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Post by abjordans on Dec 17, 2014 0:43:41 GMT -5
I am sorry for another Cena thread. So, I was thinking about Cena's own reasoning for why he doesn't turn heel. Because it would let down so many kids and what not. For so long it made perfect sense to me, then all the sudden just now it didn't make sense at all. He is more hated than Hogan was during any backlash. Why does Cena get to cop out of doing what top guys do, being versatile. It just sounds so smug. how did this just hit me over the head?
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Post by mrtuesday on Dec 17, 2014 0:51:09 GMT -5
He's protecting his spot. Simple as that.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2014 1:03:48 GMT -5
Because he apparently thinks he's more important and special than he really is.
This whole not wanting to upset the little kiddies thing is a weak cop out excuse for not wanting to get out of his comfort zone.
So, it's pointless really to even discuss. It's just not gonna happen so why bother?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2014 1:04:24 GMT -5
He's protecting his spot. Simple as that. He's f***ing delusional is what is.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Dec 17, 2014 1:09:17 GMT -5
He's protecting his spot. Simple as that. No. That's not why he won't turn heel. And I don't think Cena needs to turn heel in order for another face to rise up. WWE could just conveniently book another face into his spot if they so wanted. WWE could easily have a different face in the last segment/match on RAW/PPVs if they so wish without changing a thing about Cena's actual character or booking.
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Post by saintpat on Dec 17, 2014 1:09:49 GMT -5
He's protecting his spot. Simple as that. He's f***ing delusional is what is. Someone is ...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2014 1:17:11 GMT -5
He's protecting his spot. Simple as that. No. That's not why he won't turn heel. And I don't think Cena needs to turn heel in order for another fbutace to rise up. WWE could just conveniently book another face into his spot if they so wanted. WWE could easily have a different face in the last segment/match on RAW/PPVs if they so wish without changing a thing about Cena's actual character or booking. But Roman Reigns sucks. Am I doing it right?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2014 1:20:30 GMT -5
He's f***ing delusional is what is. Someone is ... All I'm saying is John doesn't seem to be a very forward thinking person and would be content dragging the company down with his staleness rather than change anything he's doing, even something as small as not doing his stupid unfunny stand up comedy routine.
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Post by celticjobber on Dec 17, 2014 1:51:48 GMT -5
At the end of the day, it's Vince McMahon's call. Not John Cena's.
If Vince thought it was best for business, he'd call for a heel turn and I'm sure John would go through with it. Even if it meant losing tons of money from t-shirt sales.
I'm not a huge Cena fan. But the fact of the matter is that he is still the #1 merch seller in WWE, by far. And his presence on a house show has been proven to increase ticket sales more than any other guy on the roster. So I can totally see why they're so cautious about turning him, especially with no one in sight who seems nearly ready to take over as the main guy.
Roman Reigns still has a lot of work to do before he's at that point, and who knows if Daniel Bryan will ever return from his injuries.
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Post by Reflecto on Dec 17, 2014 1:53:20 GMT -5
I am sorry for another Cena thread. So, I was thinking about Cena's own reasoning for why he doesn't turn heel. Because it would let down so many kids and what not. For so long it made perfect sense to me, then all the sudden just now it didn't make sense at all. He is more hated than Hogan was during any backlash. Why does Cena get to cop out of doing what top guys do, being versatile. It just sounds so smug. how did this just hit me over the head? It keeps being said again- Cena gets where he stands with all of the fans, and is the first one to admit he KNOWS where he stands with people. John Cena won't turn heel not just because it would let down so many kids- but because after ten years, it's out there. John Cena's the biggest face in the company to the kids and the biggest heel in the company to the adult men- and he accepts it and realizes both sides of the coin are there. John Cena can't turn heel to let down so many kids not because of "just" letting them down, but again. Everyone who boos him because they hate him as a face would just cheer him once he turned heel, and all the kids who cheer him would hate him for turning heel- and it'll just be the reverse of his own problem. Kids make the WWE more money than the adults can, so therefore it's better for Cena and for the WWE for him to stay a babyface and be the hero to all the kids, while accepting the adult male fans will hate his guts. Which is perfectly reasonable.
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Post by abjordans on Dec 17, 2014 11:37:34 GMT -5
It isn't really reasonable though. It is pure laziness and a cop out to be like "I won't turn because it will just reverse the fans reactions".
Yea, maybe.
