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Post by Some Guy on Dec 26, 2014 13:43:01 GMT -5
This isn't really a thread about James Storm, but I just wanted to ask why exactly is it so much easier for them to book a cult like leader than the WWE? They have a tiny ass roster at this point, but they have consistently made James Storm creepy and grabbed followers through a variety of different means. He doesn't sit there every week delivering pointless promos about absolutely nothing. He actually acts, and in doing so, remains in the shadows to a degree while letting his followers do the work for him. Maybe it's a bit more like Raven than what Bray Wyatt's initial purpose is or was, but still.
Ever since they chose the completely wrong guy for Bray to absorb into the Family with Daniel Bryan, they haven't even bothered to do anything more with that. Hell, he's completely alone now, which makes his gimmick almost completely pointless. What is the point of a creepy cryptic dude that claims to have so many people "follow the buzzards" in the crowd when he doesn't even have anyone with him? It's just annoying more than anything, and I was bored enough to rant on Boxing Day about it.
PS James Storm rules
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Dec 26, 2014 13:58:28 GMT -5
I agree...but at the same time, look at the dudes Storm has grabbed. f***ing Manik? I'd rather roll by myself, haha.
EDIT: OH MY GOD, ABYSS IS IN THE GROUP NOW, ISN'T HE? Totally forgot. Yeah, f*** that team. If you let a man as trash as Abyss in, your group isn't worth anything.
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Post by Some Guy on Dec 26, 2014 14:03:32 GMT -5
He also grabbed Sanada and a couple of other guys...I'm not focusing on the talent in the group necessarily, just merely that they're actually booking him the way Bray should be being booked. TNA's roster is insanely small right now, so it's fine.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2014 14:06:34 GMT -5
Everything about the way they use Bray is just trash. He can be alright in the ring if he has someone good to work off of and he is a good speaker, but his promos are just terrible with how every single one of them has a bunch of vague incoherent nonsense that all boil down to the same, "The people the fans like are lying to them!" shit over and over and over, and what little of his gimmick hasn't been stripped away at this point is still just impossible to take seriously. I don't particularly like the cult leader thing to begin with but they could be doing it so much better than they do.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Dec 26, 2014 14:06:38 GMT -5
Yeah. Storm's group is getting little victories and has an actual story of their own.
Bray Wyatt and his former Family seem like their only role is to "keep X top face busy for a few months".
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Dec 26, 2014 14:07:58 GMT -5
He also grabbed Sanada and a couple of other guys...I'm not focusing on the talent in the group necessarily, just merely that they're actually booking him the way Bray should be being booked. TNA's roster is insanely small right now, so it's fine. Oh, yeah, I got that and I agree with the point you are making. But still...ABYSS. |
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Post by Andy Martin on Dec 26, 2014 14:08:58 GMT -5
Everything about the way they use Bray is just trash. He can be alright in the ring if he has someone good to work off of and he is a good speaker, but his promos are just terrible with how every single one of them has a bunch of vague incoherent nonsense that all boil down to the same, "The people the fans like are lying to them!" shit over and over and over, and what little of his gimmick hasn't been stripped away at this point is still just impossible to take seriously. I don't particularly like the cult leader thing to begin with but they could be doing it so much better than they do. Doesn't Wyatt have a large say(if not complete control) over his promos? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2014 14:10:19 GMT -5
Everything about the way they use Bray is just trash. He can be alright in the ring if he has someone good to work off of and he is a good speaker, but his promos are just terrible with how every single one of them has a bunch of vague incoherent nonsense that all boil down to the same, "The people the fans like are lying to them!" shit over and over and over, and what little of his gimmick hasn't been stripped away at this point is still just impossible to take seriously. I don't particularly like the cult leader thing to begin with but they could be doing it so much better than they do. Doesn't Wyatt have a large say(if not complete control) over his promos? From what I've heard, though they probably still tell him what the story they want to sell is. If he's the one who keeps rehashing this shit all on his own then it's his fault too. |
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Dec 26, 2014 14:12:10 GMT -5
Although, I will say this.
From a credibility standpoint, the Wyatts murk the Church of Storm. The Wyatts are feuding with top guys. Half of Storm's group is made up of X-Divsion geeks and f***ing ABYSS.
I'm sorry to keep harping on that but...IT'S ABYSS IN 2014. Soon, it will be ABYSS IN 2015. Korporate Kane thinks he's washed up and should just retire.
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Post by Andy Martin on Dec 26, 2014 14:12:52 GMT -5
Doesn't Wyatt have a large say(if not complete control) over his promos? From what I've heard, though they probably still tell him what the story they want to sell is. If he's the one who keeps rehashing this shit all on his own then it's his fault too. Yeah, if the rumours of him having control are true(or if he IS the one rehashing all that stuff) then they need to take that control away from him because his promos have become utter dog shit. |
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Post by Sephiroth on Dec 26, 2014 14:16:53 GMT -5
Although, I will say this. From a credibility standpoint, the Wyatts murk the Church of Storm. The Wyatts are feuding with top guys. Half of Storm's group is made up of X-Divsion geeks and f***ing ABYSS. I'm sorry to keep harping on that but...IT'S ABYSS IN 2014. Soon, it will be ABYSS IN 2015. Korporate Kane thinks he's washed up and should just retire. Every group needs comedy relief. |
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Dec 26, 2014 14:25:59 GMT -5
This is where Wyatt kind of sucks, and Storm's group takes cues from Ministry Era Undertaker. Thanks to Russo I'm guessing, who gives everyone something to do, Ministry Taker took guys who weren't doing a damn thing and had come out of gimmicks (Blackjack Bradshaw, Farooq post-Nation, Mabel, Phineas Godwin), and gave those guys a purpose they wouldn't have otherwise. James Storm's doing the same thing.
