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Post by walterharrow on Dec 27, 2014 10:57:22 GMT -5
A lot of people have compared Roman Reigns' push to the push that was given to Batista at the end of 2004/beginning of 2005 and i was wondering who people think is/was better overall (ring work, charisma, mic skills, look etc)
I personall dont think Reigns is ready yet, but ive been watching a few clips of Batista and he wasnt really that good either (i was a big fan of his at the time). He was similar to Reigns in terms of being over with the crowd but not being that great in the ring (but he did go on to have a good match against HHH in my opinion)
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Post by auph10imitated on Dec 27, 2014 11:30:35 GMT -5
You could add Diesel from 1994-1995 to this too. Seems like a ten year trend
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2014 11:37:02 GMT -5
I'd give the edge to Reigns. Both have a good look and good physical charisma, but Reigns is more athletic and has somewhat better mic skills (though that's neither guy's strong suit) than 04/05 Batista. Batista definitely had the better angle, though - his slow-burn feud with HHH was done pretty much perfectly. I doubt Reigns will get anything near as compelling.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Dec 27, 2014 11:41:27 GMT -5
We haven't seen Roman's push play-out. We should wait to see how he comes off from Rumble to Mania.
Batista didn't seem as exposed on the mic. He often had a stone-faced look, which was pretty effective. The big money moment for him was when he called back to Evolution turning on Orton by giving Triple H the thumbs down. I can still remember how he looked stone-faced while staring at Triple H. Roman has been doing more talking. He has developed a real natural promo style that works for him yet. He came across kind of poorly at TLC, especially when he messed up his lines, paused, and made a dumb face before finishing the promo. This is just one tiny moment though.
Batista also had the benefit of playing off Triple H and Ric Flair. Batista came off so strong against Triple H and their matches delivered.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Dec 27, 2014 11:43:36 GMT -5
We haven't seen Roman's push play-out. We should wait to see how he comes off from Rumble to Mania. Batista didn't seem as exposed on the mic. He often had a stone-faced look, which was pretty effective. The big money moment for him was when he called back to Evolution turning on Orton by giving Triple H the thumbs down. I can still remember how he looked stone-faced while staring at Triple H. Roman has been doing more talking. He has developed a real natural promo style that works for him yet. He came across kind of poorly at TLC, especially when he messed up his lines, paused, and made a dumb face before finishing the promo. This is just one tiny moment though. I beg to differ. Batista's post-title win promos in 2005 were painfully bad. Roman's worst aren't anything close
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Dec 27, 2014 11:45:05 GMT -5
I don't know if people have forgotten just how trash Batista used to be but from a pure athletic standpoint, Roman murks 05 Batista. He can't be any worse at promos than face Batista on top of that.
The reason Batista got so huge was because he had the top heel in the company doing everything in his power to make him look like a million bucks. Roman isn't gonna have that luxury.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2014 12:03:06 GMT -5
I don't know if people have forgotten just how trash Batista used to be but from a pure athletic standpoint, Roman murks 05 Batista. He can't be any worse at promos than face Batista on top of that. The reason Batista got so huge was because he had the top heel in the company doing everything in his power to make him look like a million bucks. Roman isn't gonna have that luxury. That is true. We sometimes forget that Batista wasn't that great of a worker back then, but what helps him was how well that storyline was presented, and it was arguably the one time where Triple H worked a program where he put over somebody. Reigns isn't gonna have that luxury, because I don't think Lesnar is gonna give him a proper rub on his way out.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Dec 27, 2014 12:07:51 GMT -5
We haven't seen Roman's push play-out. We should wait to see how he comes off from Rumble to Mania. Batista didn't seem as exposed on the mic. He often had a stone-faced look, which was pretty effective. The big money moment for him was when he called back to Evolution turning on Orton by giving Triple H the thumbs down. I can still remember how he looked stone-faced while staring at Triple H. Roman has been doing more talking. He has developed a real natural promo style that works for him yet. He came across kind of poorly at TLC, especially when he messed up his lines, paused, and made a dumb face before finishing the promo. This is just one tiny moment though. I beg to differ. Batista's post-title win promos in 2005 were painfully bad. Roman's worst aren't anything close I wasn't really comparing Batista post-title win. I was going back to early 2004 before Batista got his Mania win. I remember that big segment where Dave chooses which title he will go for. He barely says anything in the segment. Bischoff, Teddy Long, and Triple H do most of the talking while Batista kind of keeps on a poker face. Batista had been giving a lot of his facial expressions during the months that led up to that moment. Sometimes he would eavesdrop on Triple H and Ric Flair while they were talking about him and he would just give a look. That's what I was referring to when I said they protected Batista during the build-up by not having him speaking as much. I was thinking we were trying to compare Roman Reigns right now to Batista BEFORE his big Mania title win.
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Post by Instant Classic on Dec 27, 2014 12:19:33 GMT -5
I'll wait for his actual push.
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Post by KobashiChop on Dec 27, 2014 12:53:50 GMT -5
Batista was flat out ready to go when his time came. Not definitely sure Roman is.
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Post by Chip Jordan on Dec 27, 2014 13:30:43 GMT -5
Fans were begging to see someone/anyone dethrone Triple H back at Wrestlemania 21. This time it isn't the same.
