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Post by Boo! on Jan 1, 2015 14:09:28 GMT -5
Incidentally I think Reigns as champ post-Mania makes it easier to bring Ambrose up in the picture and gives Rollins an excuse to stay there given their history together there'll be a ready-made excuse to do it. With Bryan beyond if you want to extend the Authority angle you need something new. Not that it'd be necessarily a problem but IMO in the pro-Reigns column you at least have easy ready-made summer programme(s)
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Post by aliciafoxfan on Jan 1, 2015 14:09:37 GMT -5
And that's how you make every side happen. Bryan fans get redemption and a long run. Reigns gets more seasoning and by 32 he's ready. And McMahon always said the money is in the chase, not the reign, so let Reigns continue to develop for another 14 months. Bryan can feud with Ryback, Cena, Rollins, Ziggler, Ambrose, RUSEV, Sheamus, Cesaro, and even Orton again if we must. Some old faces mixed in with new faces. Then Bryan can finally get his "Bret Hart" title run of defending the strap against all comers. Fighting Champion 2.0. If Bryan fans need a year long title reign as "redemption" for a guy who got hurt and ruined his own title run then they're out of their minds and need to lower their expectations Jesus man, How did he ruin his own title run? Its not like he got wellnessed, He got hurt through no fault of his own.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Jan 1, 2015 14:19:51 GMT -5
If Bryan fans need a year long title reign as "redemption" for a guy who got hurt and ruined his own title run then they're out of their minds and need to lower their expectations Jesus man, How did he ruin his own title run? Its not like he got wellnessed, He got hurt through no fault of his own. Because people are acting as if Bryan got screwed over in his reign when he actually got injured and had to vacate because of it. He nor anyone else should be entitled to any kind of push, title reign, big match win, etc. on the grounds of injury. Now that's not to say that if the booking makes sense then you don't push that guy again, but the attitude of "He deserves the title for long because we deserve it after he didn't get it last year" to me is a load of crap for an injury based title loss.
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Post by Hot Noodle Truck on Jan 1, 2015 14:23:08 GMT -5
He deserves the title because he's still seemingly the most popular guy they have. Even after being off TV for almost a year.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Jan 1, 2015 14:26:54 GMT -5
He deserves the title because he's still seemingly the most popular guy they have. Even after being off TV for almost a year. Even though he lost the Superstar of the Year vote
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Post by Boo! on Jan 1, 2015 14:29:02 GMT -5
Jesus man, How did he ruin his own title run? Its not like he got wellnessed, He got hurt through no fault of his own. Because people are acting as if Bryan got screwed over in his reign when he actually got injured and had to vacate because of it. He nor anyone else should be entitled to any kind of push, title reign, big match win, etc. on the grounds of injury. Now that's not to say that if the booking makes sense then you don't push that guy again, but the attitude of "He deserves the title for long because we deserve it after he didn't get it last year" to me is a load of crap for an injury based title loss. On that subject, given where they went with Lesnar at SS and where they were always going to Lesnar at SS in 2014, realistically Bryan missed out on being champ at a couple of B-ppvs in the summer. I think they were always likely to want to go with Cena/Lesnar for one reason or another for Summerslam. It sucked for him he was out for so long but I don't think the injury prevented a long title run at all. It's why there might be less of a desire to revisit it internally if all he was robbed off was a spot on top of the card at Payback and MITB. Lesnar's pending involvement n the title scene, it makes me believe all they were going to give Bryan was a slot as 'summer place holder' champ.
