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Post by Welfare Willis on Jan 31, 2015 16:44:00 GMT -5
After all the jokes, it turns out Bruce Jenner is becoming a woman. linkCongrats to Bruce for doing what's making him happy. Lord knows after marrying a Kardashian I might want to chop my d*** off too.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jan 31, 2015 17:39:08 GMT -5
Yeah, a lot of the jokes being made by TMZ and other outlets are really cringeworthy. I know that's preferable to being killed for being transgendered, but they prove we've got a way to go as far as acceptance for it.
Good for her, I say. You go girl.
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Post by lodirulz on Jan 31, 2015 17:43:52 GMT -5
Say what you will about The Kardashian Family, it's awesome of them to be accepting of this, and it's awesome that Bruce is going to make the transition so he can be who he wants to be.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 31, 2015 17:43:52 GMT -5
If true, I wish the best for them and their family, but I've heard rumors for a while now, so until it's mentioned by someone with an actual name or the family, I will continue to regard the rumor with suspicion.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 31, 2015 17:45:51 GMT -5
Say what you will about The Kardashian Family, it's awesome of them to be accepting of this, and it's awesome that Bruce is going to make the transition so he can be who wants to be. Kim earned a lot or respect from me due to her kind words for Leela Alcorn's passing, being respectful, so I suppose we already know where she'd stand on all this.
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Post by lodirulz on Jan 31, 2015 17:51:48 GMT -5
Say what you will about The Kardashian Family, it's awesome of them to be accepting of this, and it's awesome that Bruce is going to make the transition so he can be who wants to be. Kim earned a lot or respect from me due to her kind words for Leela Alcorn's passing, being respectful, so I suppose we already know where she'd stand on all this. Yeah, I also gained some respect for her after her comments on that whole situation. Reality Show obviously aside, she seems like a cool person.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jan 31, 2015 18:09:44 GMT -5
After all the jokes, it turns out Bruce Jenner is becoming a woman. linkCongrats to Bruce for doing what's making him happy. Lord knows after marrying a Kardashian I might want to chop my d*** off too. There was nothing in the article that actually said that Jenner was planning on having the surgery any time soon, or ever. I get that not everyone understands transgendered individuals, but it is my hope that people will in the future thanks to people like Jenner, Laverne Cox, and Chaz Bono. I can say that at least I have gotten to see in my lifetime a difference where the tragedy of Brandon Teena is not as common as it once was and the outrage directed at Leelah Alcorn's parents, particularly her mother, is more common.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2015 18:13:50 GMT -5
Don't get it. Don't like it.
However, dude was an Olympic champion, so if he wants to be a gal, I want him to be the hottest, prisiest, dainty petticoat tee-hee woman the World has ever seen.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 31, 2015 18:19:45 GMT -5
Don't get it. Don't like it. However, dude was an Olympic champion, so if he wants to be a gal, I want him to be the hottest, prisiest, dainty petticoat tee-hee woman the World has ever seen. And if he wasn't an Olympic champion?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2015 18:30:10 GMT -5
Don't get it. Don't like it. However, dude was an Olympic champion, so if he wants to be a gal, I want him to be the hottest, prisiest, dainty petticoat tee-hee woman the World has ever seen. And if he wasn't an Olympic champion? Then I still wouldn't get it. I'm hardly the moral compass though. I try to be a good dude, but f*** if a man that thinks he's a woman ain't weird to me and I don't think that I'm wrong for feeling that way.
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Post by Brood Lone Wolf Funker on Jan 31, 2015 18:51:47 GMT -5
If Laura Jane Grace taught me anything it's that it is a very lengthy procedure that takes months sometimes years
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 31, 2015 18:53:30 GMT -5
And if he wasn't an Olympic champion? Then I still wouldn't get it. I'm hardly the moral compass though. I try to be a good dude, but f*** if a man that thinks he's a woman ain't weird to me and I don't think that I'm wrong for feeling that way. It doesn't make you bad, but rather woefully ignorant of issues relating to body image and gender identity that other people face.
