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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2015 18:09:08 GMT -5
Layla, obviously. She so preeetty.
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Post by ededdneddy on Jan 31, 2015 19:17:21 GMT -5
#AnyoneButCena
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Post by DSR on Jan 31, 2015 19:20:54 GMT -5
Cody Rhodes
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Post by Professor Chaos on Jan 31, 2015 19:28:05 GMT -5
I don't think Layla will be around much longer sadly. Injured again and she'll be 38 in June.
On topic though Bryan is the most popular guy they got by far. Common logic says that should be the face of your company but yeah....
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Post by Reflecto on Jan 31, 2015 23:45:19 GMT -5
WWE is desperate to find the next Cena, they should be focusing in finding the next Bret Hart, the talented person who will lead them in the short run until the next big thing really does come along and endears themself to the crowd (hopefully without the crashing business side). Instead, they want to force it on a guy who lacks the promo skills of any other company face. But that's also the problem- because fans want the next Bret Hart more than anything, there will NEVER be the next Cena, the next Hogan, the next Rock...and because the "evil authority" angle is played out, no next Austin. The fans right now are engineered to never cheer anyone who has the slightest inclination of having been planned to rise to the top from the moment they signed with WWE- and people who were the next big thing are the same people where there was never any doubt they were eventually going to make it to the top. As such, sometimes you have to say to the fans "this is where we're going, this is how it's going to be- deal with it, or don't- what're you gonna do, watch TNA?" when it IS a person who has the potential to one day be the next Cena/Hogan/Rock.)
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jan 31, 2015 23:57:30 GMT -5
WWE is desperate to find the next Cena, they should be focusing in finding the next Bret Hart, the talented person who will lead them in the short run until the next big thing really does come along and endears themself to the crowd (hopefully without the crashing business side). Instead, they want to force it on a guy who lacks the promo skills of any other company face. But that's also the problem- because fans want the next Bret Hart more than anything, there will NEVER be the next Cena, the next Hogan, the next Rock...and because the "evil authority" angle is played out, no next Austin. The fans right now are engineered to never cheer anyone who has the slightest inclination of having been planned to rise to the top from the moment they signed with WWE- and people who were the next big thing are the same people where there was never any doubt they were eventually going to make it to the top. As such, sometimes you have to say to the fans "this is where we're going, this is how it's going to be- deal with it, or don't- what're you gonna do, watch TNA?" when it IS a person who has the potential to one day be the next Cena/Hogan/Rock.) The fans aren't booing the hand-picked talent specifically because they're hand picked. The fans boo the hand-picked stars, because they're usually given obnoxious pushes that they don't have the ability to back up. If someone like Sami Zayn or Finn Balor was shoved down our throats, it would be readily accepted because they have the talent to back it up.
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Post by Yamashita Enforcement Division on Feb 1, 2015 3:25:16 GMT -5
CM Punk.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 3:28:30 GMT -5
CM Punk
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Post by Grennel on Feb 1, 2015 3:31:34 GMT -5
No Snitsky option? This, sir, is a farce. I bid you good day.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 3:39:15 GMT -5
Me.
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Feb 1, 2015 4:31:04 GMT -5
Sin Cara
Get it? Cause the name literally means "No face?"
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Post by Red Impact on Feb 1, 2015 8:39:35 GMT -5
WWE is desperate to find the next Cena, they should be focusing in finding the next Bret Hart, the talented person who will lead them in the short run until the next big thing really does come along and endears themself to the crowd (hopefully without the crashing business side). Instead, they want to force it on a guy who lacks the promo skills of any other company face. But that's also the problem- because fans want the next Bret Hart more than anything, there will NEVER be the next Cena, the next Hogan, the next Rock...and because the "evil authority" angle is played out, no next Austin. The fans right now are engineered to never cheer anyone who has the slightest inclination of having been planned to rise to the top from the moment they signed with WWE- and people who were the next big thing are the same people where there was never any doubt they were eventually going to make it to the top. As such, sometimes you have to say to the fans "this is where we're going, this is how it's going to be- deal with it, or don't- what're you gonna do, watch TNA?" when it IS a person who has the potential to one day be the next Cena/Hogan/Rock.) The fans aren't conditioned to do anything other than cheer the people they like, which is only a problem when you have a company that is so strongly devoted to going against the wishes of their own consumers. And sure there will be another guy, there just needs be a guy who has the tools for the company to take advantage of. The problem with Reigns isn't that the company wants him to be the face, it's that he doesn't have an ounce of the charisma of a guy like Cena, at least not in the character he's playing. Those guys weren't successful because WWE decided they would be successful and damn everything else, they were successful because they had the overwhelming charisma and WWE was willing to take advantage of it in a way that suited the wrestlers. WWE gave us The Ringmaster, the Prototype and The Blue Chipper Rocky Mavia. The wrestlers gave us Stone Cold, Doctor of Thuganomics and The Rock. WWE provided the backdrop and actually had stories that worked with them, and it worked. WWE will never have a guy if they keep trying to force it, and telling the fans "like it or leave" is only going drive more fans away. You can see it in how crowd reaction to Cena changed over the years as proof positive of forcing a wrestler, as he went from the near unanimous crowd support to what he is now. WWE did his legacy a huge disservice. And for how "played out" the evil authority angle is supposed to be, the crowd still loved it twice in the past in the past 5 years, both with Punk and Bryan. But again, those were with people who had a good, solid story behind it. Of course it's going to suck if you try to cast Big Show as the face of it.
