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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2015 5:39:27 GMT -5
Maybe my memory is foggy but I recall Cena being obviously pushed as THE guy with wins over Angle and Jericho and the fans booing the shit out of him. Even having Kurt say stupid ridiculous things to try and get heat over the guy the fans were obviously not accepting. I don't ever recall Cena being over huge with the crowd as a face. I recall him being over pushed and the fans not accepting it which morphed into what we see today a decade later. Which reminds me of Roman Reigns. They're being as subtle now about it as they were back then and the fans are again rejecting it for the same reasons. Cena start being pushed as the guy as soon as he won the belt from Bradshaw. Before that though, he was good on the mic, in the ring and he had merch sales. He was over like hell with his WordLife gimmick, majorly over. The Angle/Jericho stuff happened after he was over and had the keys. The difference is Reigns doesn't have Cena's mic work, ring work, merch sales, connection with the crowd. He's basically worse than Prototype Cena was except he's gotten a push to the top without having years to develop. Fans are going to reject him far quicker than they did with Cena considering he doesn't have Cena's talents.
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Post by Dang! on Jan 26, 2015 5:57:29 GMT -5
It might end in a double turn, but I don't think that they will just repeat last year's damage control. If this was TNA shit like this would put them out of business for good.
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Post by slaughterama on Jan 26, 2015 7:39:09 GMT -5
The only reason it stays the same is so we can have two months of epic Heyman vs Reigns on the mic confrontations. Ummm, yeah... there's no way they can go through with this.
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Post by RI Richmark on Jan 26, 2015 8:29:50 GMT -5
This was thier plan since last WrestleMania. Brock ending the Streak and squashing Cena at Summerslam was to build Brock up as much as possible in order to turn Roman into the biggest possible hero for toppling him.
And I was excited to see that match. But the way they handled Reigns the past few months plus the way the Rumble went down probably ruined it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2015 8:36:17 GMT -5
Maybe with face Lesnar vs heel Reigns.
Face Reigns is not winning the belt at mania though. Heel Reigns might.
It'd be funny if they have to work Daniel Bryan into the match again.
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Post by Urethra Franklin on Jan 26, 2015 8:42:50 GMT -5
I think we get the double turn at WM, if not sooner.
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Post by paywindah on Jan 26, 2015 8:44:24 GMT -5
They won't change it. They realized giving into the fans last year was a mistake and set a dangerous precedent that led to last night.
They'll just book smartly instead. They'll have the Authority be involved so the boos appear to be for them instead of Reigns, etc...
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Post by Clawley Race on Jan 26, 2015 9:02:36 GMT -5
To me, it boils down to: they think that Roman is the best option because he's young, and has the most growth potential of that grouping. Roman Reigns isn't ready RIGHT NOW, but of the list of Roman, Bryan, Ziggler, and Ambrose- Roman Reigns is the most likely one to be the wrestler who will lead WWE into the 2020s- and as such, he NEEDS this win the absolute most. I understandf why you think this...but at the same time, when you think of which one of these guys would be most likely to quit the business for non-injury related reasons...that's gotta be Reigns by a mile, right?
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Post by lookout on Jan 26, 2015 9:22:48 GMT -5
I find it hard to believe right now that this stays as advertised after the incredible backlash they have seen. When the back lash makes it into the mainstream media you have a problem. And when cancellations of their precious network, which has already struggled and not lived up to expectations also makes it into the mainstream media, you have a huge problem. So What they accomplished last night is not just your usual "heat" or their delusion of what they think is "best for business" because they did anything but what's best for business.. it cost them money and a lot of very bad PR.
Incredible to me though that anyone could be in any sort of authority of a company as huge as the wwe is and be so out of touch with reality as to cause this when even a 10 year old could have booked it better. If this is all mcmahons doing, someone (i would assume hhh and maybe even steph) has to sit down with him and tell him he doesn't have it anymore because no one in their right mind could not see this coming.
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Post by Rican on Jan 26, 2015 10:20:43 GMT -5
They're going to proceed as planned. I don't think they'll even do a double turn. They're going to do their damnedest to salvage this thing and make Roman loved. Maybe we'll even get some over the top skits of him saving puppies from a burning building.
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Post by barelybeastmode on Jan 26, 2015 10:44:48 GMT -5
And the amazing thing is that this combo is the worst possible match of the available, reasonable options. Bryan vs. Lesnar - The ultimate David vs. Goliath. Bryan shouldn't stand a chance after watching Lesnar destroy these huge dudes like Taker and Cena since he returned. Bryan is a phenomenal submission and technical wrestler. Heart of a lion. He'd have to be killed to be put down. Brute force vs. technical prowess. Crowd behind Bryan like never before, even though they all respect Lesnar. Amazing atmosphere. Ziggler vs. Lesnar - He has two forgettable title reigns in his past, so this is Ziggler, having already triumphed over the Authority, trying to win the big one and cement himself once and for all. Athletic freak, phenomenal seller (Lesnar's moves would look murderous against Dolph), and a person the crowd is looking for that one final excuse to fully get behind and back. Would truly be the crowning of a new star. Ambrose vs. Lesnar - The insane match. Lesnar broke HHH's bones, concussed and ended Taker, and suplexed Cena in to oblivion. Ambrose? Doesn't care. He will sacrifice his body to win the WWE Championship. To finally step out of the shadow of the Shield on his own. Lesnar could beat him within an inch of his life and the crazy son of a bitch would keep on coming. Some of the hope spots in the match would be out of this world. All of those scenarios are lovely. Ya know... I hear WWE is looking for a new writer...
