meant he didn't have to lose titles cleanly.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 18, 2014 7:41:51 GMT -5
Never saw the Clash match but isn't that the one everyone (including Scott himself) says Flair sabotaged by having a purposely underwhelming match (thus making Steiner look bad as a singles competitor). Always heard it was...the opposite of good. Maybe that's the story the currently insane Scott Steiner gives. But go watch the match if you can, it's the opposite of bad. I don't think it's bad, either, though I think there is some truth to that Flair didn't necessarily want to play it Scott's way and did dictate a lot of the pace of the match his way, but that was less a slight meant towards Scott, I think, and more due to problems politically in the company. Namely, that Jim Herd wanted to phase Flair out, feeling he was too old, and was interested in a Scott singles push. Flair, obviously, disagreed that he was on his wind down, career-wise, and probably wasn't apt to put over Scott as much as Herd would have likely wanted. That said, I don't think he went out of his way to make Scott look bad as much as Steiner paints it, but I don't think he was being selfless, either.
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Post by Manute Bol on Dec 18, 2014 22:07:14 GMT -5
I know it was only a one year run, but they had some really fun matches in that brief span.
The Royal Rumble match against The Beverly Brothers was good, I will always argue that their match with The Head Shrinkers was the best match of WrestleMania IX, I love their SummerSlam match against The Heavenly Bodies, and they had two good Coliseum video matches: a very good Steel Cage Match against Money Inc, and an awesome match against Bret & Owen Hart. There were also some decent TV matches against The Quebecers, but those don't hold up as well for me since they were oddly booked with The Steiners selling and playing the baby faces in peril, yet still losing almost every time.
January 1993-January 1994 was a great year of in-ring action from The Steiner Brothers.
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Post by Ron Woodsman aka Shempaholic on Dec 18, 2014 22:37:58 GMT -5
I'm just glad I remember the Hardliners at all. They spit on me at a TV taping. Health reasons aside, that's kind of awesome. I wish Dick Murdoch spit on me. I immediately withdraw my statement. I saw the Hardliners face Rick Steiner and Ron Simmons in a cage match at a house show in Charleston, WV in 1991. Pretty brutal from what I remember. I was not spit upon though.
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Post by chrom on Dec 18, 2014 22:46:30 GMT -5
Watching their debut there's a lot of fans standing up recognizing them when they appear. And Heenan goes from making his usual smart aleck remarks to mentioning he's gotta give Money Inc a phone call after they brutalize their opponents.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball☝🏻 on Dec 19, 2014 7:11:19 GMT -5
I know it was only a one year run, but they had some really fun matches in that brief span. The Royal Rumble match against The Beverly Brothers was good, I will always argue that their match with The Head Shrinkers was the best match of WrestleMania IX, I love their SummerSlam match against The Heavenly Bodies, and they had two good Coliseum video matches: a very good Steel Cage Match against Money Inc, and an awesome match against Bret & Owen Hart. There were also some decent TV matches against The Quebecers, but those don't hold up as well for me since they were oddly booked with The Steiners selling and playing the baby faces in peril, yet still losing almost every time. January 1993-January 1994 was a great year of in-ring action from The Steiner Brothers. It's the best match of Mania 9. I forget which PPV it was, maybe SummerSlam, they get to talking to their sister, guess they forgot to tell her it was Rick and Scott, because she talked about how proud she was of Rob and Scott.
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Post by toodarkmark on Dec 19, 2014 8:27:37 GMT -5
Irony about WCW and WWF wanting to push Scott as a singles earlier, is that Rick Steiner was super over before Scott came along. I remember in 89 NWA crowds going nuts for him, and he was shinning in those Varsity Club feuds. Just watch when he beats Rotunda for the TV Title. Then Scott comes along and becomes possibly the greatest wrestler of all time (who is hungry), and completely kind of ruins Rick. He was SO underwhelming when teaming with Bill Kazmier in 91 during Scott's injury. But then again, that was WCW Summer 91 and everyone was underwhelming.
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Post by CeilingFan on Dec 19, 2014 11:16:19 GMT -5
I know it was only a one year run, but they had some really fun matches in that brief span. The Royal Rumble match against The Beverly Brothers was good, I will always argue that their match with The Head Shrinkers was the best match of WrestleMania IX, I love their SummerSlam match against The Heavenly Bodies, and they had two good Coliseum video matches: a very good Steel Cage Match against Money Inc, and an awesome match against Bret & Owen Hart. There were also some decent TV matches against The Quebecers, but those don't hold up as well for me since they were oddly booked with The Steiners selling and playing the baby faces in peril, yet still losing almost every time. January 1993-January 1994 was a great year of in-ring action from The Steiner Brothers. Steiners vs. Harts? Who won?
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Post by mizerable on Dec 19, 2014 11:37:46 GMT -5
Yeah, it's baffling that Vince didn't do more with the Steiners. As noted, their match at WMIX was easily the best on the card. Considering what followed in the years to come, the Steiners could have easily been the cornerstone of the tag team division. Instead, we got 3 horrible years of the Smokin' Gunns, MOM, the Godwinns and Quebecers. I remember almost nothing about this period for the tag division since it was so shitty. Hell, considering how awful it was, I'm surprised the goddamn Bushwhackers didn't get a title run.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2014 11:38:41 GMT -5
Irony about WCW and WWF wanting to push Scott as a singles earlier, is that Rick Steiner was super over before Scott came along. I remember in 89 NWA crowds going nuts for him, and he was shinning in those Varsity Club feuds. Just watch when he beats Rotunda for the TV Title. Then Scott comes along and becomes possibly the greatest wrestler of all time (who is hungry), and completely kind of ruins Rick. He was SO underwhelming when teaming with Bill Kazmier in 91 during Scott's injury. But then again, that was WCW Summer 91 and everyone was underwhelming. I've always thought it was a shame that this happened, as I think Rick was pretty much better in every category IMO. He was a really good worker back in the mid 80's before he started wearing the headgear. Then, he was great with the DFG character as part of the Varsity Club, then after the Varsity Club before Scott came around. I watched through this entire period just a couple years ago, and it was almost like Scott's Frankensteiner eclipsed everything else. That's when Rick transitioned from a great worker to a guy who pretty much just did the same big moves in every match, buffered by running around and barking. Scott had done good work in Memphis, but when the Frankensteiner got over big, it just seemed like he started going for big move pops instead of wrestling. Not that they didn't still have some great matches, but they became much more Road Warrior-like, lots of Irish whips followed by high impact moves, then looking at the crowd for approval.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Dec 19, 2014 14:54:42 GMT -5
Yeah, it's baffling that Vince didn't do more with the Steiners. As noted, their match at WMIX was easily the best on the card. Considering what followed in the years to come, the Steiners could have easily been the cornerstone of the tag team division. Instead, we got 3 horrible years of the Smokin' Gunns, MOM, the Godwinns and Quebecers. I remember almost nothing about this period for the tag division since it was so shitty. Hell, considering how awful it was, I'm surprised the goddamn Bushwhackers didn't get a title run. You badmouthing the Quebecers? *tapes fists*
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Post by mizerable on Dec 19, 2014 15:10:58 GMT -5
^Out of the groups that were around, they were clearly better than almost all the other teams. They may have actually been far more memorable if they had more memorable opponents.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2014 15:19:16 GMT -5
In their defense, I think the Smokin' Gunns could have been a great team had it not been for the gimmick. Smiling while shooting off the toy cap pistols made them the lamest team since ... ever. If Vince wanted a crowd-friendly cowboy team, he should have watched the Young Pistols or maybe even hired the Young Pistols.
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