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Post by CeilingFan on Feb 1, 2015 10:16:08 GMT -5
In the voting, Layla is on top of Roman Reigns!
uhh, that didn't come out right.........
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Post by Reflecto on Feb 1, 2015 10:25:05 GMT -5
The fans aren't conditioned to do anything other than cheer the people they like, which is only a problem when you have a company that is so strongly devoted to going against the wishes of their own consumers. And sure there will be another guy, there just needs be a guy who has the tools for the company to take advantage of. The problem with Reigns isn't that the company wants him to be the face, it's that he doesn't have an ounce of the charisma of a guy like Cena, at least not in the character he's playing. Those guys weren't successful because WWE decided they would be successful and damn everything else, they were successful because they had the overwhelming charisma and WWE was willing to take advantage of it in a way that suited the wrestlers. WWE gave us The Ringmaster, the Prototype and The Blue Chipper Rocky Mavia. The wrestlers gave us Stone Cold, Doctor of Thuganomics and The Rock. WWE provided the backdrop and actually had stories that worked with them, and it worked. WWE will never have a guy if they keep trying to force it, and telling the fans "like it or leave" is only going drive more fans away. You can see it in how crowd reaction to Cena changed over the years as proof positive of forcing a wrestler, as he went from the near unanimous crowd support to what he is now. WWE did his legacy a huge disservice. And for how "played out" the evil authority angle is supposed to be, the crowd still loved it twice in the past in the past 5 years, both with Punk and Bryan. But again, those were with people who had a good, solid story behind it. Of course it's going to suck if you try to cast Big Show as the face of it. Even those "played out" authority angles working with Punk and Bryan- and why suddenly, it wasn't working for so many others (including Cena, who was accepted as having overwhelming charisma, only for it to taper off) had the same issue. Quite frankly- and there's no other way to say it: There is a loud minority- if not, from the Reigns hate, MAJority- of the IWC who have already made their decision that they'll never accept anyone as THE MAN who didn't work for Ring of Honor, and if WWE tries pushing anyone who didn't work for them, they'll turn on them viciously until WWE gives us someone who did. Reigns isn't ready yet- but the bigger issue is that Reigns was really the LAST CHANCE WWE had of making a homegrown star and giving them the street cred necessary to be a star to that large amount of people: Debut him in a well-booked stable, alongside indy standouts like Jon Moxley (NOT! Dean Ambrose) and Tyler Black (NOT! Seth Rollins), make him the powerhouse of the three so he would look like the strong option (as opposed to Ambrose being the talker and Rollins being the seller of the three), keep that group booked strongly- then when it ends, break him off to be something of his own after he's had a string of great matches to boot. Even all of this didn't work in the end. A lot of times, yes- the WWE does book against what a large portion of the fans want- but that also has to be recognized that a large portion of the fanbase that's complaining have basically decided "ROH standouts or bust". It's a mindset that has already killed TNA since the fans in TNA will ask for new talent, and then when they get new talent, decide that they already suck before seeing them and make it clear when they said "New Talent", they meant "Raid Ring of Honor and SHIMMER for their talent and push them!"- and it looks like the fanbase in WWE are going to react the same way.
