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Post by PsychoGoatee on Jan 28, 2015 20:28:55 GMT -5
It could work if the winner gets the WWE Champion at Extreme Rules(that is the show after Mania, right?). That way it doesn't just become a "We had f*** all for these two to do, so uh... Here ya go" match. Which is why I don't want it to happen. Will it be a good match, sure. But, if it's just a respect match for nothing, what's the point? They'll go out there for 10 minutes, have a good match, than WWE will continue to promote Sting/Taker and Lesnar/Reigns as the greatest matches of the night. It won't change anything. Some of my favorite matches are like that. Two babyfaces just having a high energy match to see who's the better man that night at WrestleMania. And I'm sure they could come up with some other stuff for promos along the way, could be a lot of fun. Sure, I'd like them both to be contenders for the title, but they have a new pay-per-view every month for stuff like that, plus RAW every week to determine #1 contenders. For WrestleMania, just having a great match really is enough for a lot of the fans, I know it would be a highlight of the show for me personally. I hope they go for it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2015 20:29:15 GMT -5
The story of 'two guys want to wrestle to have a good match' just sounds....weird. Hey wrestling is fake you guys. These two are gonna work together to have a good match! A good and completely pointless match with no story behind it! Shouldn't be too hard to make a stipulation. A face authority figure could make it a number one contender match or the actual authority could screw with them, loser is fired, loser must join the authority, loser doesn't receive a title shot for a year...just some they could do off the top of my head.
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Post by PsychoGoatee on Jan 28, 2015 20:31:20 GMT -5
The story of 'two guys want to wrestle to have a good match' just sounds....weird. Hey wrestling is fake you guys. These two are gonna work together to have a good match! A good and completely pointless match with no story behind it! Shouldn't be too hard to make a stipulation. A face authority figure could make it a number one contender match or the actual authority could screw with them, loser is fired, loser must join the authority, loser doesn't receive a title shot for a year...just some they could do off the top of my head. The loser is less good, and loses to the better man. On the grandest stage of all. To me, making it a #1 contenders match like Cena's match at both Hell In a Cell and TLC were doesn't really enhance it. And it was just done two months in a row with Cena. Who wins is significant enough in and of itself. But hey, we all have different taste. Plus the match itself is the appeal to me no matter who wins, and I'm sure they'll both look like a million bucks.
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Post by gnr123 on Jan 28, 2015 21:01:50 GMT -5
Don't bet on it. You'll probably have: Reigns/Lesnar: Probably 30 minutes. (God, help us all.) Sting/Taker: 25 minutes, not including their entrances. Cena/Rusev: 20 minutes. Wyatt/Taker (if it happens): 20 minutes ( not including Taker's 5 minute entrance). Rollins/Orton: 15 minutes. The Battle Royal (if they have one) will be about 15 minutes. Divas match will probably take up five minutes. Plus the Hall of Fame ceremony stuff and other shit to take up time (like a musical guest). That'll leave them between either 10 or 15 minutes of ring time. If their lucky. Wrestlemania has been a 4 hour show these past few years. All of that only fills about 2 and a half. Plenty of time to give to this match. Yeah, and I just looked over the past few WrestleMania's and none of them have any match over 15 minutes that's not a main event match.
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Post by Macho Pichu on Jan 28, 2015 21:16:35 GMT -5
Wrestlemania has been a 4 hour show these past few years. All of that only fills about 2 and a half. Plenty of time to give to this match. Yeah, and I just looked over the past few WrestleMania's and none of them have any match over 15 minutes that's not a main event match. Is Cena vs Wyatt really a main event? Foley vs Edge went pretty close to 15, and that was a show stealer that I would say was certainly not a main event.
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Post by gnr123 on Jan 28, 2015 21:18:49 GMT -5
Yeah, and I just looked over the past few WrestleMania's and none of them have any match over 15 minutes that's not a main event match. Is Cena vs Wyatt really a main event? Foley vs Edge went pretty close to 15, and that was a show stealer that I would say was certainly not a main event. It's John Cena, and it had a big storyline for it. I think it count's as a main event. Dolph Ziggler vs. Daniel Bryan in a "steal the show" match won't be a main event (atleast in WWE's eyes).
