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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Jan 26, 2015 1:23:22 GMT -5
And the amazing thing is that this combo is the worst possible match of the available, reasonable options. Bryan vs. Lesnar - The ultimate David vs. Goliath. Bryan shouldn't stand a chance after watching Lesnar destroy these huge dudes like Taker and Cena since he returned. Bryan is a phenomenal submission and technical wrestler. Heart of a lion. He'd have to be killed to be put down. Brute force vs. technical prowess. Crowd behind Bryan like never before, even though they all respect Lesnar. Amazing atmosphere. Ziggler vs. Lesnar - He has two forgettable title reigns in his past, so this is Ziggler, having already triumphed over the Authority, trying to win the big one and cement himself once and for all. Athletic freak, phenomenal seller (Lesnar's moves would look murderous against Dolph), and a person the crowd is looking for that one final excuse to fully get behind and back. Would truly be the crowning of a new star. Ambrose vs. Lesnar - The insane match. Lesnar broke HHH's bones, concussed and ended Taker, and suplexed Cena in to oblivion. Ambrose? Doesn't care. He will sacrifice his body to win the WWE Championship. To finally step out of the shadow of the Shield on his own. Lesnar could beat him within an inch of his life and the crazy son of a bitch would keep on coming. Some of the hope spots in the match would be out of this world. Those are all potentially special because all three of those guys are made to fight a monster like Lesnar. Reigns is going to .. what? Hit him really hard? He hasn't had a single...singles match where he has shown he's remotely ready for this. Closest he came was an alright back and forth with Orton. Not only is it the least interesting scenario by FAR, it's the one who is least prepared to go between the ropes for 25 minutes. To me, it boils down to: they think that Roman is the best option because he's young, and has the most growth potential of that grouping. But Bryan and Ziggler and Ambrose are good in the ring RIGHT NOW. They are over RIGHT NOW. They should be on top RIGHT NOW and Roman can wait.
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Post by slaughterama on Jan 26, 2015 1:29:33 GMT -5
Lesnar / Reigns / Bryan. It's Bootista Part 2. "Okay, so the crowd did hate it, just put the Yes-Guy back in there. Problem solved."
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Post by Mid-Carder on Jan 26, 2015 1:53:06 GMT -5
Yes. It was one night. They have two months of this storyline to get us behind Roman.
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Post by ZombieElvis on Jan 26, 2015 2:01:15 GMT -5
Lesnar / Reigns / Bryan. It's Bootista Part 2. "Okay, so the crowd did hate it, just put the Yes-Guy back in there. Problem solved." I'd actually prefer Ziggler over Bryan and wish he won the rumble.
This time putting Bryan in the match doesn't work since they want Roman to be their next big main event babyface and now they are stuck.
They either have to turn Reigns heel like The Rock's first heel turn or push him down the card and it'll take 2-3 years to rebuild him like what happened when they first tried to push Randy Orton to the main event.
If this doesn't change and Reigns still gets this kind of reaction do we get a Goldberg/Lesnar or Batista/Big Show type match for the main event of WM?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2015 2:02:35 GMT -5
Lesnar / Reigns / Bryan. It's Bootista Part 2. "Okay, so the crowd did hate it, just put the Yes-Guy back in there. Problem solved." I'd actually prefer Ziggler over Bryan and wish he won the rumble.
This time putting Bryan in the match doesn't work since they want Roman to be their next big main event babyface and now they are stuck.
They either have to turn Reigns heel like The Rock's first heel turn or push him down the card and it'll take 2-3 years to rebuild him like what happened when they first tried to push Randy Orton to the main event.
If this doesn't change and Reigns still gets this kind of reaction do we get a Goldberg/Lesnar or Batista/Big Show type match for the main event of WM?I'm not sure if it'll be a Goldberg / Lesnar reaction or not. Lesnar is leaving and all so maybe, but he also has more goodwill now that he did then I'd say. Either way, Reigns is being booed out of the damn building.
