cactussam
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Post by cactussam on Dec 18, 2014 11:43:21 GMT -5
Other than perhaps legal purposes, why would anybody ever want to see it? Morbid curiosity is probably the answer. That is always the answer to why anyone would see real death on film. You have a far more optimistic view if the world than I do. Curiosity is not in my top reasons for reasons loom up a real death.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2014 11:56:09 GMT -5
I think many are fascinated with death. Many are terrified of it and avoid it completely. Owen is my 2nd favorite wrestler of all time, and I grieved hard for a couple days after he died, but I'm not gonna lie - I looked up the pictures and the video. I don't know why, certainly not because I would have been delighted to see it. I'm sure it would have disturbed me, but for some reason I still had that unexplainable curiosity to see it. I never did (obviously) and I'm glad I didn't.
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Post by revolverjgw on Dec 18, 2014 13:35:08 GMT -5
Morbid curiosity is probably the answer. That is always the answer to why anyone would see real death on film. You have a far more optimistic view if the world than I do. Curiosity is not in my top reasons for reasons loom up a real death. Practically everybody I knew went to rotten.com or ogrish or whatever back in the day, it's just something people do. I just bought my mom a stack of true-crime books for Christmas, full of gory crime scene photos and explicit, disturbing descriptions of violence and torture. And there was a lot of other people in that section picking up books with stuff a lot darker than a clip of Owen's death would be. You don't have to be a sicko to be into this stuff, you just have to be human. It is very human to be fascinated by the macabre.
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Post by miffy on Dec 18, 2014 14:40:53 GMT -5
The "Careers Ended In An Instant" part? Are we sure that's the Droz incident? I'm pretty sure They use footage of him being treated or put on the stretcher for that part, but not the incident itself (ignore if that's the part you meant)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2014 14:55:24 GMT -5
I do believe that they pulled the tape of the fall right away for legal purposes, so yes the tape does exist in some form. I do presume that it's locked away in a rooom with various booby traps.
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Post by James Fabiano on Dec 18, 2014 15:27:07 GMT -5
I do believe that they pulled the tape of the fall right away for legal purposes, so yes the tape does exist in some form. I do presume that it's locked away in a rooom with various booby traps. Where all the Chris Benoit memorabilia is.
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Post by lildude8218 on Dec 18, 2014 15:34:54 GMT -5
When I did video production stuff, even if we were hooked into a console that was recording live to tape, we would have a backup tape in each camera just in case the main system went down so we could edit the footage in later. Granted it was not on the scale of WWF circa 1999 but I would have to assume that each camera was recording at all times in case one of the others happened to go out for whatever reason to prevent something from being lost entirely. It wouldn't look great on air but it would be able to be fixed for video release. It would also depend on if hard camera is always stationary and facing the ring or can be moved but logically I don't think they would have had the hard camera filming the Titantron since it was just playing something from a VTR from the control room.
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Post by James Fabiano on Dec 18, 2014 15:38:46 GMT -5
You have a far more optimistic view if the world than I do. Curiosity is not in my top reasons for reasons loom up a real death. Practically everybody I knew went to rotten.com or ogrish or whatever back in the day, it's just something people do. I just bought my mom a stack of true-crime books for Christmas, full of gory crime scene photos and explicit, disturbing descriptions of violence and torture. And there was a lot of other people in that section picking up books with stuff a lot darker than a clip of Owen's death would be. You don't have to be a sicko to be into this stuff, you just have to be human. It is very human to be fascinated by the macabre. Yeah, we all have that curiosity. Think: the car crash analogy. This is also how R. Budd Dwyer became a legend.