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Post by Apricots And A Pear Tree on Jan 28, 2015 21:41:24 GMT -5
Daniel Bryan can't wrestle Dolph at Wrestlemania, Dolph is going to wrestle Zack Ryder, God Dammit!
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Post by trollrogue on Jan 29, 2015 0:36:54 GMT -5
If Rollins somehow runs afoul of the Authority he can have his MITB briefcase up for grabs at 'Mania, with Ziggler/Bryan/Orton/Rollins in a Fatal 4-Way Ladder match that would definitely steal the show, and it would be given 30 minutes hopefully. Then the winner can 'stick' the Lesnar/Reigns winner in the main event Kevin Nash style.
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Post by TheSchattenjager on Jan 29, 2015 6:24:57 GMT -5
I have an idea.
Roman Reigns acknowledges the boos on RAW, calls out Daniel Bryan and tells him that he is not worth the WrestleMania main event, unless he beats Bryan. He puts his title shot on the line at the February PPV.
Dolph Ziggler runs in and takes Bryan out, turning heel and gets massive heat.
He's reasoning is that he has worked just as hard as Bryan, but Bryan's the one always getting these "second chances" and it's not fair.
And there's your match at WrestleMania.
I would prefer Bryan vs. heel Sheamus, but if they're going with Bryan/Ziggler, that's how I would do it.
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Post by cmpaul31 on Jan 29, 2015 8:24:29 GMT -5
As far as a storyline goes, an idea I had was to firstly have the Authority announce the match - play it off the way a lot of the IWC are seeing it, that it's a way to keep Bryan away from the main event while appeasing the fans to an extent by having two of their favourites in a match... HHH and Steph in full smug condescending mode as they say how sure they are it'll 'light up the undercard' etc., then have Bryan say that their match deserves to be the co-main event. Lots of back and forth about it, maybe bring up the 'occupy Raw' thing as a threat to get their way, until eventually a match is made on Raw where if Bryan and Ziggler can win a match where the odds are against them(something like a 4 on 2 handicap match), their match is the co-main event of Mania(going second-last, as obviously Lesnar/Reigns does need to finish the show).
Have said match be a lengthy main event that ends up with Ziggler injured and Bryan somehow winning, perhaps by Sting interfering so as to further his and HHH's storyline as well.
After that(and, by this point we'd be no more than a few weeks away from Mania), Bryan cuts a promo rallying the fans, talking about how now, whoever wins, he and Ziggler have the platform to 'steal the show'... Ziggler would be showing subtle signs of jealousy at the amount of support Bryan gets from the fans, dwarfing even his not-inconsiderable support, particularly with the manner in which the tag match was won, and would begin showing signs of being suspicious of Bryan, his frustration at Bryan's heightened crowd reactions bothering him, to the point where Ziggler calls him a glory-hog and says, in full heel mode now, that it's clear the fans see this year's Wrestlemania, just as they did last year's, as Daniel Bryan's show, and that he's going to steal it.
That way, the match is dressed up and elevated enough not to seem beneath either talent, and you have an actual storyline between the two attached onto it, rather than just a random showcase of two of the best wrestlers in the company.
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Post by TheSchattenjager on Jan 29, 2015 8:27:13 GMT -5
It just makes no sense to me that two wrestlers would want to "steal the show". They should always try to win as quickly as possible, it's a sport. Would they agree that for the first 15 minutes, they kick out of each other's finishers, and THEN start to actually legit wrestling?