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Post by thegame415 on Jan 26, 2015 2:04:12 GMT -5
Yep. I still believe the only reason why they changed last year was because of the Network.
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Post by slaughterama on Jan 26, 2015 2:05:26 GMT -5
Lesnar / Reigns / Bryan. It's Bootista Part 2. "Okay, so the crowd did hate it, just put the Yes-Guy back in there. Problem solved." I'd actually prefer Ziggler over Bryan and wish he won the rumble.
This time putting Bryan in the match doesn't work since they want Roman to be their next big main event babyface and now they are stuck.
They either have to turn Reigns heel like The Rock's first heel turn or push him down the card and it'll take 2-3 years to rebuild him like what happened when they first tried to push Randy Orton to the main event.
If this doesn't change and Reigns still gets this kind of reaction do we get a Goldberg/Lesnar or Batista/Big Show type match for the main event of WM?I'm pretty sure that unless something dramatic happens, Reigns/Lesnar won't close Mania. Too risky. Sting vs Triple H is the closer.
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Post by Dragonfly on Jan 26, 2015 3:53:45 GMT -5
My guess is that the main event stays the same, but the following NXT spoiler is added as an, for lack of a better word, "alternative": {Spoiler}Sami Zayn and/or Kevin Owens vs. Finn Balor for the NXT championship.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Jan 26, 2015 3:54:49 GMT -5
Well, I guess we may finally see how they would have handled Batista vs. Orton as a 1 on 1 match last year.
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Post by Chiral on Jan 26, 2015 4:02:06 GMT -5
"The 'Roman Reigns wins at Wrestlemania 31' commemorative T Shirts have already been printed, it's too late to change the plans now." -Vince
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Post by The Ichi on Jan 26, 2015 4:14:09 GMT -5
Vince is probably still hurting from having to eat crow last year and admit that maybe he should give paying customers what they want to see. No way he does it twice in a row.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Jan 26, 2015 4:15:02 GMT -5
They may keep it the same since there will be a much more definitive face in front of the mania crowd in this one than there would have been in the planned Orton/Batista match last year. However, the match will simply be an inferior version of Brock/Cena matches quality wise.
Personally, I think Seth Rollins showed here that he can work well in a triple threat match on the big stage. Not to mention he worked well with Brock and has worked fairly well with Roman Reigns in the past. For that reason, I would put him in there to help the quality of the match.
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Post by Reflecto on Jan 26, 2015 4:22:35 GMT -5
And the amazing thing is that this combo is the worst possible match of the available, reasonable options. Bryan vs. Lesnar - The ultimate David vs. Goliath. Bryan shouldn't stand a chance after watching Lesnar destroy these huge dudes like Taker and Cena since he returned. Bryan is a phenomenal submission and technical wrestler. Heart of a lion. He'd have to be killed to be put down. Brute force vs. technical prowess. Crowd behind Bryan like never before, even though they all respect Lesnar. Amazing atmosphere. Ziggler vs. Lesnar - He has two forgettable title reigns in his past, so this is Ziggler, having already triumphed over the Authority, trying to win the big one and cement himself once and for all. Athletic freak, phenomenal seller (Lesnar's moves would look murderous against Dolph), and a person the crowd is looking for that one final excuse to fully get behind and back. Would truly be the crowning of a new star. Ambrose vs. Lesnar - The insane match. Lesnar