Why is defending TNA so facepalm worthy?

[Just call me D.j.m.]

I believe that they don't deserve the little goodwill they have left. They've had too many chances to learn lessons from their own mistakes and from others.

[BigAl]

Because arguing with some of the hardcore marks is like a broken record. Same tale over and over again, despite mentioning indisputable logical evidence. TNA wants Edge? they will say he will be the game changer to bring viewers and ratings. When you mention hogan, angles, hardy, van dam, mickie, flair, forley couldnt do it, they spin it, saying edge is bigger, then later you find out the guy has NEVER seen edge nor knew he cant wrestle anymore. And same with DelRio, Punk, etc. never seen them in action, but will be the one guy to bring the rating, and you have to repeat your argument over and over again. I am sure if WWE releases Fandango or The Bunny, same tale will apply.

[grunt]

I'll go the other way round : defending TNA is facepalm worthy because of threads like this one (which are nothing more than LOLTNA & LOLTNAFANS threads where the usual suspects can preach time and time again why they think TNA is lolworthy), that are part of the bigger problem.

Defending TNA is a pointless endeavour, whether you're a hardcore fan, or a more casual or moderate fan who only enjoys parts of the show : the interwebz is so polarized about the company (ie either you like it and go on TNA-specific websites, or you mock it regularly on bigger outlets) that arguing about it w/ people is pointless and yes, deserving of a facepalm due to the waste of time and the lack of results.

(which in turn, leads to even more polarization and dumbing down of each side's arguments, but hey, you get what you deserve)

[Chip Chipperson]

Jan 15, 2015 7:26:05 GMT -5 grunt said:

I'll go the other way round : defending TNA is facepalm worthy because of threads like this one (which are nothing more than LOLTNA & LOLTNAFANS threads where the usual suspects can preach time and time again why they think TNA is lolworthy), that are part of the bigger problem.

Defending TNA is a pointless endeavour, whether you're a hardcore fan, or a more casual or moderate fan who only enjoys parts of the show : the interwebz is so polarized about the company (ie either you like it and go on TNA-specific websites, or you mock it regularly on bigger outlets) that arguing about it w/ people is pointless and yes, deserving of a facepalm due to the waste of time and the lack of results.

(which in turn, leads to even more polarization and dumbing down of each side's arguments, but hey, you get what you deserve)

I'd just like to point out that most people don't like to shit on TNA. It's just TNA throws out a poor product and people can't pretend it's good.

Lets look at this logically. The first show back on Destination America what did they do? Did they give us a show that said "Hey sorry guys we were a mess this last year here is a fantastic show"? No, they didn't. Instead we got 2 title changes with zero build and basically the exact same story line we got in January 2014 (Evil stable trying to take over the company)

Then you look at the other things. The WWE rip off story lines like when EY won the World Title the exact same way DB did. You've got the rehash of a WWE story line from 2000 with The Wolves replacing Edge and Christian. You've got corporate Abyss doing his best corporate Kane rip off gimmick. You then have story lines that make zero sense such as Sam Shaw living at home and in an apartment. You have Bully Ray chasing a middle aged mother of two around for months for a stupid table spot. You have the ECW reunions.

But that's not all. Then TNA drops quality midcard talent such as Bad Influence and Chris Sabin before deciding that a quality replacement for those three is the likes of Chris Melendez, Crazy Steve and Mahabali Shera. If the lack of new QUALITY talent coming in isn't alarming  enough you then have everything being thrown away for free on television as TNA desperately tries to claw it's way back up the ratings chart every week.

In closing I've only just scratched the surface here but those are some reasons people are negative about TNA. TNA is a fantastic product if you can deal with a good match or two a week and just ignore absolutely everything else going on around it but a lot of people can't. If a story line doesn't make sense it bothers me. If a story line has poor execution that bothers me. This is not some "Anti TNA" conspiracy where everyone has met secretly in Bermuda and agreed to hate on TNA until the end of time. The product right now has been the weakest in national television wrestling history and people should be allowed to openly talk about how bad it is without being accused of being apart of the "loltna" gang.

[CATCH_US IS the Conversation]

^Sometimes, TNA criticisms are valid, but then I want to roll my eyes/face palm whenever someone makes "hurr hurr TNA wrestlers have to put a McDouble on layaway" type jokes.

[metylerca]

[Source] CATCH_US IS the Conversation said:

^Sometimes, TNA criticisms are valid, but then I want to roll my eyes/face palm whenever someone makes "hurr hurr TNA wrestlers have to put a McDouble on layaway" type jokes.

To be fair, they put Big Macs on layaway. Not the cheap stuff.

I bring up trying to rationally talk to certain kings or sinister posters in years past about TNA, only to either be ignored or corrected on every single point you made, whether correct or incorrect. You couldn't criticize them for RDV, you couldn't say 10-14-2010 was a historically bad show, you couldn't point out the idiocy of Dixie without being told you were wrong for doing so.

Their production faults? Not their problem.

Their bad inept booking? Explainable with a microscope.

Keeping the belt on Angle after a DUI/stalking charge? Necessary.

MCMG vs Beer Money in gimmick matches for best of 7? "Shut up, you're never satisfied."

Pointing out that they beat WWECW by .02 on a night the WWECW product was moved out of its usual timeslot? Let us have our moment.