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Post by Muskrat on Dec 18, 2014 17:10:01 GMT -5
Practically everybody I knew went to rotten.com or ogrish or whatever back in the day, it's just something people do. I just bought my mom a stack of true-crime books for Christmas, full of gory crime scene photos and explicit, disturbing descriptions of violence and torture. And there was a lot of other people in that section picking up books with stuff a lot darker than a clip of Owen's death would be. You don't have to be a sicko to be into this stuff, you just have to be human. It is very human to be fascinated by the macabre. Yeah, we all have that curiosity. Think: the car crash analogy. This is also how R. Budd Dwyer became a legend. Hell, just mentioning him is probably gonna lead to me watching the Dwyer video again. I have no doubts that I'm a little more f***ed up then the average person, but I do find death insanely fascinating, and I've looked up all sorts of really dark shit out of pure curiosity.
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Post by Mondai Rogue on Dec 18, 2014 17:20:22 GMT -5
Hell, just mentioning him is probably gonna lead to me watching the Dwyer video again. I have no doubts that I'm a little more f***ed up then the average person, but I do find death insanely fascinating, and I've looked up all sorts of really dark shit out of pure curiosity. Was he the politician that killed himself at a press conference? Indeed. The video's not AS bad as I imagined it would be however I'm pretty de-sensitised to this kinda stuff for some reason.
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Post by Madagascar Fred on Dec 18, 2014 17:43:05 GMT -5
If god forbid this incident happened today, there would be no lack of footage with the amount of camera phones people have today. It's a bit concerning if people actually want to watch this. you know why things like the Saw franchise or other violence porn are popular right?
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Dec 18, 2014 17:53:46 GMT -5
I wrote this awhile ago but never got around to publishing it. It's from a Kevin Kelly podcast:
"Kevin had regular access to WWE's tape collection, where he could go and watch any tape at any time. During his tenure there on his down time, he saw a shelf that only had a few master tapes on it. One was for Droz's unaired accident that was recorded for Smackdown, where D'lo accidentally broke his neck and paralyzed him.. The other was for Owen's accident. The tapes had "instructions never to destroy, view or duplicate." on them. Kevin claims that he could have easily made copies of them but wouldn't dare. He did not watch them. Over the Edge was released for the very first time since original broadcasting in 2014, on the WWE Network. All references to Owen were removed, aside from a new tribute graphic opening the show. With rebroadcastings often changing camera angles, and recent unearthed videos like the hard camera video of Andre vs Hogan at Wrestlemania III, one must wonder what exactly exists in the WWE library."
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Post by Dave the Dave on Dec 18, 2014 19:15:51 GMT -5
I always heard that the Titantron was going on so no one was focused on Owen...so why the hell was he doing the stunt if the focus wasn't on him?
I get why they keep it, but I'd be tempted just to destroy it and be done.
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Post by miffy on Dec 18, 2014 19:19:31 GMT -5
He wasn't doing the stunt as such, more preparing to do it by stepping off in order to be suspended and then lowered for the entrance.
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Post by molson5 on Dec 18, 2014 20:02:57 GMT -5
I wrote this awhile ago but never got around to publishing it. It's from a Kevin Kelly podcast: "Kevin had regular access to WWE's tape collection, where he could go and watch any tape at any time. During his tenure there on his down time, he saw a shelf that only had a few master tapes on it. One was for Droz's unaired accident that was recorded for Smackdown, where D'lo accidentally broke his neck and paralyzed him.. The other was for Owen's accident. The tapes had "instructions never to destroy, view or duplicate." on them. Kevin claims that he could have easily made copies of them but wouldn't dare. He did not watch them. Over the Edge was released for the very first time since original broadcasting in 2014, on the WWE Network. All references to Owen were removed, aside from a new tribute graphic opening the show. With rebroadcastings often changing camera angles, and recent unearthed videos like the hard camera video of Andre vs Hogan at Wrestlemania III, one must wonder what exactly exists in the WWE library." So would a "master tape" include recorded footage for each of 6 (or whatever) different cameras? I wonder if that would be different for an event like Wrestlemania III v. a throwaway PPV like Over the Edge.
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Post by BigBadZ on Dec 18, 2014 22:26:32 GMT -5
He got in trouble for searching "divas in business suits" one too many times....