broke HHH's bones, concussed and ended Taker, and suplexed Cena in to oblivion. Ambrose? Doesn't care. He will sacrifice his body to win the WWE Championship. To finally step out of the shadow of the Shield on his own. Lesnar could beat him within an inch of his life and the crazy son of a bitch would keep on coming. Some of the hope spots in the match would be out of this world. Those are all potentially special because all three of those guys are made to fight a monster like Lesnar. Reigns is going to .. what? Hit him really hard? He hasn't had a single...singles match where he has shown he's remotely ready for this. Closest he came was an alright back and forth with Orton. Not only is it the least interesting scenario by FAR, it's the one who is least prepared to go between the ropes for 25 minutes. To me, it boils down to: they think that Roman is the best option because he's young, and has the most growth potential of that grouping. But Bryan and Ziggler and Ambrose are good in the ring RIGHT NOW. They are over RIGHT NOW. They should be on top RIGHT NOW and Roman can wait. The big problem with that, though, is: It's Lesnar's last match. You CANNOT mess around with it. Once Brock Lesnar got the Streak last year, WWE doesn't have any other options. You HAVE to go ALL-IN with someone with the Lesnar loss, because no other victory in WWE history is going to MEAN MORE, ever again, than The Kingslayer. You only get ONE SHOT at it, and you have to KNOW, FIRSTHAND, that The Man That Beat Brock Lesnar is also going to be The Man That Will Lead WWE Into The 2020s. Roman Reigns isn't ready RIGHT NOW, but of the list of Roman, Bryan, Ziggler, and Ambrose- Roman Reigns is the most likely one to be the wrestler who will lead WWE into the 2020s- and as such, he NEEDS this win the absolute most. If it means going all-in on Reigns a year or two too early, you have to because you WON'T GET ANOTHER CHANCE at The Man Who Beat Brock Lesnar- and even holding it off for a more solidified guy right now wouldn't MAKE Reigns in a year or two (if Cena, Orton, or (yes) Daniel Bryan beats Lesnar, and Reigns beats them next year, it won't work because they're at a level where they really can't get any more achievements than what they are- a win over a Cena/Orton/Bryan who beat Brock Lesnar won't MEAN MORE than if Roman beats Cena, Orton, or Bryan on Raw tonight. )
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Post by fw91 on Jan 26, 2015 4:38:56 GMT -5
Like I said before, I think many of us saw Reigns winning coming from a mile away. We are just f***ing pissed off of the route they took. Like most of us, I really wanted Bryan to win because I felt that Bryan/Lesnar would be the freshest Mania main event possible and one that feels epic. But with the way Reigns has been looking in the last year, I'd say this win was inevitable which IS acceptable imo. But how they did it....Damn. Eliminating Bryan so early clean to kill the crowd, killed the match. No one gave a damn anymore. Then how they eliminated Ziggler, Ambrose and Ryan with KANE AND BIG SHOW. No suspense, no hype, a fart in the wind. Reigns did have fanfare before this to me that's undeniable but WWE f***ed it all up with this stupidity. Only way to salvage this is to give Bryan some sort of match of substance at Mania (He and Sting vs HHH and Rollins? ??) If not Raw is Hijack.
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Post by King Devitt on Jan 26, 2015 4:40:40 GMT -5
Cena was booed to hell and back when he was handed the keys to the company.
They shoved him down our throats anyway.
I don't see this being any different.
Only saving grace is if Rollins cashes in after Reigns defeats the guy that a bunch of people WAYYYYY better than him couldn't.
Also we're gonna ignore that The Rock being there was interference, and flat out cheating.
But yay Rock right?