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Post by kidglov3s on Jan 31, 2015 19:00:16 GMT -5
I get that not everyone understands transgendered individuals, but it is my hope that people will in the future thanks to people like Jenner, Laverne Cox, and Chaz Bono. To be fair, since Christine Jorgensen there's more-or-less been a consistent stream of famous trans people (usually white trans women older than 30). I think what would most help representation would be an end to/criticism of transface casting, and trans actors being cast in trans roles in movies/tv. I'd argue we've backslid in a lot of ways from the 70s here when most of the time they'd cast women as trans women, nowadays it's almost always a cis man playing a trans woman or a cis woman playing a trans man and that's some goddamn bullshit. It's f***ed up that Sleepaway Camp 2 is one of the more progressive representations, in this manner.
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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on Jan 31, 2015 19:08:37 GMT -5
Well, if it makes him happy then good for him.
I have to say though, I agree with an earlier poster that it's weird. The same way people who bleach their skin is weird, or get surgery to look like celebrities or are "cleansed" from being gay.
It's trying to change yourself into something you're not. But if this makes those people genuinely happy, then more power to them.
Apologies if anyone is offended by my comments.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2015 19:10:23 GMT -5
Then I still wouldn't get it. I'm hardly the moral compass though. I try to be a good dude, but f*** if a man that thinks he's a woman ain't weird to me and I don't think that I'm wrong for feeling that way. It doesn't make you bad, but rather woefully ignorant of issues relating to body image and gender identity that other people face. Holy condescension, Batman. Jesus. If I'm so "woefully ignorant" then why don't you attempt to illuminate me instead of just snarking at me like I'm some peon that could never even hope to be as enlightened as you, huh?
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 31, 2015 19:14:32 GMT -5
Well, if it makes him happy then good for him. I have to say though, I agree with an earlier poster that it's weird. The same way people who bleach their skin is weird, or get surgery to look like celebrities or are "cleansed" from being gay. It's trying to change yourself into something you're not. But if this makes those people genuinely happy, then more power to them. Apologies if anyone is offended by my comments. The point of reassignment is the idea that you're changing, outwardly, into what you felt you were all along. To them, it's no more changing who you are than getting a prosthetic arm would be to someone born without a functioning hand.
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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on Jan 31, 2015 19:22:35 GMT -5
Well, if it makes him happy then good for him. I have to say though, I agree with an earlier poster that it's weird. The same way people who bleach their skin is weird, or get surgery to look like celebrities or are "cleansed" from being gay. It's trying to change yourself into something you're not. But if this makes those people genuinely happy, then more power to them. Apologies if anyone is offended by my comments. The point of reassignment is the idea that you're changing, outwardly, into what you felt you were all along. To them, it's no more changing who you are than getting a prosthetic arm would be to someone born without a functioning hand. But it's physically impossible to become an actual woman. A vagina is the only female part you can recreate. If they could be exactly the same as a born woman, it'd be a lot more understandable to me,
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Post by kidglov3s on Jan 31, 2015 19:23:38 GMT -5
The point of reassignment is the idea that you're changing, outwardly, into what you felt you were all along. To them, it's no more changing who you are than getting a prosthetic arm would be to someone born without a functioning hand. But it's physically impossible to become an actual woman. A vagina is the only female part you can recreate. If they could be exactly the same as a born woman, it'd be a lot more understandable to me, I don't think you get it. Overjoyed to have the first uncomfortable trans issues FAN thread of 2015, thanks OP!
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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on Jan 31, 2015 19:25:24 GMT -5
But it's physically impossible to become an actual woman. A vagina is the only female part you can recreate. If they could be exactly the same as a born woman, it'd be a lot more understandable to me, I don't think you get it. Overjoyed to have the first uncomfortable trans issues FAN thread of 2015, thanks OP! So basically "I don't get it" because I don't have the exact same thinking as you. Gotcha.
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Post by kidglov3s on Jan 31, 2015 19:26:17 GMT -5
I don't think you get it. Overjoyed to have the first uncomfortable trans issues FAN thread of 2015, thanks OP! So basically "I don't get it" because I don't have the exact same thinking as you. Gotcha. Actually, no. You don't get it because you don't get it. You can have whatever thinking you want.
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