Today's writing though? If you're not one of the 20 people who WWE has on TV, you can basically f*** off and enjoy Superstars and jobbing until you're cut. WWE now doesn't like to take guys who aren't doing anything. They'd rather just waste them instead of coming up with new ideas for them, unless you're lucky and someone decided to randomly give you something to do ala Tyson Kidd. Just picture Brodus Clay post-Funkasarus being a Wyatt, giving him a decent roll again. Or Justin Gabriel, have him be brainwashed as start killing fools wiht chairs in the name of Bray. Or any of the future endevored folks being brainwashed minion. It'd be cool...but WWE doesn't think so, so "informed cult" we get.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Dec 26, 2014 14:30:53 GMT -5
Holding the TNA tag titles and molesting Asian pretty boys aren't consider a success story unless you're Gary Glitter. The Wyatt Family were involved in the upper midcard/main event mix and threats to everyone until they splinter off. The Revolution so far are James Storm whose stock is in the basement that cosplaying Bray Wyatt is considered an improvement, a couple of X Division wrestlers, a complete joke in Abyss, and a confused Indian muscleman. They haven't done shit of value besides winning the tag titles and kidnapping dudes. Sure the Wyatts could had got more members but if it's the Mideons, Viscera, and Gangrels of the roster to pad up the numbers; I rather they stay small. |
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Post by FinalGwen on Dec 26, 2014 14:34:47 GMT -5
Although, I will say this. From a credibility standpoint, the Wyatts murk the Church of Storm. The Wyatts are feuding with top guys. Half of Storm's group is made up of X-Divsion geeks and f***ing ABYSS. I'm sorry to keep harping on that but...IT'S ABYSS IN 2014. Soon, it will be ABYSS IN 2015. Korporate Kane thinks he's washed up and should just retire. The Wyatts aren't feuding with top guys because currently the Wyatts don't exist as an entity. Wyatt is feuding with a top guy. That's it. The point is, no matter how you slice it with what TNA's doing, at least they're trying with what they have, while Wyatt's gimmick is being contradicted by what's happening with him. Cult leader without a cult. It's like Dean Ambrose being presented as the 'Lunatic Fringe' while not doing anything out of the ordinary, acting demure and wrestling a methodical, plodding style. Wait, hold on, I just described Randy Orton. It's like... If Kane turned into Corporate Kane but the commentators and angles just didn't acknowledge it, and just treated him like his old monster self and expected us to go along with it. |
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Dec 26, 2014 14:37:26 GMT -5
Although, I will say this. From a credibility standpoint, the Wyatts murk the Church of Storm. The Wyatts are feuding with top guys. Half of Storm's group is made up of X-Divsion geeks and f***ing ABYSS. I'm sorry to keep harping on that but...IT'S ABYSS IN 2014. Soon, it will be ABYSS IN 2015. Korporate Kane thinks he's washed up and should just retire. The Wyatts aren't feuding with top guys because currently the Wyatts don't exist as an entity. Wyatt is feuding with a top guy. That's it. The point is, no matter how you slice it with what TNA's doing, at least they're trying with what they have, while Wyatt's gimmick is being contradicted by what's happening with him. Cult leader without a cult. It's like Dean Ambrose being presented as the 'Lunatic Fringe' while not doing anything out of the ordinary, acting demure and wrestling a methodical, plodding style. Wait, hold on, I just described Randy Orton. It's like... If Kane turned into Corporate Kane but the commentators and angles just didn't acknowledge it, and just treated him like his old monster self and expected us to go along with it. I was referring to when the Wyatts were actually a unit and comparing them to the Storm group now. Don't get me wrong, I totally get what you are saying and I agree. BUT. Abyss. |
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Post by 4real on Dec 26, 2014 15:40:04 GMT -5
Adam Rose is a better cult leader than both Storm & Wyatt imo.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Dec 26, 2014 15:46:07 GMT -5
Adam Rose is a better cult leader than both Storm & Wyatt imo. Adam Rose, after all, has a guy in a bunny suit believing that he's an actual bunny. |
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Post by mizerable on Dec 26, 2014 15:57:43 GMT -5
I've been saying for a long LONG time that Bray needs to wrestle less and act more as a manager.
Even with the BS promos, they'd work if it motivated his brainwashed followers.
Hell, use R Truth, Axel, Slater, and retain Harper. Any time someone didn't deliver Bray's "message", he'd punish them. It's certainly better than Bray trying to deliver that message himself and failing...that makes him look like an idiot.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2014 15:59:49 GMT -5
I've been saying for a long LONG time that Bray needs to wrestle less and act more as a manager. Even with the BS promos, they'd work if it motivated his brainwashed followers. Hell, use R Truth, Axel, Slater, and retain Harper. Any time someone didn't deliver Bray's "message", he'd punish them. It's certainly better than Bray trying to deliver that message himself and failing...that makes him look like an idiot. Yeah, someone like Bray should be more of a final boss figure. You almost never get to touch him but even if you make it through his ranks to get your hands on him there's still a serious chance you're just going to get stomped. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2014 16:03:10 GMT -5
Holy shit he's still giving the same shitty promo about false idols and false saviors!? Dude was trash from jump street.
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