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Post by freeze Austin on Jan 26, 2015 4:47:24 GMT -5
This is what they decided to go with so they need to own it for better or for worse.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2015 4:50:29 GMT -5
To me, it boils down to: they think that Roman is the best option because he's young, and has the most growth potential of that grouping. But Bryan and Ziggler and Ambrose are good in the ring RIGHT NOW. They are over RIGHT NOW. They should be on top RIGHT NOW and Roman can wait. The big problem with that, though, is: It's Lesnar's last match. You CANNOT mess around with it. Once Brock Lesnar got the Streak last year, WWE doesn't have any other options. You HAVE to go ALL-IN with someone with the Lesnar loss, because no other victory in WWE history is going to MEAN MORE, ever again, than The Kingslayer. You only get ONE SHOT at it, and you have to KNOW, FIRSTHAND, that The Man That Beat Brock Lesnar is also going to be The Man That Will Lead WWE Into The 2020s. Roman Reigns isn't ready RIGHT NOW, but of the list of Roman, Bryan, Ziggler, and Ambrose- Roman Reigns is the most likely one to be the wrestler who will lead WWE into the 2020s- and as such, he NEEDS this win the absolute most. If it means going all-in on Reigns a year or two too early, you have to because you WON'T GET ANOTHER CHANCE at The Man Who Beat Brock Lesnar- and even holding it off for a more solidified guy right now wouldn't MAKE Reigns in a year or two (if Cena, Orton, or (yes) Daniel Bryan beats Lesnar, and Reigns beats them next year, it won't work because they're at a level where they really can't get any more achievements than what they are- a win over a Cena/Orton/Bryan who beat Brock Lesnar won't MEAN MORE than if Roman beats Cena, Orton, or Bryan on Raw tonight. ) I really don't see it accomplishing anything regardless. In general, I can think of very, very few times in wrestling the, "Build up a monster to feed them to someone in the hopes of pushing them to the next level," has actually, y'know, worked. Might get a good moment out of it but the whole "giving the rub" concept in wrestling just seems to mostly be a fairy tale. And what makes Reigns a better choice than Ambrose when they're around the same age?
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Post by kingbookermark on Jan 26, 2015 5:07:05 GMT -5
And the amazing thing is that this combo is the worst possible match of the available, reasonable options. Bryan vs. Lesnar - The ultimate David vs. Goliath. Bryan shouldn't stand a chance after watching Lesnar destroy these huge dudes like Taker and Cena since he returned. Bryan is a phenomenal submission and technical wrestler. Heart of a lion. He'd have to be killed to be put down. Brute force vs. technical prowess. Crowd behind Bryan like never before, even though they all respect Lesnar. Amazing atmosphere. Ziggler vs. Lesnar - He has two forgettable title reigns in his past, so this is Ziggler, having already triumphed over the Authority, trying to win the big one and cement himself once and for all. Athletic freak, phenomenal seller (Lesnar's moves would look murderous against Dolph), and a person the crowd is looking for that one final excuse to fully get behind and back. Would truly be the crowning of a new star. Ambrose vs. Lesnar - The insane match. Lesnar broke HHH's bones, concussed and ended Taker, and suplexed Cena in to oblivion. Ambrose? Doesn't care. He will sacrifice his body to win the WWE Championship. To finally step out of the shadow of the Shield on his own. Lesnar could beat him within an inch of his life and the crazy son of a bitch would keep on coming. Some of the hope spots in the match would be out of this world. Those are all potentially special because all three of those guys are made to fight a monster like Lesnar. Reigns is going to .. what? Hit him really hard? He hasn't had a single...singles match where he has shown he's remotely ready for this. Closest he came was an alright back and forth with Orton. Not only is it the least interesting scenario by FAR, it's the one who is least prepared to go between the ropes for 25 minutes. Great points. They need to fix this.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2015 5:07:14 GMT -5
Cena was booed to hell and back when he was handed the keys to the company. They shoved him down our throats anyway. I don't see this being any different. Only saving grace is if Rollins cashes in after Reigns defeats the guy that a bunch of people WAYYYYY better than him couldn't. Also we're gonna ignore that The Rock being there was interference, and flat out cheating. But yay Rock right? :/ Cena was already over huge with the crowd before the boos began. Also Cena was great on the mic, great in the ring and, the big thing, he had major merchandise sales. Reigns has none of these, he just has a look. He's pretty much done.
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Post by King Devitt on Jan 26, 2015 5:35:47 GMT -5
Maybe my memory is foggy but I recall Cena being obviously pushed as THE guy with wins over Angle and Jericho and the fans booing the shit out of him. Even having Kurt say stupid ridiculous things to try and get heat over the guy the fans were obviously not accepting. I don't ever recall Cena being over huge with the crowd as a face. I recall him being over pushed and the fans not accepting it which morphed into what we see today a decade later.
Which reminds me of Roman Reigns. They're being as subtle now about it as they were back then and the fans are again rejecting it for the same reasons.
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