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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jan 27, 2015 17:35:03 GMT -5
The lack of lightning in the arena, as Rave stated, is a decision made by John "Big" Gaburick that is supposed to put focus on the ring and the matches. I actually like it until a match goes outside the ring and it becomes unwatchable. The new set, much like WWE, is a cost cutting measure as well as a space issues since there isn't a lot of room for the fancy sets in the smaller Manhattan Center or the casino they're running in PA. As for the announcers, they are doing that it give a more "reality" feel. They're no longer treating it as a live event that needs to be called like a sporting event but as a almost as a fight club thing where they are telling you what happened. I really love this move, it has a more realistic feel to me and gives the show a different vibe than anything else I know of in wrestling. I like the new announce style as well but I wish they could record commentary in some place that doesn't look like Dixie's basement.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Jan 27, 2015 17:47:56 GMT -5
The thing that drove me nuts on the first DA broadcast was that any time they did something outside the ring, you couldn't see shit.
In a perfect world, this would mean that they would wrestle around this, and guys wouldn't do anything outside the ring at all, but instead they had Roode vs. Lashley where they spent a good amount of the match outside by the barricades where there was next to no lighting. To say nothing about the opening brawl which came off like a bunch of shadows fighting.
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Post by Emmet Russell on Jan 27, 2015 17:48:14 GMT -5
I don't understand, as a fan, why this would encourage you to go to a TNA show - you can't be seen! you're just a figure in the dark. This doesn't seem like a great idea in order to bring fans in and that seems to be one of their main problems.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jan 27, 2015 17:53:55 GMT -5
I don't understand, as a fan, why this would encourage you to go to a TNA show - you can't be seen! you're just a figure in the dark. This doesn't seem like a great idea in order to bring fans in and that seems to be one of their main problems. I don't know about others but I don't go to wrestling shows to be seen on TV/DVD, I go to watch wrestling.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jan 27, 2015 17:54:21 GMT -5
I don't understand, as a fan, why this would encourage you to go to a TNA show - you can't be seen! you're just a figure in the dark. This doesn't seem like a great idea in order to bring fans in and that seems to be one of their main problems. That way, if people you know watch the show, they can't spot you in the crowd. TNA: The Wrestling Fan Protection Agency
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Post by Emmet Russell on Jan 27, 2015 18:05:34 GMT -5
I don't understand, as a fan, why this would encourage you to go to a TNA show - you can't be seen! you're just a figure in the dark. This doesn't seem like a great idea in order to bring fans in and that seems to be one of their main problems. I don't know about others but I don't go to wrestling shows to be seen on TV/DVD, I go to watch wrestling. It's not really about being seen on TV/DVD; it's about enjoying yourself more. I am sure a lot of fans would have a better time if they weren't hidden in the dark and they could show off their signs and interact with the wrestlers or at least feel like they're part of the show. It's not a good look on TV, either. It makes it look like you have no fans there. And the commentators aren't helping things by not being in the arena and freely admitting it and showing segments where there's people playing with the audio in the back could lead people to believe there's no one in the building and they just create fake crowd noise. The dark is no good. It makes the show dreary to watch. It creates a very macabre feeling about the company.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jan 27, 2015 18:29:02 GMT -5
I don't know about others but I don't go to wrestling shows to be seen on TV/DVD, I go to watch wrestling. It's not really about being seen on TV/DVD; it's about enjoying yourself more. I am sure a lot of fans would have a better time if they weren't hidden in the dark and they could show off their signs and interact with the wrestlers or at least feel like they're part of the show. It's not a good look on TV, either. It makes it look like you have no fans there. And the commentators aren't helping things by not being in the arena and freely admitting it and showing segments where there's people playing with the audio in the back could lead people to believe there's no one in the building and they just create fake crowd noise. The dark is no good. It makes the show dreary to watch. It creates a very macabre feeling about the company. Again, completely disagree. Nothing is stopping people from cheering, booing, high fiving the wrestlers or even making signs, you're seen, you're just not seen on TV. That is it and if people would watch the shows you could easily see the crowd during the non-wrestling segments. Does it need a little work, hell yeah it does but the answer isn't lighting up the crowd like the ring because then people will bitch about that like they have for the last 10 years and they lose the great atmosphere they get by making the ring the sole focus during matches. And the commentary causing people to think they're adding fake crowd noise is just stupid. Between WWE, WCW, ECW, TNA, and every major sports league people know that there are production teams working on things all the time including the audio. The play with many a button, knob and lever in doing that. If people cannot watch a show, actually pay attention to it and use common sense on the happenings, there is no reason to worry what they think. I know that is unpopular but so be it. Not every fan is someone worth having. But as I have said in this and other threads, they're doing something different and I like it. They are finally getting away from the Eric Bischoff/Monday Night Wars way of doing things and finding an identity of their own that makes their product, in my mind, better and is paying off with their ratings growing after the channel move which no one expected.
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Post by Paco on Jan 27, 2015 19:13:05 GMT -5
I like it.
I always liked old Coliseum Video matches from house shows due to lighting mainly in the ring.
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Post by Chip Chipperson on Jan 27, 2015 19:48:19 GMT -5
I don't understand, as a fan, why this would encourage you to go to a TNA show - you can't be seen! you're just a figure in the dark. This doesn't seem like a great idea in order to bring fans in and that seems to be one of their main problems. This. I went to an independent companies television taping when I was 14-15 for a small national network and the big thing for me was getting to be on TV. It wasn't the only reason I went but a cool added bonus of going to the TV taping rather than one of their live shows that didn't have TV cameras. Being on TV is a big deal for a lot of fans. Turning the lights off gives people yet another reason to seek an alternative.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2015 20:08:00 GMT -5
I don't understand, as a fan, why this would encourage you to go to a TNA show - you can't be seen! you're just a figure in the dark. This doesn't seem like a great idea in order to bring fans in and that seems to be one of their main problems. This. I went to an independent companies television taping when I was 14-15 for a small national network and the big thing for me was getting to be on TV. It wasn't the only reason I went but a cool added bonus of going to the TV taping rather than one of their live shows that didn't have TV cameras. Being on TV is a big deal for a lot of fans. Turning the lights off gives people yet another reason to seek an alternative. It's a reason, it just comes off to me as a really douchey self-servicing reason. I suppose TNA can't afford to lose any type of fan though. Let's hope for their sake the atmosphere draws more viewers than it loses crowd members.