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Jan 26, 2015 11:09:28 GMT -5
Maybe my memory is foggy but I recall Cena being obviously pushed as THE guy with wins over Angle and Jericho and the fans booing the shit out of him. Even having Kurt say stupid ridiculous things to try and get heat over the guy the fans were obviously not accepting. I don't ever recall Cena being over huge with the crowd as a face. I recall him being over pushed and the fans not accepting it which morphed into what we see today a decade later. Which reminds me of Roman Reigns. They're being as subtle now about it as they were back then and the fans are again rejecting it for the same reasons. Nope Cena got a strong introduction by looking competitive with Angle but then he became just another guy. They tried him as a tag team partner to Kidman, then turned him heel. He was going nowhere until he showed up as Vanilla Ice at Halloween. Steph liked it. Fans liked it. He ran with it. Cena was featured in a WWE film before he was given his first world title, the second tier Smackdown title no less. Cena was cheered when he was drafted to Raw. He wasn't booed until he was put against perennial favorites, despite their booking, Jericho and Angle. And it wasn't until Trips tried to expose him that he was considered unworthy of his push. By that time he was doing huge sales and was already getting good press with his make-a wish work. What has Reigns done comparable, seriously? I want to like the guy but I don't see him as the next Cena.
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Post by Crimson on Jan 26, 2015 11:10:37 GMT -5
After buckling to pressure last year, I wouldn't be surprised if they try to call the audience's bluff this go around. Maybe with face Lesnar vs heel Reigns. Face Reigns is not winning the belt at mania though. Heel Reigns might. It'd be funny if they have to work Daniel Bryan into the match again. The best way to salvage it while saving face is just to have Seth Rollins insert himself since he has the MiTB contract. They could even still have Reigns win and have double turn where Reigns is the new Authority Champ, Rollins is now a face, and Lesnar cashes his (final?) check to the bank. {Spoiler}Though if I had to guess what really will happen, Seth will try to cash in after the match is all said and done and Reigns beats him clean away just to twist the knife more.
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Post by northernmonkey on Jan 26, 2015 11:21:20 GMT -5
It will be Reigns v Lesnar. They didn't get their way last year, this year they will.
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Post by Robbymac on Jan 26, 2015 11:28:01 GMT -5
Cena was booed to hell and back when he was handed the keys to the company. They shoved him down our throats anyway. I don't see this being any different. Only saving grace is if Rollins cashes in after Reigns defeats the guy that a bunch of people WAYYYYY better than him couldn't. Also we're gonna ignore that The Rock being there was interference, and flat out cheating. But yay Rock right? :/ Not until months after he won the title. Cena was massively over as a babyface when he took the title off JBL. And Cena never got a negative reaction like the one Reigns got tonight, save for Money in The Bank '11 and One Night Stand '06
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jan 26, 2015 11:28:14 GMT -5
If they are really so damn stubborn that they couldn't predict what a disaster last night's Rumble was gonna be, I would not even blink if the main event stayed unchanged this year.
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Post by mcstoklasa on Jan 26, 2015 11:51:39 GMT -5
I love Lesnar and want him to be champ forever. BUT
Now, I think at Fast Lane they need to somehow get the title off of him. Have it put on Rollins maybe and then do a shield triple threat for the title.
Have Brock face Bryan in a singles match
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Post by Widow's Peak on Jan 26, 2015 12:01:18 GMT -5
If they are going to be stubborn and stick with this one without a double turn, following the Batista/Taker model is the only way to go. Just have the two of them beat the snot out of each other for 15-20min. It still might not work, but it's better than the resthold clinic we are likely to get.
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Post by Reflecto on Jan 26, 2015 21:04:32 GMT -5
I understandf why you think this...but at the same time, when you think of which one of these guys would be most likely to quit the business for non-injury related reasons...that's gotta be Reigns by a mile, right? That, however, isn't entirely fair. The only people 'most likely to quit the business for non-injury related reasons' would infer 'they go to MMA' (and in fairness, of them the most likely of those four would be Ziggler [college wrestling standout] or Bryan [longtime MMA trainee/enthusiast] over Reigns/Ambrose [no particular amateur experience]...or "They go to Hollywood". And with Hollywood, you NEED to take the chance on the wrestlers who may go to Hollywood- because the wrestlers Hollywood take notice of ARE the ones who lead you to a new boom period (Hogan, Austin, Rock) or the ones who were the best of the best for a long time (Cena.) Ignoring someone who MAY quit to go to Hollywood is the worst decision possible, because it means taking the people who have the chance to take WWE to the promised land again and making a conscious decision to hold them back in favor of people who'll never walk away, and in the process decides "Screw a boom period, we'd RATHER be beloved by the IWC and no one else in the world. We'll take our 1.1 and be happy with that."
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Post by berlynwright on Jan 26, 2015 21:08:59 GMT -5
If they are going to be stubborn and stick with this one without a double turn, following the Batista/Taker model is the only way to go. Just have the two of them beat the snot out of each other for 15-20min. It still might not work, but it's better than the resthold clinic we are likely to get. ya this what going to happen. no holds barred match with two guys beating each other.
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