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Post by Society of the Spectacle on Jan 1, 2015 14:29:15 GMT -5
Jesus man, How did he ruin his own title run? Its not like he got wellnessed, He got hurt through no fault of his own. Because people are acting as if Bryan got screwed over in his reign when he actually got injured and had to vacate because of it. He nor anyone else should be entitled to any kind of push, title reign, big match win, etc. on the grounds of injury. Now that's not to say that if the booking makes sense then you don't push that guy again, but the attitude of "He deserves the title for long because we deserve it after he didn't get it last year" to me is a load of crap for an injury based title loss. So when you book a guy to have multiple high intensity matches on shows,(RAWs, WM 30, especially), and he gets hurt because of the grueling schedule, that's his fault? And being screwed out of the title? How about kayfabe and non-kayfabe, Summerslam. I would bet that if they would have let Bryan hold the title until WM after he beat Cena at Summerslam, no one would have minded him not main eventing WM 30. They would have been satisfied with a six month fighting champion reign. But the fact that the office's desired story was to take the title off Bryan and keep Orton and Cena in the title picture while Bryan was red hot...that's not being screwed over? I know you claim that you are just sharing your opinion, but you could you try to put it in a way that doesn't have such loaded connotations to it? Like claiming someone messed up their own title reign by getting injured while being a great performer? Come on man. So HBK screwed himself by Undertaker backdropping him onto a casket? Austin screwed himself by getting tombstoned by Owen? Jeez. And he's not entitled to a title run because of the injury, he's entitled to it because the fans are advocating for him. You know, like how they are supposed to, when they like someone?
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Post by eJm on Jan 1, 2015 14:32:20 GMT -5
He deserves the title because he's still seemingly the most popular guy they have. Even after being off TV for almost a year. Even though he lost the Superstar of the Year vote The People's Choice Awards mean more and are less likely to be manipulated then the Slammys. And they're the People's Choice Awards. Edit: I would also like to point out Bryan won Superstar of the Year and it literally took the fans unleashing their fury to achnowledge that in any way, shape and form and even then, it was at the 11th hour.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Jan 1, 2015 14:33:32 GMT -5
Because people are acting as if Bryan got screwed over in his reign when he actually got injured and had to vacate because of it. He nor anyone else should be entitled to any kind of push, title reign, big match win, etc. on the grounds of injury. Now that's not to say that if the booking makes sense then you don't push that guy again, but the attitude of "He deserves the title for long because we deserve it after he didn't get it last year" to me is a load of crap for an injury based title loss. So when you book a guy to have multiple high intensity matches on shows,(RAWs, WM 30, especially), and he gets hurt because of the grueling schedule, that's his fault? And being screwed out of the title? How about kayfabe and non-kayfabe, Summerslam. I would bet that if they would have let Bryan hold the title until WM after he beat Cena at Summerslam, no one would have minded him not main eventing WM 30. They would have been satisfied with a six month fighting champion reign. But the fact that the desired story was to take the title off Bryan and keep Orton and Cena in the title picture while Bryan was red hot...that's not being screwed over? I know you claim that you are just sharing your opinion, but you could you try to put it in a way that doesn't have such loaded connotations to it. Like claiming someone messed up their own title reign by getting injured while being a great performer? Come on man. So HBK screwed himself by Undertaker backdropping him onto a casket? Austin screwed himself by getting tombstoned by Owen? Jeez. And he's not entitled to a title run because of the injury, he's entitled to it because the fans are advocating for him. You know, like how they are supposed to, when they like someone? Yeah he can be champion because people like him, that's fine. But there are people in here acting as if WWE owes them after they didn't get the long Bryan run last year, when as I said, he got injured. In any other form of entertainment, you get hurt and replaced, you gotta wait your turn. If his turn is next because he's popular, fine. But he shouldn't be handed the title and a long reign entirely because the fans feel like they're owed something after they didn't get it last year. Even though he lost the Superstar of the Year vote The People's Choice Awards mean more and are less likely to be manipulated then the Slammys. And they're the People's Choice Awards. PWInsider has stated that the Slammy votes were actually 100% legitimate with no tampering whatsoever. And they didn't do anything to encourage Reigns votes considering he hadn't even been on the show at that point. So to me, he won 100% legit. Personally, I wasn't expecting it at all, but it definitely assured me that Reigns is more popular than most people think he is.
