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Post by Joe Neglia on Jan 23, 2015 14:50:05 GMT -5
Let's say they keep Slaughter on the path he was on upon his return: A disgruntled, pissed-off military man who has seen the country he fought and gave for go weak. He just keeps ramping up the uber-psycho patriot bit, and after targeting Volkoff moves on to other "potential threats" like Canadian Bret Hart or British Bulldog for perceived threats.
Does he go anywhere? Is there a way to build him against Hogan? Perhaps play off both of their statuses as "Real Americans," with one of them having become fanatical?
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Post by chazraps on Jan 23, 2015 16:08:32 GMT -5
Is it still during the Gulf War? Not sure how far you can do the "my country's become weak" bit during that without having it tie-in to the conflict somehow.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 23, 2015 16:11:03 GMT -5
I doubt it. Hogan thrived on the foreign enemy, and the "true American" thing wasn't part of the culture back then. That's something that's come about during the last 6/7 years for reasons that can't be stated. In fact, Slaughter being a traitorous enemy, was a perfect foil for Hogan. It was even worse than a foreign heel. It was more personal. A deeper betrayal.
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Post by SHAKEMASTER TV9 is Don Knotts on Jan 23, 2015 16:39:30 GMT -5
Maybe during Iran-Contra when the President's approval rating dropped. Sergeant Slaughter rants about no one caring about the country and questions the fans patriotism and Hogan comes out to defend the fans. They shake hands, but Slaughter attacks him from behind and says he's no "Real American".
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 23, 2015 19:15:58 GMT -5
It probably could have worked... but as stated when the Gulf War started it'd kinda be the elephant in the room... and most of the we're weak a real American army would have won already would probably get cheered... Though I do like that his heel turn came off because people started cheering the filthy Russian Nikolai Volkoff  I can see Slaughter saying something like you aren't a real American you're a weak californian puke... maybe something about poisoning the minds that his demandments don't include discipline and hard work... I dunno my booking ideas are usually pretty terrible |
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Post by willywonka666 on Jan 23, 2015 19:29:57 GMT -5
One of the most fascinating Piper's Pits I have seen was when Corporal Kirchner was a guest and it looked like Roddy was about to talk him in to turning heel when he brought up Vietnam and I don't need to say anymore without going into politics.
My point is, something like that would have been interesting with Slaughter, as he would be heel, but he would have had a very valid argument.
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Post by Reflecto on Jan 23, 2015 19:50:12 GMT -5
It probably could have worked... but as stated when the Gulf War started it'd kinda be the elephant in the room... and most of the we're weak a real American army would have won already would probably get cheered... Though I do like that his heel turn came off because people started cheering the filthy Russian Nikolai Volkoff I can see Slaughter saying something like you aren't a real American you're a weak californian puke... maybe something about poisoning the minds that his demandments don't include discipline and hard work... I dunno my booking ideas are usually pretty terrible Even with the Gulf War [and how much of a beating the war was), Slaughter could still remain a heel if he wanted to by the same way any heel who, on paper should be the face: For every extreme he has to go to, go further and further to that extreme to the point of absurdity until no reasonable human being could support his line of thinking...and if the fans still support that way of thinking, all Slaughter has to say is "If you support what I'm saying so much, why aren't YOU over there fighting them too? I don't care if you're 4-F, too old to serve, a child who can't serve- if you aren't fighting in the military serving for our country you're no better than Saddam Hussein in my opinion!". |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2015 20:00:42 GMT -5
I don't think it would've worked if heel Slaughter was around during the Gulf War and they WEREN'T tying him into that. Wrestling was too mainstream then for them to have gotten away with not dealing with that.
Either he goes face and they do the Adnan/Mustafa stuff to keep him busy (and then they just fire them all when the war ends) or.......he ties into the heel Iraqi thing.
If we're dealing with a scenario where the Gulf War isn't a thing, then he probably sticks with his disillusioned American schtick, eventually beating Volkoff, and moving onto Hogan who'd put him out of his misery after Wrestlemania 7. Then Slaughter either goes face somehow, or he just goes away...
