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Post by JTH on Jan 31, 2015 8:02:35 GMT -5
For the record, do I think the WWE should hand pick guys to be their main eventers and stars? Yes, absolutely.
But here's the thing, do I think they should also make main eventers and stars out of people the fans choose? Yes, of course.
Because then guess what that does? Then you have 3 stars, 4 stars, 5 stars that can main event every RAW, any PPV, and any Wrestlemania instead of shoving everyone down the card to have your own 1 star.
I think someone needs to remind WWE that at no point has their company thrived with just 1 star at the top.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2015 8:03:34 GMT -5
This argument is invalid because pretty much everyone was happy after Wrestlemania last year. There were a ton of people unhappy last year after Mania. There were complaints that Cena went over Wyatt, Bryan feuding with Kane, Cesaro's theme song. Not to mention there was a good amount of people who didn't like that Taker had lost. Complaints and blindly attacking aren't the same thing though.
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Post by wcc2 on Jan 31, 2015 8:12:40 GMT -5
The Network wasn't available at the time. Ah my mistake then.I didn't sleep ,so i blame that :PArgument stands. Interesting to note to the Punk vs Cena one: The ppvs buyrate was already in a decline. It is probably something to consider.(One could argue it wasn't enough to raise buys as much as Brock Lesnar) Ha...good point. But actually Bryan and Punk are the two worst headliners since 1996 then, with buy-rates really similar. I feel like we are getting somewhere in this thread though. People are actually asking questions and not attributing everything to a maniacal Bond villain esque Vince that makes crazy decisions for no other reason than he likes lighting money on fire. People are actually looking at facts and asking what they mean which is a much more sensible way to have a discussion than to just blindly assume that one particular section of a fan base is more monetarily important than everybody else, and that the company is stupid for not listening to just them. The buy-rate declined significantly for Cena vs Punk (again, after what I thought was an awesome kick off promo to the angle, and an awesome story leading into the PPV) but picked back up again with Brock Lesnar on the card. Then it dropped again with Bryan as the headliner. They've been in decline (under 400,000) since 2009, but it's not a constant decline. Some years it is up again. But it is clear that they would have justifiable reasons for not trusting a Bryan, or a Punk, in a PPV main event run despite pure positive crowd reaction. Maybe it is true that if it is the over 40s that pay the most money for WWE, that they are most conditioned to 'big guys' that Vince promotes. We've seen a change in terms of who they allow to be a main eventer but the likes of Bryan and Punk appeal to a younger demographic with less disposable income. It may be a fair few years while this 18-36 demo turns into a 40+ one until we see positive buy-rates for the smaller technical guys.
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Post by wcc2 on Jan 31, 2015 8:13:48 GMT -5
For the record, do I think the WWE should hand pick guys to be their main eventers and stars? Yes, absolutely. But here's the thing, do I think they should also make main eventers and stars out of people the fans choose? Yes, of course. Because then guess what that does? Then you have 3 stars, 4 stars, 5 stars that can main event every RAW, any PPV, and any Wrestlemania instead of shoving everyone down the card to have your own 1 star. I think someone needs to remind WWE that at no point has their company thrived with just 1 star at the top. It's a ladder. The whole business works because of the ladder. There will always be one star at the top of it, but there has always been 5 people under that top guy, it was the same in 1999 as it is today.
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Post by Blindkarevik on Jan 31, 2015 8:15:22 GMT -5
It's a great way for people to clamor for Daniel Bryan to be promoted to NXT.
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on Jan 31, 2015 8:20:07 GMT -5
It's a great way for people to clamor for Daniel Bryan to be promoted to NXT. I've had a thought that it could be a good rub for a major guy to have a crossover NXT feud. Have the NXT guy call out Bryan (or someone else), have him show up in the crowd on Raw and have the main roster guy eventually show up unannounced at NXT. Could be a fun feud if done correctly.
