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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2014 13:01:46 GMT -5
Jeff Jarrett was never a big defection. He was a mid card snoozer. Nobody ever cared much about Jarrett Hey, that's the former World Heavyweight Champion of the World you're talking about, slappy. |
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Dec 19, 2014 14:53:59 GMT -5
Jeff Jarrett was never a big defection. He was a mid card snoozer. Nobody ever cared much about Jarrett I'd say he was, in that he was WCW's attempt at doing what the WWF always claimed they did, taking a midcard guy who was never going to move up, and make him into a star. While not the level of Mankind/Austin obviously, they did make him a decent main event guy, not someone to build the company around but a solid hand. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2014 15:30:58 GMT -5
Jarrett was a huge defection.
a) WCW made Jarrett their top heel and world champion, and he parlayed his success/exposure there into starting up TNA, which still exists today.
b) his defection cost Vince about $250k (anyone here should know what this is about).
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Post by Reflecto on Dec 19, 2014 15:37:29 GMT -5
]Actually Haku wasn't under contract at the end of his WCW run. Which is why WWF signed him and he moved over so quick. He barely, if at all, gave WCW notice. He gave the belt to Barbarian (his legit friend) when he got the WWF offer, to give the belt back to WCW. WCW responded by just retiring the hardcore title. Because of the fact he wasn't under contract and was merely signed day-to-day, there is a chance Haku could have been overtaken by Mona/Molly Holly (the big WWF/WCW defection that everyone forgot about) as "last BIG one" there- and even that's a small defection compared to the others. |
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Post by DoubleDare on Dec 19, 2014 17:24:15 GMT -5
Raven in Sept 2000 was cool, i guess he went from wcw to ecw to.wwf, but still.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Dec 19, 2014 19:29:44 GMT -5
Jarrett was a huge defection. a) WCW made Jarrett their top heel and world champion, and he parlayed his success/exposure there into starting up TNA, which still exists today. b) his defection cost Vince about $250k (anyone here should know what this is about). Jarrett didn't cost WWF a dime. He just wanted all of his contractually obligated money up front on his last date. For WCW, it was a chance to take a solid mechanic, who had been the WWF Intercontinental champion the previous day. |
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Dec 20, 2014 0:19:59 GMT -5
Jarrett was a huge defection. a) WCW made Jarrett their top heel and world champion, and he parlayed his success/exposure there into starting up TNA, which still exists today. b) his defection cost Vince about $250k (anyone here should know what this is about). Jarrett didn't cost WWF a dime. He just wanted all of his contractually obligated money up front on his last date. For WCW, it was a chance to take a solid mechanic, who had been the WWF Intercontinental champion the previous day. Jarrett was more than a mechanic, he was perfect for the direction WCW was headed in. He was a good hand who had experience in the batshit angles that were the trend at the time from his years in Memphis. |
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Dec 20, 2014 0:27:19 GMT -5
Jarrett didn't cost WWF a dime. He just wanted all of his contractually obligated money up front on his last date. For WCW, it was a chance to take a solid mechanic, who had been the WWF Intercontinental champion the previous day. Jarrett was more than a mechanic, he was perfect for the direction WCW was headed in. He was a good hand who had experience in the batshit angles that were the trend at the time from his years in Memphis. To the WWF, he was very much a mechanic, though he was very useful in the sense you could match anyone up with him, and it was guaranteed that they could get face heat on him because everyone despised him, as opposed to someone like Val Venis who could never transition into a solid heel role. In WCW, he was one of Russo's boys, so it was easier for Jeff to make a move higher up the card, especially since Russo and Ferrera wanted a youth movement and needed a top heel who was still below forty, and yet had enough experience to work with guys that needed more seasoning. |
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Post by Sephiroth on Dec 20, 2014 14:59:18 GMT -5
The biggest thing about Jarrett was the suddenness of it. He jumped in literally 24 hours, so it was kit of a gasper to see him show up on WCW right after his last WWF match.