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Post by MAGGLE on Jan 29, 2015 8:31:56 GMT -5
I think the fans have to understand that there is only one important Title in the WWE and that is why it is normal that some people have to take a backseat. Look at the time when Hogan etc were on top. The problem in this current situation is that they still made you care about the guys that were not in the World Title Match, mostly because the other titles meant something back then. In this situation the best think possible would have both of them come out on Raw and straight shoot that they are not in the focus for Wrestlemania, so why don´t just face each other in a fair match with just 2 faces having a good match. Let them go for 20mins at Wrestlemania with Bryan winning with a roll up or something like that. Standing ovation and handshake would make a great Wrestlemania Moment.
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Post by cmpaul31 on Jan 29, 2015 8:32:16 GMT -5
I don't think it breaks kayfabe to acknowledge it, personally. They both know they'll bring the best out of each other and it'll be a tough battle, and by the time Ziggler goes heel, the phrase takes on a stronger meaning of Ziggler just wanting to take the spotlight from Bryan by beating him.
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Post by Rican on Jan 29, 2015 9:41:14 GMT -5
I don't know if this has been mentioned in this thread or not, and I may be making this up since it was years ago, but wasn't the set up to Angle/Benoit at WM17 similar? I vaguely remember Angle coming out to the ring a few weeks before Mania and complaining about being left off of the card up to that point and wanting a good opponent or something.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2015 10:01:30 GMT -5
If Rollins somehow runs afoul of the Authority he can have his MITB briefcase up for grabs at 'Mania, with Ziggler/Bryan/Orton/Rollins in a Fatal 4-Way Ladder match that would definitely steal the show, and it would be given 30 minutes hopefully. Then the winner can 'stick' the Lesnar/Reigns winner in the main event Kevin Nash style. That's pretty damn perfect booking.
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Post by hossfan on Jan 29, 2015 10:22:01 GMT -5
I have no interest in Dolph vs. Bryan. I'd rather see Bryan/Rusev and Ziggler/Cena. Let DB be the one to shut up the evil foreigners and let Dolph and John feud over that "Trainwreck" movie.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Jan 29, 2015 10:53:06 GMT -5
I have no interest in Dolph vs. Bryan. I'd rather see Bryan/Rusev and Ziggler/Cena. Let DB be the one to shut up the evil foreigners and let Dolph and John feud over that "Trainwreck" movie. See. I like those matches better. Cena/Ziggler could be great and there would be actual conflict involved. I know people here have said that a handshake after a long match would be an awesome Mania moment. I can't help thinking how ridiculous it would look. Ziggler's long match noodle head in full effect and a DB's crazy hair on the othe side.
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Post by berlynwright on Jan 29, 2015 11:58:57 GMT -5
I have an idea. Roman Reigns acknowledges the boos on RAW, calls out Daniel Bryan and tells him that he is not worth the WrestleMania main event, unless he beats Bryan. He puts his title shot on the line at the February PPV. dude.. i mean.. you want a face to tell the world he's not worthy of main event, which he earned fair and square??? i know noone likes him, but some of the fantasy booking is just ridiculous..
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Post by bmfjules on Jan 29, 2015 12:35:39 GMT -5
It just makes no sense to me that two wrestlers would want to "steal the show". They should always try to win as quickly as possible, it's a sport. Would they agree that for the first 15 minutes, they kick out of each other's finishers, and THEN start to actually legit wrestling? Again, see what I wrote in the MMA example. This happens often in UFC where two guys who are known for "exciting fights" are paired up with one another. Each guy will put the other one over in interviews saying that they both can guarantee they will go all out and leave nothing in the tank for said fight. Of course both guys are trying to WIN the entire fight, it's just their supreme toughness and tenacity (what makes their fights exciting to begin with) that makes people expect it to be a five round war instead of a flash KO. Again, (different weight classes I know) this is like if Clay Guida and the Korean Zombie went one on one in a battle to see who was the toughest workhorse in the UFC.
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Post by Clawley Race on Jan 29, 2015 12:36:34 GMT -5
Ambrose, Bryan and Ziggler interfere after the main event, and cost Reigns the title when Rollins cashes in. I'd have to pick my jaw up off the floor...and then fix the floor...
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