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Post by Red Impact on Feb 1, 2015 11:28:00 GMT -5
Even those "played out" authority angles working with Punk and Bryan- and why suddenly, it wasn't working for so many others (including Cena, who was accepted as having overwhelming charisma, only for it to taper off) had the same issue. Quite frankly- and there's no other way to say it: There is a loud minority- if not, from the Reigns hate, MAJority- of the IWC who have already made their decision that they'll never accept anyone as THE MAN who didn't work for Ring of Honor, and if WWE tries pushing anyone who didn't work for them, they'll turn on them viciously until WWE gives us someone who did. Reigns isn't ready yet- but the bigger issue is that Reigns was really the LAST CHANCE WWE had of making a homegrown star and giving them the street cred necessary to be a star to that large amount of people: Debut him in a well-booked stable, alongside indy standouts like Jon Moxley (NOT! Dean Ambrose) and Tyler Black (NOT! Seth Rollins), make him the powerhouse of the three so he would look like the strong option (as opposed to Ambrose being the talker and Rollins being the seller of the three), keep that group booked strongly- then when it ends, break him off to be something of his own after he's had a string of great matches to boot. Even all of this didn't work in the end. A lot of times, yes- the WWE does book against what a large portion of the fans want- but that also has to be recognized that a large portion of the fanbase that's complaining have basically decided "ROH standouts or bust". It's a mindset that has already killed TNA since the fans in TNA will ask for new talent, and then when they get new talent, decide that they already suck before seeing them and make it clear when they said "New Talent", they meant "Raid Ring of Honor and SHIMMER for their talent and push them!"- and it looks like the fanbase in WWE are going to react the same way. Which is why everyone online and in arenas hate Dolph Ziggler right now, right? The "ROH or bust" narrative may be what WWE wants to believe, but only because they're too lazy to do anything differently. It's just those damn smarks hijacking the show, not letting them push people who really do deserve it guys. Those guys who hate anyone who doesn't have the workratez and didn't spend ten years wrestling in high school auditoriums. But here's the problem, it ain't true. The same exact crowd that shit over Reigns like Ziggler, they like Sandow, they got cheers out of Barrett and, hell, they exploded for The Rock before they realized that he was just there to try to transfer cheers via osmosis to Reigns. None of these guys have stepped foot in an ROH ring in their entire careers, but the same crowds that ridiculed Reigns actually like them. Why? They have personality the crowd can get behind and they've been around a little while. They've seen their careers grow organically and, thus, they've had the opportunity to grow on the crowds. The kicker is... that works. Bryan and Punk are no different at all, most of WWE's audience didn't watch these two in ROH, but they were getting cheers across the country, from the smarkiest markets to the most casual. Why? Because they're talented, they're charismatic, and they've had a real chance to grow in the company. The WWE didn't do that with Reigns, and lo and behold, people don't like him being hotshotted over the guys who have been working longer and harder to earn those responses. They'll buy the killing monster as a heel (Hello Brock), but as a face, it falls flat. And it doesn't help that Reigns doesn't have an ounce of the charisma that other people have. And it's not going to be their last chance to push a homegrown talent either, I don't even know where that comes from. In 5 years, there probably will be a guy who comes along who wasn't in ROH but will be good enough to get that spot, and the crowd, the majority of which has never watched ROH in their lives, will buy into him if the WWE actually creates a story compelling enough to do allow it to happen. As far as Cena and anti-authority gimmicks go, no shit it doesn't work for so many others. Star Wars wouldn't work if Darth Vader was in Luke's spot. Frodo couldn't swap spots with Legolas and compelling. It's basic storytelling, your protagonist has to match the story he's in, otherwise the story fails. The anti-authority gimmick doesn't work for Cena because CENA'S BEEN THE COMPANY GUY FOR A DECADE. That's the flaw with WWE's storytelling, and it's exactly why the Punk/Cena feud worked so well because for the first time, WWE had to acknowledge Cena's real role in the company. He's not the underdog, he's not the guy fighting for the chance to prove himself, he's not the guy who has reason to complain about something, he's not the scrappy newcomer, he's the golden goose that the company has been putting everythign behind. Cena can't play anti-authority anymore, so he can't be thrown into an anti-authority angle without a hell of a lot more character change than WWE gave him. That's why they made the brilliant decision to have Dolph win at Survivor Series, because Dolph doesn't have that stigma. Cena as anti-authority is shitty storytelling. WWE's been pushing the guy for way too long to have it work.
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Post by CeilingFan on Feb 2, 2015 6:39:49 GMT -5
Daniel Bryan is the winner! YES! YES! YES!
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Post by TheSchattenjager on Feb 2, 2015 6:56:26 GMT -5
Logic and business says Roman. Like Cena, he's got a great look and if he can improve his mic skills or get a manager, he can get away with 5 moves of doom and be perfectly suited for commercials, backpacks, folders, and toys. Personally... Bryan. So I pick Layla. Layla should be the ass of the company.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2015 6:59:25 GMT -5
In the voting, Layla is on top of Roman Reigns!
uhh, that didn't come out right.........
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2015 10:33:58 GMT -5
"Wildfire" Tommy Rich. Clearly.
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Post by sunnytaker on Feb 2, 2015 10:47:05 GMT -5
Vacant- the face of the faceless
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