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jan 24, 2015 2:08:31 GMT -5
How did he turn heel anyway? Did he re-debut as pro-Iraq? Or did he come back as face and turn? Neither. He debuted as a heel, but he wasn't pro-Iraq yet. He was just Sgt. Slaughter and he was pissed off that we had embraced Volkoff as a hero. He thought we had become weak and such. |
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Post by misfitblonde on Jan 24, 2015 4:11:47 GMT -5
I think that angle was "lightning in a bottle" and would only work how they did it. Major props to Slaughter for being American enough to see the dollar signs to run with it.
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Post by hassanchop on Jan 24, 2015 5:37:31 GMT -5
It was also during the time Grunge was picking up. He could always target those people saying Americans gone soft and glorify angst and suicidal culture, but that would mean it would be against a young, up and coming superstar that would have to develop a Grunge inspired character and not against Hogan, and knowing WW(F)E at the time, that would be a very difficult task to do.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jan 24, 2015 6:02:40 GMT -5
It was also during the time Grunge was picking up. He could always target those people saying Americans gone soft and glorify angst and suicidal culture, but that would mean it would be against a young, up and coming superstar that would have to develop a Grunge inspired character and not against Hogan, and knowing WW(F)E at the time, that would be a very difficult task to do. Ok, Rad Radford is the #1 face now....... |
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Post by MC Blowfish on Jan 24, 2015 7:29:29 GMT -5
It never would have worked without the Gulf War, turncoat tie in. He could have continued on his rants about America being weak, but the Iraq war was quick and decisive and it would have made him look stupid.
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Post by hassanchop on Jan 24, 2015 13:52:48 GMT -5
It never would have worked without the Gulf War, turncoat tie in. He could have continued on his rants about America being weak, but the Iraq war was quick and decisive and it would have made him look stupid. As I said with Grunge just picking up that time, he could use that by saying that real men are fighting in the Gulf War, while the youth are busy with their angsty Grunge culture and accuses them as being worse than the hippies. |
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Jan 24, 2015 13:56:57 GMT -5
Attacking Hogan for being a false icon to the Americans, the reason why they're getting pushed around by guys like Saddam.
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Post by Brother-RD on Jan 24, 2015 15:58:02 GMT -5
Delusional heel who thinks he's America's greatest hero (I was on GI Joe!), and resents Hogan's adoration across America. Still have him go over Warrior at the Rumble, but he goes even more delusional that he's gotten rid of the "greatest foreign threat" (since Warrior's from "Parts Unknown" and all). You get the same progression of characters without the Pro-Iraq ties, and Vince has to come up with an even more ridiculous excuse as to why they couldn't sell out the LA Memorial Coliseum.
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Jan 24, 2015 16:02:29 GMT -5
Delusional heel who thinks he's America's greatest hero (I was on GI Joe!), and resents Hogan's adoration across America. Still have him go over Warrior at the Rumble, but he goes even more delusional that he's gotten rid of the "greatest foreign threat" (since Warrior's from "Parts Unknown" and all). You get the same progression of characters without the Pro-Iraq ties, and Vince has to come up with an even more ridiculous excuse as to why they couldn't sell out the LA Memorial Coliseum. So, like pre-face turn Jack Swagger? |
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Post by Brother-RD on Jan 24, 2015 16:06:07 GMT -5
Delusional heel who thinks he's America's greatest hero (I was on GI Joe!), and resents Hogan's adoration across America. Still have him go over Warrior at the Rumble, but he goes even more delusional that he's gotten rid of the "greatest foreign threat" (since Warrior's from "Parts Unknown" and all). You get the same progression of characters without the Pro-Iraq ties, and Vince has to come up with an even more ridiculous excuse as to why they couldn't sell out the LA Memorial Coliseum. So, like pre-face turn Jack Swagger? Does Xenophobia cover destrucity? |
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Post by hassanchop on Jan 24, 2015 16:47:07 GMT -5
and Vince has to come up with an even more ridiculous excuse as to why they couldn't sell out the LA Memorial Coliseum. Uh...skinheads and Klan members show up and they could do without such support? |
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Jan 24, 2015 20:26:17 GMT -5
During wartime nobody was gonna boo a perceived military hero like Slaughter without the traitor angle. He would've either fizzled out or the fans would've turned on whatever face they put against him.
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