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Post by Hot Noodle Truck on Jan 1, 2015 14:33:45 GMT -5
He deserves the title because he's still seemingly the most popular guy they have. Even after being off TV for almost a year. Even though he lost the Superstar of the Year vote I'm sure that all those votes are 100% legit. And even if they are and Reigns is that popular, there's still the issue that he's nowhere near ready to hold the top title. He's gaining a following but he still has a way to go in ring and on the mic. Don't get me wrong, I'm not one of those people that will crap on anything that's not Bryan related. I'm just saying that if not Bryan, there's more options than just Reigns.
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Post by eJm on Jan 1, 2015 14:36:54 GMT -5
So when you book a guy to have multiple high intensity matches on shows,(RAWs, WM 30, especially), and he gets hurt because of the grueling schedule, that's his fault? And being screwed out of the title? How about kayfabe and non-kayfabe, Summerslam. I would bet that if they would have let Bryan hold the title until WM after he beat Cena at Summerslam, no one would have minded him not main eventing WM 30. They would have been satisfied with a six month fighting champion reign. But the fact that the desired story was to take the title off Bryan and keep Orton and Cena in the title picture while Bryan was red hot...that's not being screwed over? I know you claim that you are just sharing your opinion, but you could you try to put it in a way that doesn't have such loaded connotations to it. Like claiming someone messed up their own title reign by getting injured while being a great performer? Come on man. So HBK screwed himself by Undertaker backdropping him onto a casket? Austin screwed himself by getting tombstoned by Owen? Jeez. And he's not entitled to a title run because of the injury, he's entitled to it because the fans are advocating for him. You know, like how they are supposed to, when they like someone? Yeah he can be champion because people like him, that's fine. But there are people in here acting as if WWE owes them after they didn't get the long Bryan run last year, when as I said, he got injured. In any other form of entertainment, you get hurt and replaced, you gotta wait your turn. If his turn is next because he's popular, fine. But he shouldn't be handed the title and a long reign entirely because the fans feel like they're owed something after they didn't get it last year. The People's Choice Awards mean more and are less likely to be manipulated then the Slammys. And they're the People's Choice Awards. PWInsider has stated that the Slammy votes were actually 100% legitimate with no tampering whatsoever. And they didn't do anything to encourage Reigns votes considering he hadn't even been on the show at that point. So to me, he won 100% legit. Personally, I wasn't expecting it at all, but it definitely assured me that Reigns is more popular than most people think he is. My point was that they have a history of manipulating the results of polls to their own favour. One potentially true one doesn't suddenly allow me to believe that this one wasn't either.
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Post by Andy Martin on Jan 1, 2015 14:36:57 GMT -5
If Bryan fans need a year long title reign as "redemption" for a guy who got hurt and ruined his own title run then they're out of their minds and need to lower their expectations I am not sure how the neck, shoulder and arm injuries Bryan had result in him ruining his own title run. He did not botch trying to hang himself or something. Don't give the dirtsheets any story ideas now.
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Post by gnr123 on Jan 1, 2015 14:42:21 GMT -5
Yeah he can be champion because people like him, that's fine. But there are people in here acting as if WWE owes them after they didn't get the long Bryan run last year, when as I said, he got injured. In any other form of entertainment, you get hurt and replaced, you gotta wait your turn. If his turn is next because he's popular, fine. But he shouldn't be handed the title and a long reign entirely because the fans feel like they're owed something after they didn't get it last year. So that's why Cena can come back and instantly be in the main event again. Or how about when Triple H came back in 2002 and was in the main event over Rock/Hogan. Shawn Michaels was out for years, yet came back and on the World Title. Bryan deserves it more than Reigns does, he's more over and more talented, and the storyline writes itself.