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Post by Blindkarevik on Jan 31, 2015 8:30:51 GMT -5
It's a great way for people to clamor for Daniel Bryan to be promoted to NXT. I've had a thought that it could be a good rub for a major guy to have a crossover NXT feud. Have the NXT guy call out Bryan (or someone else), have him show up in the crowd on Raw and have the main roster guy eventually show up unannounced at NXT. Could be a fun feud if done correctly. I've long said Kevin Owens gimmick should be that he's the first NXT guy who turns down being called to the main roster, then he starts calling out guys on the main roster to prove that NXT is the superior product. I think it could work, because the NXT fans will support Owens, while the WWE fans will be able to say, "It's just some loudmouth, why listen to him?" So neither brand looks particularly weaker than the other.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Jan 31, 2015 8:45:55 GMT -5
I hope you're all happy. Right now Vince is sitting in his office of evil laughing at us.
They think they're getting a Bryan vs Ziggler match? Well...make them curtain jerk! Better yet...make them a team and make them face Big Show and Kane! Don't give them the pleasure of Barrett breaking the news either!
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Jan 31, 2015 8:50:41 GMT -5
I hope you're all happy. Right now Vince is sitting in his office of evil laughing at us. They think they're getting a Bryan vs Ziggler match? Well...make them curtain jerk! Better yet...make them a team and make them face Big Show and Kane! Don't give them the pleasure of Barrett breaking the news either! Is his "Office of Evil" the same as his main office or does he have a second, separate office just to come up with plans to piss people off?
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Post by Rolent Tex on Jan 31, 2015 9:17:13 GMT -5
I hope you're all happy. Right now Vince is sitting in his office of evil laughing at us. They think they're getting a Bryan vs Ziggler match? Well...make them curtain jerk! Better yet...make them a team and make them face Big Show and Kane! Don't give them the pleasure of Barrett breaking the news either! Is his "Office of Evil" the same as his main office or does he have a second, separate office just to come up with plans to piss people off? I like to think that after 2005 he had a special office constructed where he plots how to troll the fan base while enjoying old WBF videos.
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Post by dreamer75 on Jan 31, 2015 10:21:23 GMT -5
For the record, do I think the WWE should hand pick guys to be their main eventers and stars? Yes, absolutely. But here's the thing, do I think they should also make main eventers and stars out of people the fans choose? Yes, of course. Because then guess what that does? Then you have 3 stars, 4 stars, 5 stars that can main event every RAW, any PPV, and any Wrestlemania instead of shoving everyone down the card to have your own 1 star. I think someone needs to remind WWE that at no point has their company thrived with just 1 star at the top. It's a ladder. The whole business works because of the ladder. There will always be one star at the top of it, but there has always been 5 people under that top guy, it was the same in 1999 as it is today. In 1999 the rung between top of the ladder and the next was quite small. Today the rungs between the top of the ladder seem to be miles apart
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Post by walterharrow on Jan 31, 2015 10:30:34 GMT -5
I just dont get this (i havent read every page of the thread so i dont know if someone else has said what i am going to say)
WWE dont need to do ANYTHING with Daniel Bryan other than give him the push that they are giving Roman Reigns. Bryan has the fans and reactions, he is great in the ring and is a decent talker. They basically have the next face of the company ready but they dont want him. They are making it harder for themselves and giving themselves more work to do by choosing Roman Reigns. It just doesnt make sense to me that they are trying so hard to find the next big star, yet they refuse to see that Daniel Bryan is already there (i honestly think that Bryan is more marketable than Reigns. Reigns doesnt seem like the type of person who will be great at press conferences and tv interviews whereas Bryan could just be himself and come across very well)
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Jan 31, 2015 10:40:57 GMT -5
For the record, do I think the WWE should hand pick guys to be their main eventers and stars? Yes, absolutely. But here's the thing, do I think they should also make main eventers and stars out of people the fans choose? Yes, of course. Because then guess what that does? Then you have 3 stars, 4 stars, 5 stars that can main event every RAW, any PPV, and any Wrestlemania instead of shoving everyone down the card to have your own 1 star. I think someone needs to remind WWE that at no point has their company thrived with just 1 star at the top. It's a ladder. The whole business works because of the ladder. There will always be one star at the top of it, but there has always been 5 people under that top guy, it was the same in 1999 as it is today. Any particular reason to believe that, aside from just "That's how it was in the past?"
