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Post by MichaelMartini on Jan 23, 2015 20:38:57 GMT -5
It was the promotion that made him a star in the US and it was obvious early on that WWF wasn't going to give him a significant push after HBK & Taker feuds. Especially with Kane around. WCW could've easily afforded to bring him back in 97 or 98. He could've joined the fight against the nWo or feuded with Goldberg. Did he burn bridges? Did Vince promise him something? Did he just feel like going back to Japan? Anyone know the scoop?
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Post by sdoyle7798 on Jan 23, 2015 20:44:44 GMT -5
Did you see what WCW did to him BEFORE he went to the WWF?
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Post by MichaelMartini on Jan 23, 2015 20:47:42 GMT -5
Did you see what WCW did to him BEFORE he went to the WWF? No. I wasn't watching. Are you referring to the Hogan squashes? I've only seen one of their matches and it was excellent. Hogan was getting the crap kicked out of him and took a lot of big moves. Flair interfered at the end. |
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Post by Rumble McSkirmish on Jan 23, 2015 20:50:44 GMT -5
If I had to venture a guess, it would have to be the fact that Mr. Wonderful Paul Orndorff was still working at WCW as a trainer at the time and seeing as how Vader got fired from WCW by getting into a fight with Orndorff in the first place, the chances of Vader getting rehired there were slim to none.
Besides Vader made it out alright going to Japan and getting a monster gaijin push.
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Post by sdoyle7798 on Jan 23, 2015 20:50:48 GMT -5
It wasn't just the Hogan matches...
The way I remember it (and its been almost 20 years, so forgive me for not remembering specifics), the way they booked him after Hogan came in just killed his mystique.
I'd have to find old videos to firm that argument up (or possibly shoot it to hell with a fresh review of things), and right now, I can't do that.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Jan 23, 2015 20:52:30 GMT -5
If I had to venture a guess, it would have to be the fact that Mr. Wonderful Paul Orndorff was still working at WCW as a trainer at the time and seeing as how Vader got fired from WCW by getting into a fight with Orndorff in the first place, the chances of Vader getting rehired there were slim to none. Besides Vader made it out alright going to Japan and getting a monster gaijin push. Yeah it was definitely for the better. I doubt he would've done anything as good as the Kobashi series in WCW. |
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Post by somsta on Jan 23, 2015 21:14:21 GMT -5
He was smart not to go to WCW. They would never give a push to a guy that came from the WWF.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Jan 23, 2015 23:22:40 GMT -5
By the time Vader left the WWE in what was it late 98, WCW was over flat on the roster and likely be lost in the shuffle instead of a ME. Vader best would likely been Bam Bam push to face Goldberg which would been awesome but then lost in the shuffle.
Vader went to Japan was was champion and MEing. So Vader I think did the smart thing. Go to Japan get paid well and was used as a Main Eventer.
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Post by Capt Lunatic on Jan 24, 2015 22:12:16 GMT -5
Because he was a fat piece of shit.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2015 22:16:07 GMT -5
Vader was booked like a "monster heel of the month" against Hogan, but WCW was building him back up by putting him over Arn and Flair in a handicap match. I think had Vader stayed in WCW, he might have been better off in the long run. Vince did nothing to restore his credibility as a monster. I'm just glad it was 1997 instead of 2007, or we might have seen Vader and Sid in a comedy tag team.
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Post by SHAKEMASTER TV9 is Don Knotts on Jan 24, 2015 23:06:21 GMT -5
www.wrestlinginc.com/wi/news/2014/0925/581395/vader-talks-saving-sid-vicious-life/index-3.shtmlAccording to this interview from last year, he took issue that Bischoff was going to suspend him without pay after the Orndorff incident. He was told just go to Japan and felt because he put off shoulder surgery because Bischoff asked him to keep working with Hogan on vacation that he deserved better than that. He left for Japan. I'm not sure WCW would've given him a fat contract. WWF didn't see any value in him anymore at the end so he wouldn't move the dial in the ratings which they were obsessed with. They might have lowballed him or something he considered lowball since he could make more going back to Japan. If he did, he might have been made a big deal for like a month and then end up wrestling Terry Funk in garbage hardcore matches before being sent home and doing nothing.
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Post by Chuck Conry on Jan 25, 2015 3:06:49 GMT -5
Vader in ECW against Taz could have been cool.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jan 25, 2015 6:53:28 GMT -5
Where would he have fitted in the main event scene of a company where the only people allowed to be heels toward the top of the card were the NWO? You think what Hogan did to Heel Vader was bad, imagine what needing a steel cage, crooked ref, international object and Arn Anderson to beat a guy who's meant to be the heel would do to Vader's remaining credibility.
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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on Jan 25, 2015 7:21:14 GMT -5
Well he made the right choice of going back to Japan because like someone else said if he went back to WCW be would of been jobbed out to Goldberg and then lost somewhere in midcard hell.
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Post by hassanchop on Jan 25, 2015 8:10:30 GMT -5
Would he have done well in WCW mid-2000 when Johnny Ace took over?
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Post by cherry coloured funk on Jan 26, 2015 0:36:45 GMT -5
Vader in ECW against Taz could have been cool. Yes, except they probably would have insisted Taz squash him in 90 seconds. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2015 8:51:52 GMT -5
Did you see how Vader was booked in the WWF? They killed him off way worse than WCW did.
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