pegasuswarrior
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Jan 28, 2015 21:11:15 GMT -5
Instead of scraping the bottom and pushing the face that gets mixed reactions, why not push faces that get uniformly cheered such as Ziggler, Bryan, or Ambrose? Then you don't have to hope they happen to be doing a live show from Rural South Dakota or Mississippi, or wherever else it is that pesky "vocal minority" of smarks haven't infiltrated. And have them lose constantly to the guys you want to be boo'ed. You're right. Wrestling 101. So wHHHo booked this shult?
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Post by saintpat on Jan 28, 2015 21:16:12 GMT -5
That's exactly what I'm doing. There have been TONS of posts by people who say they don't really dislike Roman Reigns but "don't think he's ready" or don't like how he's being booked or whatever. I'm taking them 100 percent at their word. If you don't like Roman, I'm not talking about you here. Don't read things into my post that I don't say -- in other words, don't accuse me of what you're doing. Your implication that people's reactions has less to do with Bryan and more to do with Reigns is what I was really keying on. Disliking main-eventer Reigns doesn't require you to think he's terrible in all ways. But, if I take you entirely literally, that you just won't take it seriously when people boo a push instead of a character? I... can't really argue with that, except just to say that you have very arbitrary tastes. There are always going to be people who disagree with booking for one reason or another. If they boo Wrestler A because they instead want Wrestler B, that's too me a momentary thing and not an indictment of Wrestler A.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 28, 2015 21:25:40 GMT -5
Your implication that people's reactions has less to do with Bryan and more to do with Reigns is what I was really keying on. Disliking main-eventer Reigns doesn't require you to think he's terrible in all ways. But, if I take you entirely literally, that you just won't take it seriously when people boo a push instead of a character? I... can't really argue with that, except just to say that you have very arbitrary tastes. There are always going to be people who disagree with booking for one reason or another. If they boo Wrestler A because they instead want Wrestler B, that's too me a momentary thing and not an indictment of Wrestler A. It is momentary, if the booking changes to reflect fan opinions. If the company sticks rigidly to it, those boos will continue.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jan 28, 2015 21:26:15 GMT -5
I wonder if people in the mid 90s wrote off the hate that Rocky Maivia started to receive as being the work of smarks that couldn't possibly happen in non smark areas because he's young, handsome and some people didn't mind him before his push hit full swing.
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Post by SinisterMinister on Jan 28, 2015 21:30:28 GMT -5
Reigns is not going to make it, the more the WWE does to try to force Reigns down our throat the more resentment that is going to be shown. Fans do not want a manufactured hero who was fed from childhood by the WWE, they want a real hero like Daniel Bryan.
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Post by metylerca on Jan 28, 2015 21:36:43 GMT -5
I gotta let the choppa fly for a bit... The truth is that the "Philly crowd" comments aren't as empowering as they were in the past. Fans these days have become far more smarky than ever and beyond that the line between mark and smark has put in a coma by Punk, Bryan and the Shield these past 3 1/2 years. It's not like the old days and the Philly crowd is major wrestling crowd, of course, but that type of crowd represents a far larger amount of fans than ever these days. That's the type of crowd you'd see in a great amount of arenas throughout the world. I mean it is what it is now. That crowd is the Wrestlemania crowd. That's it. Now to the meat and potatoes of this whole thing, like people have said, Batista was popular too until last year's Rumble hit. Even when they tried to protect Big Dave it didn't work and hell even Big Dave knew it would happen. With Reigns however a lot of people aren't getting that the guy wasn't "mega-over" like some people are claiming across the board. Reigns was liked by people but Ambrose was more over, Ziggler was more over, a lot of people are more over than him. He wasn't one of their most popular stars. Reigns has been getting some boos in his appearances these past few months too. People booed that Big Show match for example, people weren't that hyped for that Seth match on Raw and hell, Reigns was booed during a Harper match a few weeks ago on Raw in the South. Fans cheered Harper and this is the South where, of course, they're both liked but Harper hasn't been getting cheered at at all since he left Wyatt. They all of a sudden cheer him and boo Reigns? In the South? Where the Big Hosses rule over everything? Do people not think that's a problem? Something is up if they don't. That's unusual. Now after this it creates more boos for Reigns so really look at it this way, there's no way in hell in my eyes you can convince me that Reigns is going to be more over than he was before the Rumble after the Rumble. The Rumble gives a negative perception of him and his character, that's it. It's negative. Sure he might not be booed everywhere but he damn sure isn't going to get suddenly more over because of that. People know this. Then you factor in all these Reigns interviews, comments about him, all of this stuff is hitting at once. It's crazy. It's not looking good for him overall and it's a delicate situation. I'm not saying he'll be booed out of the building, I'm saying that if anyone's expecting him to get more popular a great amount all over the country after all of that, within these next few weeks, I'm saying you guys are having pipedreams. Really. It wouldn't make any sense. Sheamus, a guy who was really really over, far more than Reigns, had his career f***ed up after the Bryan situation years ago. Even though some cheered him, it wasn't the same. And here's something else... Anyone actually thinking he's going to be cheered over Brock Lesnar at Wrestlemania is fooling themselves. I don't care who you are but no it's not happening. Heyman's tried his damnest to turn Lesnar into a mega-booed heel since Lesnar's returned and that's all failed, it's failed all over. Fans are begging to cheer for Lesnar if they aren't already and hell the company's painting him as a babyface in ways. If anyone thinks Reigns will be cheered over this man, no matter what type of voodoo Papa Shango shit they can pull out of thin air, well, I can sell you a dream of Biblical proportions. It's not happening. And finally, the WWE isn't stupid. There's no way they're letting Reigns be booed out of WM as champion being a babyface. Something has to be done. It just has to be done. That's it. I know this is only January, but I nominate this for post of the year. Sums up the frustrations of many of us right now concerning the Reigns situation. Also, that Perd post was from last year.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2015 21:39:55 GMT -5
Now I'm not as huge a fan of him, though I don't hate him either. I just don't think he's ready yet. My anger towards the Rumble match was how it was booked, in the sense that Bray Wyatt/Bryan/Ambrose/Ziggler were just sort of unceremoniously booted out. These are my thoughts as well. 100%.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jan 28, 2015 21:58:45 GMT -5
Yeah, Reigns certainly seems popular, but there's frustration at work here that goes way beyond him.
If the main event of 'Mania wasn't against Brock Lesnar, Reigns could survive this, but Lesnar being champ means this match has more "make a guy the biggest face in the company overnight" potential than any title match WWE has cooked up since Steve Austin won the title for the first time. It's not Reigns' fault, but his time off due to injury and whatnot made it so he wasn't one of the top 3 or so faces in the company, and fans want to see one of their top favorites be the one to get the once in a lifetime chance to go over a guy who's been built up as huge as, and seen as legitimate as, Lesnar.
If it was Randy Orton from last year, the crowd may not mind this so much, but it's clear that whoever beats Lesnar is the company's new standard bearer, full stop, and people seem to want it to be Bryan most, maybe somebody like Ambrose, but not really Reigns.
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