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Post by Stu on Dec 20, 2014 15:07:03 GMT -5
The simplest way to look at it is that Jarrett was an established character who was on TV every week. He was literally a title holder and involved in a major angle until his last day on the job. His defection shouldn't be overlooked simply because he wasn't Austin, Rock or Triple H.
If we were talking about someone like Mideon, Viscera or Gangrel,it would've been a different story.
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Post by SHAKEMASTER TV9 is Don Knotts on Dec 20, 2014 15:18:04 GMT -5
Jeff Jarrett was a big defection in that I remember Access Hollywood or Extra covered his first WCW appearance. This was around early Smackdown so there was a lot more WWF news on TV. He's on a Chris Jericho defecting to WWF level, except Y2J was actually popular and sold some merchandise. Did anyone buy a Slapnuts t-shirt? I remember commercials for it during Nitro.
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Post by CM Dazz on Dec 20, 2014 17:36:54 GMT -5
Jarrett was a huge defection. a) WCW made Jarrett their top heel and world champion, and he parlayed his success/exposure there into starting up TNA, which still exists today. b) his defection cost Vince about $250k (anyone here should know what this is about). I was a big Jarrett fan during this run. Never cared for him before or after though... |
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Dec 20, 2014 17:42:38 GMT -5
Jarrett and Dustin Runnels were the last couple of stars to go from WWE to WCW. Sure, you had some guys like Ahmed Johnson who eventually showed up in WCW, but he was out of the WWE for a couple of years. Terry Funk, Chris Candido and Tammy went there, but they weren't going directly from WWE to WCW.
As for WCW wrestlers going to WWE, the Radicals, Regal, and Haku were the last that I can remember.
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Post by Flash Burton on Dec 21, 2014 5:27:07 GMT -5
The Road Dogg was released from WWE so I'm not sure he'd count as a deflection
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Post by thegame415 on Dec 21, 2014 8:33:25 GMT -5
Jeff Jarrett was a big defection in that I remember Access Hollywood or Extra covered his first WCW appearance. This was around early Smackdown so there was a lot more WWF news on TV. He's on a Chris Jericho defecting to WWF level, except Y2J was actually popular and sold some merchandise. Did anyone buy a Slapnuts t-shirt? I remember commercials for it during Nitro. I saw it written in paint (the washable, "just married" stuff) on the back of a truck during Spring Break 2000. But, Panama City was WCW country at that time, so... If this was during Spring Break, are you sure it was referencing Jarrett? |
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Post by ICBM on Dec 21, 2014 9:19:03 GMT -5
Lawler quoted himself in his book about the possible wcw move. During a discussion with JR he was amazed at the way they were dismissing his value to WWF TV. He said "You know where I can be next Monday right?". But he did not go
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Dec 21, 2014 10:49:51 GMT -5
Didn't Jerry Lawler quit over the Kat's firing with the intention of heading to WCW right at the very end only to have nothing come of it due to their collapse? pretty much. he ended up pretty much begging for his job back and getting half as much money as before. on top of that his wife he quit for cheated on him with some guy. all in all it was a pretty crappy time to be Jerry Lawler. |
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Dec 21, 2014 20:33:42 GMT -5
None of these were big defections. You could make an argument for Ahmed Johnson but his career had already hit the skids by the time he hit WCW, and he only counted as a big defection by then if 'defection' means 'weight gain.'
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Dec 21, 2014 20:43:12 GMT -5
Bret Hart might have been the last BIG defection from WWE to WCW.
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Post by froggyfrog on Dec 22, 2014 0:44:53 GMT -5
Jeff Jarrett was a big defection in that I remember Access Hollywood or Extra covered his first WCW appearance. This was around early Smackdown so there was a lot more WWF news on TV. He's on a Chris Jericho defecting to WWF level, except Y2J was actually popular and sold some merchandise. Did anyone buy a Slapnuts t-shirt? I remember commercials for it during Nitro. I saw someone in a Target wearing a Slapnuts t shirt as recently as 2 years ago |
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