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Post by Chip Chipperson on Jan 27, 2015 20:13:32 GMT -5
This. I went to an independent companies television taping when I was 14-15 for a small national network and the big thing for me was getting to be on TV. It wasn't the only reason I went but a cool added bonus of going to the TV taping rather than one of their live shows that didn't have TV cameras. Being on TV is a big deal for a lot of fans. Turning the lights off gives people yet another reason to seek an alternative. It's a reason, it just comes off to me as a really douchey self-servicing reason. I suppose TNA can't afford to lose any type of fan though. Let's hope for their sake the atmosphere draws more viewers than it loses crowd members. I don't think it's douchey just going and hoping to see yourself. If you're one of those guys who are forty rows back and you're holding up a sign all night and blocking peoples view because you want your sign to be seen for the 2-3 seconds they pan up there then that's a douchey move but going to a TV show taping in hopes of being seen on TV isn't bad in my mind.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2015 20:17:54 GMT -5
It's a reason, it just comes off to me as a really douchey self-servicing reason. I suppose TNA can't afford to lose any type of fan though. Let's hope for their sake the atmosphere draws more viewers than it loses crowd members. I don't think it's douchey just going and hoping to see yourself. If you're one of those guys who are forty rows back and you're holding up a sign all night and blocking peoples view because you want your sign to be seen for the 2-3 seconds they pan up there then that's a douchey move but going to a TV show taping in hopes of being seen on TV isn't bad in my mind. Hoping to see yourself on TV isn't douchey, but not going because you don't think you'll get on TV is a bit douchey in my opinion.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 27, 2015 20:20:19 GMT -5
It's a reason, it just comes off to me as a really douchey self-servicing reason. I suppose TNA can't afford to lose any type of fan though. Let's hope for their sake the atmosphere draws more viewers than it loses crowd members. I don't think it's douchey just going and hoping to see yourself. If you're one of those guys who are forty rows back and you're holding up a sign all night and blocking peoples view because you want your sign to be seen for the 2-3 seconds they pan up there then that's a douchey move but going to a TV show taping in hopes of being seen on TV isn't bad in my mind. Agreed. I believe the thing to going to any sporting event is that you want to be there for the atmosphere. I have friends tell me all the time let's go the Knicks and I will say Hell No, to watch them lose and they tell me no just to sit around for the game, the atmosphere and environment. There is something about seeing an arena or venue of fans enjoying themselves which can bring the product up as well.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jan 27, 2015 20:28:55 GMT -5
I don't think it's douchey just going and hoping to see yourself. If you're one of those guys who are forty rows back and you're holding up a sign all night and blocking peoples view because you want your sign to be seen for the 2-3 seconds they pan up there then that's a douchey move but going to a TV show taping in hopes of being seen on TV isn't bad in my mind. Hoping to see yourself on TV isn't douchey, but not going because you don't think you'll get on TV is a bit douchey in my opinion. That is kinda where I am. Being on TV/DVD as an added bonus I understand but it being a make or break thing is insanity to me and that is why I think it being a factor in TNA's lighting setup is crap for a vocabulary shortcoming.
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Post by Rave on Jan 27, 2015 22:03:12 GMT -5
I would be concerned about things happening in that darkened crowd. If, say, an assault, or heaven forbid, a rape, happened in their intentionally-darkened crowd, it'd be a nightmare.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Jan 28, 2015 0:37:41 GMT -5
Because the main feud is Lashley vs MVP
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 28, 2015 0:47:05 GMT -5
The lack of lightning in the arena, as Rave stated, is a decision made by John "Big" Gaburick that is supposed to put focus on the ring and the matches. I actually like it until a match goes outside the ring and it becomes unwatchable. The new set, much like WWE, is a cost cutting measure as well as a space issues since there isn't a lot of room for the fancy sets in the smaller Manhattan Center or the casino they're running in PA. As for the announcers, they are doing that it give a more "reality" feel. They're no longer treating it as a live event that needs to be called like a sporting event but as a almost as a fight club thing where they are telling you what happened. I really love this move, it has a more realistic feel to me and gives the show a different vibe than anything else I know of in wrestling. I like the new announce style as well but I wish they could record commentary in some place that doesn't look like Dixie's basement. ....yeah... looks like...
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jan 28, 2015 4:22:46 GMT -5
I like the new announce style as well but I wish they could record commentary in some place that doesn't look like Dixie's basement. ....yeah... looks like... The Holiday Inn staff kicked them out? Bram shouldn't have broken into where they were doing remodeling.
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Post by jimmyjames on Jan 28, 2015 4:59:15 GMT -5
....yeah... looks like... The Holiday Inn staff kicked them out? Bram shouldn't have broken into where they were doing remodeling. Holiday Inn doesn't joke around. When they out by 8:00a.m. Tuesday, they mean it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2015 10:41:18 GMT -5
I would be concerned about things happening in that darkened crowd. If, say, an assault, or heaven forbid, a rape, happened in their intentionally-darkened crowd, it'd be a nightmare. A bit over the top there Rave. I don't believe it's really much worse than most concerts, clubs, haunted houses or movie theaters are at times.
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