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Post by Rolent Tex on Jan 31, 2015 10:44:48 GMT -5
I just dont get this (i havent read every page of the thread so i dont know if someone else has said what i am going to say) WWE dont need to do ANYTHING with Daniel Bryan other than give him the push that they are giving Roman Reigns. Bryan has the fans and reactions, he is great in the ring and is a decent talker. They basically have the next face of the company ready but they dont want him. They are making it harder for themselves and giving themselves more work to do by choosing Roman Reigns. It just doesnt make sense to me that they are trying so hard to find the next big star, yet they refuse to see that Daniel Bryan is already there (i honestly think that Bryan is more marketable than Reigns. Reigns doesnt seem like the type of person who will be great at press conferences and tv interviews whereas Bryan could just be himself and come across very well) Not gonna lie. Bryan vs Heel Self Entitled Reigns could be huge.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2015 10:49:37 GMT -5
I don't believe this story because the site it's from is pretty awful, but I don't see that WWE has any reason to listen to the fans. The hardcore fans are the only ones who can talk with their wallets, but the hardcore fans are also the ones who watch every week, subscribe to the network and buy merchandise.
I love wrestling but I find the company and its deeds so repugnant that I don't go to shows, buy merch or watch the PPVs. I don't do it in a vindictive "BOOOO WWE SUXX0RZ" kind of way, but merely because there are no alternatives. I wish more people would be willing to do the same, so that it had an actual, tangible effect. Casuals don't spend much money. Only the hardcore fans do.
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on Jan 31, 2015 11:29:00 GMT -5
There were a ton of people unhappy last year after Mania. There were complaints that Cena went over Wyatt, Bryan feuding with Kane, Cesaro's theme song. Not to mention there was a good amount of people who didn't like that Taker had lost. Complaints and blindly attacking aren't the same thing though. I totally agree. There are some valid complaints, but there are also a good bit that will trash WWE no matter what they do.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Jan 31, 2015 11:47:02 GMT -5
Hmm, it is odd. If they're not gonna put Bryan into the main event of Wrestlemania, I could see that, get someone new over. But, they should have at least went about it differently.
It is the issue again where Vince needs to go. Let's say this report is bullshit, and it could be. They're still wanting to push Roman Reigns as the top guy and some fans might not buy into him. I think Vince is still back in the 80s with his thinking that they can keep pushing a guy and it will work. Hell, I wonder if Rocky Maivia didn't get injured and put out of Vince's mind when so much other stuff was going on that maybe Vince would have kept going with that gimmick too. Hell, with John Cena, I feel maybe a year as a heel in 2005 or 2006 could have done wonders for him in regards to fan popularity in the future.
I have heard that WWE and the Tapout brand announcing a partnership for merchandise, and I feel Tapout might want to have Daniel Bryan as their guy, considering he kinda fits the mould of a spokesman they're looking for. This grappler who makes guys, well, tap out. I feel though that WWE might be like, no, f*** that, we want, maybe John Cena or someone else to be the main guy with this brand, though this is all my bullshit speculation and pondering. CM Punk talked about WWE not wanting certain guys on say, the cover of a video game, and that's where I get that idea.
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Post by Eunös ✈ on Jan 31, 2015 11:49:39 GMT -5
I'm actually hoping they don't give in.
Please.. Go ahead with Roman vs Brock
If this ends up being a humongous train wreck
Lets see If lessons will be learned for 2016
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jan 31, 2015 11:51:20 GMT -5
Duh WWE knows that tapping out is for pussies.
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Post by thegame415 on Jan 31, 2015 11:58:04 GMT -5
While I do believe this report, it could also be NewZ. Remember this time last year when Punk was coming back every other week?
The worst was after Raw in Chicago, when the NEwz said sources thought they held is return back a week to shock everybody.
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