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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on Jan 29, 2015 14:07:59 GMT -5
And they just announced that the Network will be free the month of February giving further indication that this will be a throw away PPV. Mmm, not necessarily. November was free too and Survivor Series wasn't a throwaway PPV.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2015 14:13:53 GMT -5
And they just announced that the Network will be free the month of February giving further indication that this will be a throw away PPV. Mmm, not necessarily. November was free too and Survivor Series wasn't a throwaway PPV. It absolutely was. They just threw it away a month later.
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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on Jan 29, 2015 14:15:29 GMT -5
Mmm, not necessarily. November was free too and Survivor Series wasn't a throwaway PPV. It absolutely was. They just threw it away a month later. They threw away the first ever WWE appearance of Sting?
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jan 29, 2015 14:17:37 GMT -5
It absolutely was. They just threw it away a month later. They threw away the first ever WWE appearance of Sting? It was completely meaningless just over a month later. Great moment and made for a fun PPV but meant nothing in the long run.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2015 14:19:15 GMT -5
It absolutely was. They just threw it away a month later. They threw away the first ever WWE appearance of Sting? Pretty much, yeah. It meant absolutely nothing long-term. His debut might as well have been his Raw appearance for all of the difference it made.
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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on Jan 29, 2015 14:19:40 GMT -5
They threw away the first ever WWE appearance of Sting? It was completely meaningless just over a month later. Great moment and made for a fun PPV but meant nothing in the long run. Yeah but by that logic, basically every PPV that isn't WrestleMania is a throwaway PPV.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jan 29, 2015 14:20:58 GMT -5
It was completely meaningless just over a month later. Great moment and made for a fun PPV but meant nothing in the long run. Yeah but by that logic, basically every PPV that isn't WrestleMania is a throwaway PPV. They are.
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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on Jan 29, 2015 14:21:52 GMT -5
Yeah but by that logic, basically every PPV that isn't WrestleMania is a throwaway PPV. They are. So we're complaining that WWE isn't willing to give WrestleMania away for free?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2015 14:23:18 GMT -5
So we're complaining that WWE isn't willing to give WrestleMania away for free? How the hell did you come to that?
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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on Jan 29, 2015 14:25:32 GMT -5
So we're complaining that WWE isn't willing to give WrestleMania away for free? How the hell did you come to that? Okay, not "complaining" but stating the obvious: Every PPV is a throwaway regardless so unless it's WrestleMania, what difference does it make?
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jan 29, 2015 14:31:57 GMT -5
So we're complaining that WWE isn't willing to give WrestleMania away for free? Umm, I have absolutely no idea where you pulled that from but no, not at all. I am saying they all become meaningless, that is the nature of the business. When you have 3 maybe 4 weeks to the next major show, you're going to end up undoing a lot of what you did on the show prior. However, you're paying to experience those moments, like Sting's first appearance, those matches and those times live.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2015 14:33:44 GMT -5
How the hell did you come to that? Okay, not "complaining" but stating the obvious: Every PPV is a throwaway regardless so unless it's WrestleMania, what difference does it make? You're taking opposing viewpoints from two different people and presenting it as one argument. There's no wonder it doesn't make sense.
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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on Jan 29, 2015 14:33:48 GMT -5
So we're complaining that WWE isn't willing to give WrestleMania away for free? Umm, I have absolutely no idea where you pulled that from but no, not at all. I am saying they all become meaningless, that is the nature of the business. When you have 3 maybe 4 weeks to the next major show, you're going to end up undoing a lot of what you did on the show prior. However, you're paying to experience those moments, like Sting's first appearance, those matches and those times live. May I direct you to my post above....