But, your job is to provide interesting TV and compelling stories. It may get the same reaction in reverse, but at least it would be interesting. At least it would shake things up a bit. If you are just going to be like "I ain't doing it because the reaction will be the same" that is just wrong. At this point his heat from the adult fanbase is pure XPac heat. As a Cena supporter I can't even continue to deny that. If he turned heel, he may still get a split reaction, but at least it would be real heel heat from the kids and genuine appreciation from the adults. It isn't like he can never turn back. They have all done it. Except Cena. Cena is good, but he is not above every other top guy ever. And not above doing what every wrestler in his position in the modern era has done.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Dec 17, 2014 11:40:29 GMT -5
It isn't really reasonable though. It is pure laziness and a cop out to be like "I won't turn because it will just reverse the fans reactions". Yea, maybe. But, your job is to provide interesting TV and compelling stories. It may get the same reaction in reverse, but at least it would be interesting. At least it would shake things up a bit. If you are just going to be like "I ain't doing it because the reaction will be the same" that is just wrong. At this point his heat from the adult fanbase is pure XPac heat. As a Cena supporter I can't even continue to deny that. If he turned heel, he may still get a split reaction, but at least it would be real heel heat from the kids and genuine appreciation from the adults. It isn't like he can never turn back. They have all done it. Except Cena. Cena is good, but he is not above every other top guy ever. And not above doing what every wrestler in his position in the modern era has done. His job is to make money and to help the stock price stay up.
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Post by Sparkybob on Dec 17, 2014 11:44:34 GMT -5
All I'm saying is John doesn't seem to be a very forward thinking person and would be content dragging the company down with his staleness rather than change anything he's doing, even something as small as not doing his stupid unfunny stand up comedy routine. If I were John, I wouldn't give a shit about the company's well being. Like if Vince wants to keep booking Cena in main event slots and giving him large paycheck then I can't blame him for just doing what gets him the most money. Wrestling is an awful business so Cena should be looking out for himself first.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Dec 17, 2014 11:46:23 GMT -5
All I'm saying is John doesn't seem to be a very forward thinking person and would be content dragging the company down with his staleness rather than change anything he's doing, even something as small as not doing his stupid unfunny stand up comedy routine. If I were John, I wouldn't give a shit about the company's well being. Like if Vince wants to keep booking Cena in main event slots and giving him large paycheck then I can't blame him for just doing what gets him the most money. Wrestling is an awful so Cena should be looking out for himself first. "I know I'mma get got...but I'mma get mine before I get got." - John "Beast Mode" Cena
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Post by abjordans on Dec 17, 2014 11:50:06 GMT -5
Cena turning would more than likely be the kind of angle that spikes ratings and attendance, gets people to pay attention to the product, and would get some outside attendance. That isn't good for making money and stock prices? Come on. This notion that Cena staying Superman is beyond crazy. Vince himself goes on the Austin podcast and says WWE is the draw. Straight from the horse's mouth. Cena is the first wrestler ever who gets this label that his turn would kill the company... Deapite the fact that he is far from universally loved. Explain that to someone not familiar with the situation and they will bang their head on the wall.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2014 12:10:13 GMT -5
Cena won't turn because he's already a heel to the people that will pay to buy a ticket just to boo him and a face to people who buy a ticket to cheer him. Its the best of both worlds.
The time when he actually turns heel is when the amount of apathy towards him outweighs the kind of combo heel/face heat he currently gets.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Dec 17, 2014 12:17:59 GMT -5
People want Cena to do the exact same act that he does now, except he's conveniently booked against babyfaces. They want him to be an "evil Superman" but that's not going to happen.
Heel Cena would likely cut promos in suits, wrestle in tights/trunks, and be stripped of every facet of his character that you love (to hate). And despite being booked as Superman as a face, as a heel he'd be a coward that runs away from a fight with even the lowest faces on the totem pole.
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Post by BigWill on Dec 17, 2014 12:21:22 GMT -5
It isn't really reasonable though. It is pure laziness and a cop out to be like "I won't turn because it will just reverse the fans reactions". Yea, maybe. But, your job is to provide interesting TV and compelling stories. It may get the same reaction in reverse, but at least it would be interesting. At least it would shake things up a bit. If you are just going to be like "I ain't doing it because the reaction will be the same" that is just wrong. At this point his heat from the adult fanbase is pure XPac heat. As a Cena supporter I can't even continue to deny that. If he turned heel, he may still get a split reaction, but at least it would be real heel heat from the kids and genuine appreciation from the adults. It isn't like he can never turn back. They have all done it. Except Cena. Cena is good, but he is not above every other top guy ever. And not above doing what every wrestler in his position in the modern era has done. His job is to make money and to help the stock price stay up. Then I guess he's failing at his job.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Dec 17, 2014 12:32:50 GMT -5
His job is to make money and to help the stock price stay up. Then I guess he's failing at his job. Please explain how heel Cena will lead to increased revenue?
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Post by BigWill on Dec 17, 2014 13:06:23 GMT -5
Then I guess he's failing at his job. Please explain how heel Cena will lead to increased revenue? Never said it would.
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