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Dec 19, 2014 6:10:06 GMT -5
I wrote this awhile ago but never got around to publishing it. It's from a Kevin Kelly podcast: "Kevin had regular access to WWE's tape collection, where he could go and watch any tape at any time. During his tenure there on his down time, he saw a shelf that only had a few master tapes on it. One was for Droz's unaired accident that was recorded for Smackdown, where D'lo accidentally broke his neck and paralyzed him.. The other was for Owen's accident. The tapes had "instructions never to destroy, view or duplicate." on them. Kevin claims that he could have easily made copies of them but wouldn't dare. He did not watch them. Over the Edge was released for the very first time since original broadcasting in 2014, on the WWE Network. All references to Owen were removed, aside from a new tribute graphic opening the show. With rebroadcastings often changing camera angles, and recent unearthed videos like the hard camera video of Andre vs Hogan at Wrestlemania III, one must wonder what exactly exists in the WWE library." So would a "master tape" include recorded footage for each of 6 (or whatever) different cameras? I wonder if that would be different for an event like Wrestlemania III v. a throwaway PPV like Over the Edge. Vince fined Batista, Jericho, Malenko and the referee during one match where Batista bladed on Raw. As evidence, Vince produced a video tape with every angle from every camera, including one Jericho said he never even knew existed from high up in the arena.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Dec 19, 2014 7:00:02 GMT -5
I always heard that the Titantron was going on so no one was focused on Owen...so why the hell was he doing the stunt if the focus wasn't on him? I get why they keep it, but I'd be tempted just to destroy it and be done. The stunt itself was thought of a few days before the event. The show was already written when one of the guys in production called Vince Russo and told him that the people who lower Sting from the ceiling in WCW were going to be at the show and wanted to see an example of something they could possibly do in the future for the WWE. Russo looked through the show and thought that Owen being lowered from the ceiling would be really cool for his character. Owen didn't say anything though about not wanting to do it (to make all of that backstory as brief as possible) before anyone gets into the whole "Vince Russo killed Owen Hart" bullshit morons like Cornette like to spread
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Dec 19, 2014 7:06:19 GMT -5
I always heard that the Titantron was going on so no one was focused on Owen...so why the hell was he doing the stunt if the focus wasn't on him? I get why they keep it, but I'd be tempted just to destroy it and be done. The stunt itself was thought of a few days before the event. The show was already written when one of the guys in production called Vince Russo and told him that the people who lower Sting from the ceiling in WCW were going to be at the show and wanted to see an example of something they could possibly do in the future for the WWE. Russo looked through the show and thought that Owen being lowered from the ceiling would be really cool for his character. Owen didn't say anything though about not wanting to do it (to make all of that backstory as brief as possible) before anyone gets into the whole "Vince Russo killed Owen Hart" bullshit morons like Cornette like to spread He refused like his well known fear of heights and refusal to do more than a single rehearsal.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Dec 19, 2014 7:19:41 GMT -5
The stunt itself was thought of a few days before the event. The show was already written when one of the guys in production called Vince Russo and told him that the people who lower Sting from the ceiling in WCW were going to be at the show and wanted to see an example of something they could possibly do in the future for the WWE. Russo looked through the show and thought that Owen being lowered from the ceiling would be really cool for his character. Owen didn't say anything though about not wanting to do it (to make all of that backstory as brief as possible) before anyone gets into the whole "Vince Russo killed Owen Hart" bullshit morons like Cornette like to spread He refused like his well known fear of heights and refusal to do more than a single rehearsal. He did not refuse to do more than one rehearsal, he no showed them and gave them a "oh don't worry we'll get to it" kind of response from everything I've heard. Not to mention Russo has gone on record to say that Owen asked him about changing other things with the stunt (Like coming out before instead of after The Godfather) but never said anything about being afraid of doing it. Considering he's the guy you go to to change these things, you can't blame them for not knowing.
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