At some point, you associate these tactics with a lot of TNA hardcores, because you see the same lame excuses, and for no real reason outside of them just not admitting "I like TNA and am willing to look past their flaws."

It was a weird inferior complex, because of the overwhelming bashing the internet regularly gave them, I understand. But at some point, it is easier to just agree to disagree. If you've posted here since TNA's inception, you get it. If you're a wrestling fan, it's easier to not defend wrestling to a non fan than explain the reasons you watch or tell others they're wrong for poking fun.

[chrom]

Jan 14, 2015 16:46:20 GMT -5 Just call me D.j.m. said:

I believe that they don't deserve the little goodwill they have left. They've had too many chances to learn lessons from their own mistakes and from others.

TNA doesn't deserve goodwill. Not after all the stuff they've done. I watched since 07 and by the end of 2013 I had enough as I couldn't stand it anymore watching a company never learn from their mistakes, blame the fans, and continue to make things worse and treat their talent like crap.

Like I've said on other threads here, Styles has proven that he didn't need TNA, TNA needed him as once he left things went into a downward spiral as he was holding the company on his back the entire time. There's no leadership, no unity, nothing in TNA anymore after he left.

[Deleted]

Jan 15, 2015 7:26:05 GMT -5 grunt said:

I'll go the other way round : defending TNA is facepalm worthy because of threads like this one (which are nothing more than LOLTNA & LOLTNAFANS threads where the usual suspects can preach time and time again why they think TNA is lolworthy), that are part of the bigger problem.

Defending TNA is a pointless endeavour, whether you're a hardcore fan, or a more casual or moderate fan who only enjoys parts of the show : the interwebz is so polarized about the company (ie either you like it and go on TNA-specific websites, or you mock it regularly on bigger outlets) that arguing about it w/ people is pointless and yes, deserving of a facepalm due to the waste of time and the lack of results.

(which in turn, leads to even more polarization and dumbing down of each side's arguments, but hey, you get what you deserve)

Enjoying TNA is fine. Just honestly, at this point when they've done so many stupid, careless things in regards to their workers or f***ed them over on medical expenses, thrown so much money at random old-timers and celebrities who brought absolutely nothing to the table while having lower-card people who've had to work second jobs to make ends meet (and while at it screwing with their cuts from indy work), repeated the same exact storyline beat-for-beat over and over and over and over to diminishing returns, hired Russo over and over despite nobody in the company itself or in the crowd having a good thing to say about him and being specifically told not to bring him back by Spike, and all of the other shit, you can't defend them. If you enjoy them, fine, and sometimes you might not think a specific moment is stupid, but it's a failed enterprise and sometimes you just need to call a spade a spade.

[Danimal]

Going on a forum just to bitch, moan, and take shots is more facepalm worthy. I know it's an unpopular thing to say here but I actually like to watch the show, it has warts but I still enjoy it. When I don't like it anymore you know what I'll do? Just move the **** on.

[Kevin Hamilton]

After a decade and a half, you've pretty well thrown away the benefit of the doubt. When you fail as big and as often as they have, you're no longer the 'plucky little company that the mean old internet won't give a chance', you're 'that company that's generally run by a buncha f*** ups'.

[Deleted]

It's because TNA is so consistently bad that when it gets defended, it almost sounds like trolling.

Almost like saying "Hitler actually had some good ideas" or "You know, slavery gets a bad rap".

Yes I indirectedly tied TNA to Hitler and slavery.

[chrom]

Jan 19, 2015 2:17:47 GMT -5 Kevin Hamilton said:

After a decade and a half, you've pretty well thrown away the benefit of the doubt. When you fail as big and as often as they have, you're no longer the 'plucky little company that the mean old internet won't give a chance', you're 'that company that's generally run by a buncha f*** ups'.

Correct, this isn't like in 2007 when you could still say they was learning how to do things after the Pacman hiccup. They've been around twelve and a half years, there's no excuse for saying they are still learning how to do things.

Lucha Underground's only been around what, twelve weeks? And they've shown a better idea of how to handle storylines and show than TNA does.

[El Cokehead del Knife Fight]

It's because people are quick to scream "stop picking on TNA" when they do something stupid. Because newsflash, TNA does a lot of stupid shit and telling us to wait and see and stop being so negative does not help your case.

[lionheart21]

Most likely due to the fact that TNA itself is facepalm-worthy, as shown by the reasons stated by a majority of the responses.

[HMARK Center]

I think the issue is twofold. One part is that some people were so wrapped up in there being any alternative at all to WWE on regular cable that they began defending any and everything TNA did, no matter how stupid. I really don't watch WWE and really wanted TNA to solidify itself as an alternative, but there were plenty of times when I had to say "this is too dumb for me right now, I'm not going to watch". Others didn't seem to reach that point, and it came off as defending TNA because they felt it was the only chance for an alternative or something. Thankfully the past few months have proven otherwise, as a few other companies have managed to negotiate small-scale cable deals. Secondly, I do think there's a habit some have of criticizing literally everything TNA does, from the serious to the silly, and some people turned reactionary, and thus overreactive, to people doing that. In their zeal, they'd come off as blind to legitimate ridiculous or seriously bad practices the company was responsible for.