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Post by Ashy Larry on Jan 12, 2015 9:33:46 GMT -5
Why is it that songs like "Real American" and The Hardy Boyz theme are production music used for various shows, but TNA didn't use those themes despite using "Real American" to hype Brooke's arrival? I remember hearing the Hardy Boyz theme on an episode of Ink Masters, if Ink Masters which is a SPIKE show, why couldn't TNA use those themes? They've used a few other production tracks that have been used in WWE but why not those two themes when they needed them most? The same could be said about Flair's theme.
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Post by Chip Chipperson on Jan 12, 2015 9:37:47 GMT -5
I always found it silly that Hogan didn't use Real American in TNA unless the WWE owned the rights to them within a pro wrestling capacity.
The cheap nWo rip off music was just poor. Nothing exciting about the music and adds nothing to the entrance of Hulk. The people would have popped for "Real American" or even "American Made" (Which they legally can use because Hulk used it on his Hulkamania Tour). nWo rip off theme? Not so much.
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Post by Yamashita Enforcement Division on Jan 12, 2015 9:40:46 GMT -5
Production music isn't cleared by network, it's cleared by company producing the content. I can fully believe that TNA is too cheap to buy libraries that have the Hardys and Real American while being able to pay for a one off use at a lower rate. Look at how the WWE bought Back in Black or any number of Motorhead songs for one-off uses and then have to redubbed with a different song at a later time because they didn't pay for subsequent broadcasts.
(Also, production music is not public domain, those are two very different things)
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Post by Ashy Larry on Jan 12, 2015 9:46:26 GMT -5
Even Abyss used "American Made", they used Enter Sandman at the end of HardCORE Justice and used Tobymac's "I'm Your's" for Sting. WWE doesn't particularly own those two copyrighted tracks as they have been used for other TV shows/series, they are able to pay the rights to use them but like King nothing has said, TNA is too cheap.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 12, 2015 10:20:48 GMT -5
I always found it silly that Hogan didn't use Real American in TNA unless the WWE owned the rights to them within a pro wrestling capacity. The cheap nWo rip off music was just poor. Nothing exciting about the music and adds nothing to the entrance of Hulk. The people would have popped for "Real American" or even "American Made" (Which they legally can use because Hulk used it on his Hulkamania Tour). nWo rip off theme? Not so much. Why would Hogan use Abyss' theme?!
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jan 12, 2015 10:31:25 GMT -5
TNA shouldn't use licensed music full stop. They are not WCW or the WWE and they never were, they don't have money to waste on buying the rights to certain songs and should have had their in house team produce something that can sell and make a little money from instead.
These days we know that wrestling footage can and likely will be sold for decades to come, companies would be foolish to splash out on a licensed track they know they're going to have to redub in a year's time when it's never going to be worth that level of hassle.
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Post by cjh on Jan 12, 2015 10:41:02 GMT -5
Hogan's WCW theme "American Made" belongs to Jimmy Hart and was part of that Hogan CD that was released in 1995, so it's easy for WWE or TNA to use it.
I remember looking up "Real American" and seeing that it had more than one party listed as publisher. One of them was Stephanie Music, WWE's publishing label.
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Post by Wolfman Rose on Jan 13, 2015 8:52:54 GMT -5
I always found it silly that Hogan didn't use Real American in TNA unless the WWE owned the rights to them within a pro wrestling capacity. The cheap nWo rip off music was just poor. Nothing exciting about the music and adds nothing to the entrance of Hulk. The people would have popped for "Real American" or even "American Made" (Which they legally can use because Hulk used it on his Hulkamania Tour). nWo rip off theme? Not so much. Why would Hogan use Abyss' theme?! Uuuuugggggghhhhh. f***ing Hulk Lantern Corps.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2015 9:06:47 GMT -5
I have heard the Hardys theme in other places, I think it was even on Drawn Together once. Part of TNA's deal with Jeff is that they let him use his crappy music he makes in his barn instead of his instantly recognizable iconic theme. It's just TNA being TNA and making bad decisions.