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Post by The Ichi on Jan 1, 2015 14:44:29 GMT -5
And that's how you make every side happen. Bryan fans get redemption and a long run. Reigns gets more seasoning and by 32 he's ready. And McMahon always said the money is in the chase, not the reign, so let Reigns continue to develop for another 14 months. Bryan can feud with Ryback, Cena, Rollins, Ziggler, Ambrose, RUSEV, Sheamus, Cesaro, and even Orton again if we must. Some old faces mixed in with new faces. Then Bryan can finally get his "Bret Hart" title run of defending the strap against all comers. Fighting Champion 2.0. If Bryan fans need a year long title reign as "redemption" for a guy who got hurt and ruined his own title run then they're out of their minds and need to lower their expectations 1. Ruined? He suffered an injury. By this logic, Stone Cold didn't deserve the title at WM14 because Owen dropped him on his head the year before. Please stop being ridiculous. 2. He doesn't deserve it because people on the internet say so, he deserves it because those people actually happen to be right this time. Bryan is still as massively over as he was this time last year, perhaps even more than ever. I don't need to expand on this because I guarantee that the following few weeks, the Rumble, and the Wrestlemania build will prove it. That is, as long as you're not deliberately choosing to ignore it like I'm sure you will do.
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Post by nonrev on Jan 1, 2015 14:55:06 GMT -5
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Jan 1, 2015 14:56:58 GMT -5
If Bryan fans need a year long title reign as "redemption" for a guy who got hurt and ruined his own title run then they're out of their minds and need to lower their expectations 1. Ruined? He suffered an injury. By this logic, Stone Cold didn't deserve the title at WM14 because Owen dropped him on his head the year before. Please stop being ridiculous. 2. He doesn't deserve it because people on the internet say so, he deserves it because those people actually happen to be right this time. Bryan is still as massively over as he was this time last year, perhaps even more than ever. I don't need to expand on this because I guarantee that the following few weeks, the Rumble, and the Wrestlemania build will prove it. That is, as long as you're not deliberately choosing to ignore it like I'm sure you will do. As I said before, I didn't say it was necessarily Bryan's fault he got hurt. And no, that is not the logic I am using. The logic I said is Bryan getting hurt and having to vacate the time means people aren't owed a long title reign of his because he got hurt. Some said Bryan's fans get "redemption" if he gets a year long title reign. Redemption implies the fans got f***ed over, when again, HE GOT INJURED. You can't blame anybody for him having to vacate the title because he got hurt, but at the end of the day, his own body is the reason why he wasn't champion. It's not WWE's fault, it's not Vince's fault, it's not Triple H's fault. So if he comes back and is so over and the story is right and everything lines up, then fine he can be champion. But WWE shouldn't be blackmailed into giving anyone anything on the grounds that "People feel that they're still owed something" when they aren't owed anything. And I'd just like to point out that you're assessment of "Bryan may be more over now than he ever was" is literally based off of one appearance so it's a very poor sample size. Maybe he will be more over, but no one can judge that right now.
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Post by Boo! on Jan 1, 2015 14:59:55 GMT -5
I agree with thelonewolf527 (did I do that right?) in that there's a difference between a title run/push if it makes contemporary sense and the argument of "being owed one". If it make sense - do it. Last year or the unfairness/unluckiness of what happened shouldn't really be relevant
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Post by Blindkarevik on Jan 1, 2015 15:02:40 GMT -5
Part of me wonders if they, deliberately, did Bryan's announcement before The Authority returned. So, since his addition to the Rumble was made before they were officially back... they can't repeal it. They can make it harder on Bryan to win, but they can't take him out of the Rumble.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2015 15:06:25 GMT -5
I voted in this and I did not see that layout. Each vote was separate.
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Post by Widow's Peak on Jan 1, 2015 15:11:05 GMT -5
I'm cool with Bryan winning the title, but a 365+ title reign is a bit much. If he wins, he should keep it for a few months at least, but there's no need to break Punk's streak unless they really have no other options.
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