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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2014 8:29:23 GMT -5
What they should retcon is that one company decided at some point to have duplicates of all their titles and tried to pretend that their other show was an entirely separate entity.
I'm sure they initially thought they were going to make two sets of stars, but really they just shipped the same handful of guys around and nerfed what it means to be a champion.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 26, 2014 10:14:13 GMT -5
They need to figure out if it has the WCW Title Lineage or not first
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Dec 26, 2014 10:57:21 GMT -5
They need to figure out if it has the WCW Title Lineage or not first The WCW Lineage died when Y2J unified the titles. And then for some reason was re-instated for King Booker's reign.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 26, 2014 10:59:16 GMT -5
They need to figure out if it has the WCW Title Lineage or not first The WCW Lineage died when Y2J unified the titles. And then for some reason was re-instated for King Booker's reign. They seem to go back and forth whether it is or it isn't which was what I was referring to .
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Post by BRV on Dec 26, 2014 11:11:26 GMT -5
It would make everything more honest and realistic in terms of wrestling history and importance.
Edge goes from an 11-time world champion to a four-time world champion. 13-time world champion Triple H is now eight-time world champion Triple H. Batista goes from a six-time champion to a two-time champion.
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Post by The Tee Why on Dec 26, 2014 13:46:43 GMT -5
No, this isn't Dragon Ball Z, nothing should be 'retconned' Frieza was always the most powerful being in the universe, even if he didn't always spell his name with an "i". Sweeeeeegggg
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Post by Squirrel Master on Dec 26, 2014 14:00:09 GMT -5
Booker T is the FIVE-TIME! FIVE-TIME! FIVE-TIME! WCW World Heavyweight Champion
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Post by trollrogue on Dec 26, 2014 16:18:00 GMT -5
Now that the WCW lineage is once again (or once agaiyn as Jericho would say) Undisputedly one half of the current top WWE belt, it makes more sense to say that former WCW WHC/Bischoff WHC holders were World Title reigners too. It retroactively (rather than retconning) makes Ziggler a bigger deal because he's technically held (a half) of the current WWE WHC top belt, as well as Swagger. There's no longer a way to separate the reigns of WWE and WHC titles in the company, so if Ziggler ever grabs the true brass ring he's a 3-time World champ.
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Post by Sephiroth on Dec 26, 2014 16:24:24 GMT -5
They only just merged the damn things a few months ago, why would they split them apart again???
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Post by PsychoGoatee on Dec 26, 2014 17:32:35 GMT -5
They only just merged the damn things a few months ago, why would they split them apart again??? Retcon means changing the past in a story, in this case meaning changing it so the WHC is no longer considered a world title, but I guess more of a midcard title. Doesn't mean bringing it back. Personally, I don't think that would make sense. I do see it as a midcard belt for the last several years of it's run pretty much, and very secondary. But these things don't need to be "official-ized" I'd say. It would make everything more honest and realistic in terms of wrestling history and importance. Edge goes from an 11-time world champion to a four-time world champion. 13-time world champion Triple H is now eight-time world champion Triple H. Batista goes from a six-time champion to a two-time champion. This wouldn't be nice to The Undertaker though, and would diminish a couple of his best WrestleMania moments. One involving Edge too.
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Post by TheMediocreWarrior on Dec 26, 2014 18:21:57 GMT -5
I wouldn't say so. The fact is that for most of their runs the two titles did go back and forth on which was more important and the World one did matter quite a bit. Just because around 2011 they seemingly just gave up on the thing shouldn't erase the eight years of it being a valid title before it. And I wish it was still around honestly. The roster's too thin for it, but it'd make this Lesnar shit and the, "We want to push this guy, screw those other people!" stuff much more bearable since at least the other guys would have a consolation prize of sorts that's still actually kind of important. It's what they should be doing with the IC Title. In Lesnar's absence, Ziggler is in effect the top champion and more wrestlers should be going after him. This whole thing with the WHC would have been easier for fans to wrap their heads around if they unified the titles when the brand split ended. Inevitably, one title needed to take a back seat to the other. I say keep it as a "world title". First of all, it's in the name. Second, retconning it as a midcard title would mean Undertaker didn't win any world titles after 2002, and Rey's only world title win lasted for a couple of hours.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2014 4:55:53 GMT -5
It was always booked as a midcard title in WWE, might as well acknowledge that it was.
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Post by jp49er80 on Dec 27, 2014 5:48:04 GMT -5
They should bring it back and call it what it is - the 'Test Run' Belt.
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Post by Unaffiliated on Dec 27, 2014 14:35:12 GMT -5
Come to think of it... have they even mentioned Cena possibly equaling Ric Flair's record 16 World Title reigns in the buildup to his match against Lesnar at the Rumble? If they haven't, there's possibly a quiet retconning in process.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2014 18:36:38 GMT -5
Come to think of it... have they even mentioned Cena possibly equaling Ric Flair's record 16 World Title reigns in the buildup to his match against Lesnar at the Rumble? If they haven't, there's possibly a quiet retconning in process. Not recently but JBL has mentioned it a few times and Cole has too.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Dec 27, 2014 18:42:30 GMT -5
It was always booked as a midcard title in WWE. Except when it was held by HHH.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Dec 27, 2014 18:43:44 GMT -5
I wouldn't say so. The fact is that for most of their runs the two titles did go back and forth on which was more important and the World one did matter quite a bit. Just because around 2011 they seemingly just gave up on the thing shouldn't erase the eight years of it being a valid title before it. And I wish it was still around honestly. The roster's too thin for it, but it'd make this Lesnar shit and the, "We want to push this guy, screw those other people!" stuff much more bearable since at least the other guys would have a consolation prize of sorts that's still actually kind of important. It's what they should be doing with the IC Title. In Lesnar's absence, Ziggler is in effect the top champion and more wrestlers should be going after him. This whole thing with the WHC would have been easier for fans to wrap their heads around if they unified the titles when the brand split ended. Inevitably, one title needed to take a back seat to the other. I say keep it as a "world title". First of all, it's in the name. Second, retconning it as a midcard title would mean Undertaker didn't win any world titles after 2002, and Rey's only world title win lasted for a couple of hours. Same with Shawn Michaels and Booker T.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Dec 27, 2014 20:16:12 GMT -5
That belt has headlined shows, over the WWE title, including at Manias. Making it a non-world title now would be absolutely ridiculous.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Dec 28, 2014 6:18:54 GMT -5
Triple H would never allow it. It was the title created for, and built around him, admitting it was a second tier title would be like admitting he's a second tier performer and they'd never allow that.
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Dec 28, 2014 10:21:02 GMT -5
What they should retcon is that one company decided at some point to have duplicates of all their titles and tried to pretend that their other show was an entirely separate entity. I'm sure they initially thought they were going to make two sets of stars, but really they just shipped the same handful of guys around and nerfed what it means to be a champion. I absolutely loathed the "Hey! Let's give EVERYONE a title!" time period.
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