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Post by Chip Chipperson on Jan 13, 2015 10:09:33 GMT -5
The Hardy's theme is stock music. I've heard it in commercials before for extreme sports events. The local stadium here was hosting a dirt bike rally a couple years back and the Hardy's music was playing throughout the commercial.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jan 13, 2015 16:13:42 GMT -5
I have heard the Hardys theme in other places, I think it was even on Drawn Together once. Part of TNA's deal with Jeff is that they let him use his crappy music he makes in his barn instead of his instantly recognizable iconic theme. It's just TNA being TNA and making bad decisions. If Jeff used the Hardy Boyz production music, people would just LOLTNA at it.
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Post by Albino Heat on Jan 13, 2015 16:19:18 GMT -5
They used to use the Hardyz' theme just about weekly on the first season of Ink Master, which was on Spike. It probably wouldn't have been too much of a leap for TNA to use it, but my guess is letting Jeff Hardy use his own music was part of the deal.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jan 13, 2015 16:42:59 GMT -5
Unless something drastically changed, Real American is not public domain, a production theme or even WWE owned. It is owned by Rick Derringer and CBS. The theme the Hardyz used is indeed production music, not sure if they could use it for them but part of why Jeff went to TNA was to get his music out more by using it as his theme so they wouldn't be using it even if they could..
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jan 13, 2015 16:52:05 GMT -5
Unless something drastically changed, Real American is not public domain, a production theme or even WWE owned. It is owned by Rick Derringer and CBS. The theme the Hardyz used is indeed production music, not sure if they could use it for them but part of why Jeff went to TNA was to get his music out more by using it as his theme so they wouldn't be using it even if they could.. I wish they would so I don't have to listen to his crappy prog rock mess.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2015 17:28:25 GMT -5
Unless something drastically changed, Real American is not public domain, a production theme or even WWE owned. It is owned by Rick Derringer and CBS. The theme the Hardyz used is indeed production music, not sure if they could use it for them but part of why Jeff went to TNA was to get his music out more by using it as his theme so they wouldn't be using it even if they could.. I wish they would so I don't have to listen to his crappy prog rock mess. He calls that prog Rock? Dream Theater are rolling in their graves and they aren't even dead!
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Post by chazraps on Jan 14, 2015 6:47:37 GMT -5
Can we please change the title of the thread as it's been made very clear that "Real American" is NOT in the public domain?
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Post by JCBaggee on Jan 14, 2015 6:54:11 GMT -5
Hogan's WCW theme "American Made" belongs to Jimmy Hart and was part of that Hogan CD that was released in 1995, so it's easy for WWE or TNA to use it. No it's not. It's easy for Jimmy Hart to use it. Hogan has to pony up or clear a deal with Jimmy Hart, and if Hart says no, Hogan doesn't get the music.
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Post by Tony Schiavontay on Jan 24, 2015 4:09:38 GMT -5
Hogan's WCW theme "American Made" belongs to Jimmy Hart and was part of that Hogan CD that was released in 1995, so it's easy for WWE or TNA to use it. No it's not. It's easy for Jimmy Hart to use it. Hogan has to pony up or clear a deal with Jimmy Hart, and if Hart says no, Hogan doesn't get the music. But Jimmy Hart never says no to Hulk.
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Post by cjh on Jan 24, 2015 11:32:15 GMT -5
Unless something drastically changed, Real American is not public domain, a production theme or even WWE owned. It is owned by Rick Derringer and CBS. As I mentioned, there's more than one publishing credit for the song, and one of them is WWE's label Stephanie Music. WWE has had RA available on iTunes since 2005.
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Post by SAJ Forth on Jan 24, 2015 13:43:58 GMT -5
Hogan's WCW theme "American Made" belongs to Jimmy Hart and was part of that Hogan CD that was released in 1995, so it's easy for WWE or TNA to use it. I remember looking up "Real American" and seeing that it had more than one party listed as publisher. One of them was Stephanie Music, WWE's publishing label. Glad they recognized Stephanie Wiand
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