Unless the main event of Wrestlemania sees Reigns defeat a heel John Cena it's not going to achieve the same reaction. And we all know they won't turn Cena heel. Instead he will lurk in the background, ready to step in when Roman fails.
Remember the saying "To be the man, you've got to beat the man". Bret Hart never got to beat Hulk Hogan - will Roman Reigns get the chance to dethrone John Cena?
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Post by FAR5222 on Dec 27, 2014 13:58:58 GMT -5
The younger me liked Batista and I read dirtsheets at the time and I still liked Batista. Reigns is meh to me. I don't feel the same presence with him as I felt with Batista when I was younger. Hell I still feel a presence when Cena comes out.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Dec 27, 2014 14:21:54 GMT -5
Batista was flat out ready to go when his time came. Not definitely sure Roman is. Again, Batista kinda wasn't ready though. He wasn't awful by any means and had a lot of physical charisma but he certainly wasn't up to the level of other top talent during that time. Same goes for Cena. Great talker but not good at all in the ring. Batista got a ton of help from HHH. HHH went out of his way to elevate Batista and make him a top guy because he personally saw a ton of potential in him. He is, beyond a shadow of a doubt, the guy that HHH is gonna hang his hat on and go "see, I made that guy. I'm not all bad!" What people seem to ignore is that a guy doesn't necessarily have to be great when they get the rocket strapped on them. In fact, those are the guys you want to strap the rocket onto. The guys who aren't fully polished but are connecting with crowds and you can tell are gonna develop into something special if they get the machine behind them. To Batista's credit, by like 2007, he was a perfectly acceptable main event guy as far as his in-ring work went. Let's see where Roman is a year from now before we say whether or not he's "ready."
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Dec 27, 2014 14:31:59 GMT -5
Batista was flat out ready to go when his time came. Not definitely sure Roman is. Again, Batista kinda wasn't ready though. He wasn't awful by any means and had a lot of physical charisma but he certainly wasn't up to the level of other top talent during that time. Same goes for Cena. Great talker but not good at all in the ring. Batista got a ton of help from HHH. HHH went out of his way to elevate Batista and make him a top guy because he personally saw a ton of potential in him. He is, beyond a shadow of a doubt, the guy that HHH is gonna hang his hat on and go "see, I made that guy. I'm not all bad!" What people seem to ignore is that a guy doesn't necessarily have to be great when they get the rocket strapped on them. In fact, those are the guys you want to strap the rocket onto. The guys who aren't fully polished but are connecting with crowds and you can tell are gonna develop into something special if they get the machine behind them. To Batista's credit, by like 2007, he was a perfectly acceptable main event guy as far as his in-ring work went. Let's see where Roman is a year from now before we say whether or not he's "ready." The difference between Roman and Batista is that Big Dave actually got a small bit of build up. Roman was at the top of the card since the day he showed up; the only time he took a step back was when he and Seth had the tag belts, and that was only out of necessity so that the guys challenging them looked like they had a chance. Reigns isn't going to have that guy who can elevate him. Brock is a beast, but he can't be relied on to carry anyone.
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Post by g1megatronfan on Dec 27, 2014 17:05:58 GMT -5
Batista.
Reigns isn't even in 04-05's Batista's neighborhood. Batista could talk, had a cool factor and was a decent big man in the ring. Reigns has none of that.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2014 17:09:47 GMT -5
Batista had a great storyline that was built over many months (after Orton's push failed).
Reigns won't get that. I think if they really want him cheered, or less likely to get booed, he has to beat Cena at WM and not Lesnar.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Dec 27, 2014 17:10:34 GMT -5
The story or the wrestler?
Roman is better than '04/'05 Batista in all senses, but Batista got better and better. But Batista had a much better story and push, and his matches with Triple H were great even if Batista was only tangentially responsible for that.
Also let's wait until Roman actually wins the title and theoretically beats Brock again at Extreme Rules (ha) before we go comparing them, eh? Roman is barely even being pushed yet.
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Post by khali on Dec 27, 2014 17:18:57 GMT -5
Batista had a better storyline at the time than Reigns will get, but that's it. Batista couldn't cut a promo then and Reigns is far superior to him athletically.
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Post by Racksman on Dec 27, 2014 17:21:48 GMT -5
Eh. I feel like you knew what you were getting from the get-go with Batista. A muscular, hit or miss type of wrestler. He can have great matches, and other times he can stink the joint completely out. When it comes to Reigns, I think he was so protected in the Shield and in multi-mans for 2 years that there were bigger hopes for him. I know that the minute the Shield broke up and Reigns went on his own for those 2-3 months before getting hurt, I lost so much interest in him. Back in June/July, I was salivating at the thought of Roman being the one to dethrone Brock for the title at WM 31. Now? I can't even stomach the thought.
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on Dec 27, 2014 17:28:38 GMT -5
You could add Diesel from 1994-1995 to this too. Seems like a ten year trend Diesel's push makes the pushing of Roman Reigns look as well-built and organic as The Megapowers Exploding. The storyline with HBK was built up well, but basically handing him the WWF Title came out of absolutely nowhere.
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