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jan 29, 2015 14:35:29 GMT -5
Umm, I have absolutely no idea where you pulled that from but no, not at all. I am saying they all become meaningless, that is the nature of the business. When you have 3 maybe 4 weeks to the next major show, you're going to end up undoing a lot of what you did on the show prior. However, you're paying to experience those moments, like Sting's first appearance, those matches and those times live. May I direct you to my post above.... Yea, I was kinda busy typing and dealing with mods stuff
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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on Jan 29, 2015 14:36:17 GMT -5
Okay, not "complaining" but stating the obvious: Every PPV is a throwaway regardless so unless it's WrestleMania, what difference does it make? You're taking opposing viewpoints from two different people and presenting it as one argument. There's no wonder it doesn't make sense. No, you're taking my response to someone and changing into something different involving you. My initial point was that it being free on the Network doesn't mean squat. And I'd still argue that Survivor Series wasn't a throwaway just because it had an all-time memorable moment. Sting's first WWE appearance was history that will never be forgotten. I'm not claiming it was the greatest most special PPV of all time but calling it a "throwaway" just seems harsh.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2015 14:44:25 GMT -5
No, you're taking my response to someone and changing into something different involving you. Wow, that's just a hyper-defensive comment. I didn't change anything and the only involvement I had was replying to a comment on a forum. Your initial quote wasn't of my comment, but that doesn't mean that I'm not allowed to make a reply, (ie the exact same thing RIC did). If you want a one on one conversation, pm them. Don't be a douche saying I'm trying to make it into something involving me when I'm just giving my input on a public conversation.
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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on Jan 29, 2015 14:51:06 GMT -5
No, you're taking my response to someone and changing into something different involving you. Wow, that's just a hyper-defensive comment. I didn't change anything and the only involvement I had was replying to a comment on a forum. Your initial quote wasn't of my comment, but that doesn't mean that I'm not allowed to make a reply, (ie the exact same thing RIC did). If you want a one on one conversation, pm them. Don't be a douche saying I'm trying to make it into something involving me when I'm just giving my input on a public conversation. Okay, I apologise. It probably was a bit defensive. But you're trying to say my point doesn't make sense just because I used the wrong word to describe what I felt the OP was saying. It also doesn't help that I'm trying to make my point to three separate people and then you give me attitude about "well no wonder you're argument doesn't make sense" like I was the one who started a conversation with you.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2015 15:13:38 GMT -5
Wow, that's just a hyper-defensive comment. I didn't change anything and the only involvement I had was replying to a comment on a forum. Your initial quote wasn't of my comment, but that doesn't mean that I'm not allowed to make a reply, (ie the exact same thing RIC did). If you want a one on one conversation, pm them. Don't be a douche saying I'm trying to make it into something involving me when I'm just giving my input on a public conversation. Okay, I apologise. It probably was a bit defensive. But you're trying to say my point doesn't make sense just because I used the wrong word to describe what I felt the OP was saying. It also doesn't help that I'm trying to make my point to three separate people and then you give me attitude about "well no wonder you're argument doesn't make sense" like I was the one who started a conversation with you. I didn't mean to show attitude in saying the "no wonder" thing. I had no hard feelings. I was just being literal. You quoted RIC's statement and Derek's statement in the same post and amalgamated their opinions to justify your comment when they're not on the same side either. It's not a two sided argument. Anyway, I do believe that Sting's first appearance was a HUGE deal, but I still maintain that (while other PPVs aren't always) Survivor Series ended up being a completely pointless throwaway. Sting's appearance there was wasted because they reversed the whole point of him being there and what he accomplished. Again, they might as well have saved his debut for the recent Raw. His debut in and of itself meant something, but the kayfabe reason behind his debut was absolutely thrown away.
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Post by PrinceD on Jan 29, 2015 20:27:06 GMT -5
Let's just put it this way: when they gave away Survivor Series away for free it had been a meaningless PPV in recent years. The 5 on 5 match was booked pretty good, but the rest was forgettable. Going into that PPV it didn't feel like they were capiitilizing on getting people to sign up for the Network. The main event then turned out great, but I couldn't even tell you what the other matches were on the card. But then the aftermath of the PPV flat out sucked. So I guess my original statement had to do with how I feel like they could've done more to get people to sign up for free the last time they did I this.
Any word on how many subscribers they gained in November?
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Post by Krazee on Jan 29, 2015 21:08:09 GMT -5
Nicki Bella vs Paige for the Divas title just announce on Smackdown!
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