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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on Jan 31, 2015 19:27:15 GMT -5
So basically "I don't get it" because I don't have the exact same thinking as you. Gotcha. Actually, no. You don't get it because you don't get it. You can have whatever thinking you want. Instead of repeating yourself, why don't you explain your point like a mature adult?
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Post by Stu on Jan 31, 2015 19:29:52 GMT -5
Guys, stop it. Now!
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Post by lodirulz on Jan 31, 2015 19:37:50 GMT -5
I'll throw my two cents in once and only once: I mean, I understand that the whole transgender thing is strange to some people. But it shouldn't be considered weird at all today, and at the very least, we should work so that in the future, it isn't considered weird at all. If somebody doesn't feel right with what gender they are, they have the right to make a transition to a different one, and it is polite and respectful and the right thing to do to refer to said person as the gender they want to be, and not the gender that they were. And if you don't like that, then that's very, very unfortunate.
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Jan 31, 2015 19:54:36 GMT -5
If that's what he wants, who are we to stop him? Doesn't effect me in any way, so more power to him, if it makes him happy then he should do it.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jan 31, 2015 19:57:17 GMT -5
The point of reassignment is the idea that you're changing, outwardly, into what you felt you were all along. To them, it's no more changing who you are than getting a prosthetic arm would be to someone born without a functioning hand. Exactly. If the rumors are true, then technically Jenner was always a woman, hence why she would be addressed as "she" both in the present and past tenses.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jan 31, 2015 20:01:53 GMT -5
Actually, no. You don't get it because you don't get it. You can have whatever thinking you want. Instead of repeating yourself, why don't you explain your point like a mature adult? We are a board home to many trans individuals (sorry if that is the wrong term, not good with that stuff) and to come in and act as you have is a slap in the face to their struggles. People have tried to explain this many times just on here in the last year, if they no longer feel the need to explain themselves that is their choice. The fact of the matter is you have no clue and when people try and explain you ignore it so you get ignored. So with all due respect, if you cannot respect someone and their reasoning for a choice like this when it is explained, don't try and argue with them and tell them they are wrong or some crap like that.
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Post by FinalGwen on Jan 31, 2015 20:04:27 GMT -5
Because it probably needs stating at some point before it gets locked, and this isn't complex, this is like the first thing you'll ever learn about gender if you take a sociology class or do the slightest bit of research:
Gender is a social construct, not a biological one, and is not a binary concept either. There exist a vast number of gender identities, and what genitals you're born with (or assigned in the case of intersex individuals, often in incredibly problematic ways) aren't the things that decide this.
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Post by Juice on Jan 31, 2015 20:17:02 GMT -5
I wonder what his name will change too? I support it fully unless he's becoming a Kardashian. Then he must be stopped.
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Post by Cyno on Jan 31, 2015 20:20:06 GMT -5
If this is true, I wonder if this is something Jenner has struggled with his entire life or if it's just only something he realized with the divorce. I'm really ignorant about the process of when someone realizes that the gender they were assigned at birth isn't the one they identify as, not to mention the feeling of gender dysphoria.
(out of respect, I will address Jenner by his current known gender identity as a cis male until this is confirmed beyond rumors. Misgendering someone, trans or cis or otherwise, is a crappy thing to do. If Jenner confirms that he is transitioning, then I will use the appropriately female or gender-neutral pronouns, whatever the preference.)
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Jan 31, 2015 20:20:34 GMT -5
I wonder what his name will change too? I support it fully unless he's becoming a Kardashian. Then he must be stopped. "Say hello to Kaitlyn Kardashian!"
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Post by Welfare Willis on Jan 31, 2015 20:21:25 GMT -5
But it's physically impossible to become an actual woman. A vagina is the only female part you can recreate. If they could be exactly the same as a born woman, it'd be a lot more understandable to me, I don't think you get it. Overjoyed to have the first uncomfortable trans issues FAN thread of 2015, thanks OP! Yeah sorry Kid, my bad. I just thought it was interesting considering all the jokes about Bruce getting so much plastic surgery he was beginning to look like a woman... here we are. Kinda surprising he went in this direction later in life, but isn't that the premise of the show, Transparent?
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Jan 31, 2015 20:29:37 GMT -5
I don't think you get it. Overjoyed to have the first uncomfortable trans issues FAN thread of 2015, thanks OP! Yeah sorry Kid, my bad. I just thought it was interesting considering all the jokes about Bruce getting so much plastic surgery he was beginning to look like a woman... here we are. Kinda surprising he went in this direction later in life, but isn't that the premise of the show, Transparent? It's his history of plastic surgery that makes me think this might not be a new thing for him. He might have been struggling with this for a while now.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2015 20:43:34 GMT -5
I wonder what his name will change too? I support it fully unless he's becoming a Kardashian. Then he must be stopped. I thought I read somewhere it was going to be "Brianna Jenner/West/Kardashian, etc..."
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 31, 2015 21:20:30 GMT -5
It doesn't make you bad, but rather woefully ignorant of issues relating to body image and gender identity that other people face. Holy condescension, Batman. Jesus. If I'm so "woefully ignorant" then why don't you attempt to illuminate me instead of just snarking at me like I'm some peon that could never even hope to be as enlightened as you, huh? I could certainly try. Some people find themselves in bodies that do not mesh with their self perception. A person could physically be male, but their gender identity (what they regard themselves as) could be female. That's where gender reassignment comes in. To bring them as close to their preferred sex as physically possible.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2015 21:40:26 GMT -5
I don't get it but i don't care either it's a person's body if they want to change it more power to them.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jan 31, 2015 22:06:04 GMT -5
The point of reassignment is the idea that you're changing, outwardly, into what you felt you were all along. To them, it's no more changing who you are than getting a prosthetic arm would be to someone born without a functioning hand. But it's physically impossible to become an actual woman. A vagina is the only female part you can recreate. If they could be exactly the same as a born woman, it'd be a lot more understandable to me, It is not as simple as that. Would you tell a woman who had to have a hysterectomy and oophorectomy that she is not an actual woman anymore since the only lady parts she still has is a vagina? I seriously doubt that you would. You would think of her as a woman because you would have thought of her as a woman before her surgery and she would thought of herself in the same way. Well, in this case Jenner has always thought of herself as a woman. Sure, she has spent a very long time trying to function as a man (having children with 3 different women and all), but deep down inside she has known all along that she was denying who she really was. I get why you do not understand. To most people, there is no difference between gender identity and sex. To a transgendered person, however, there is. Sex is what they were born with while gender is what you think of yourself as. Again, for most people there is no difference and they do not have to feel conflicted trying to resolve any gender identity issues. Please understand, this is not a conscious decision, nor is a recent one. Jenner, like virtually all transgendered individuals, has thought as herself as a woman all along but has tried to suppress those feelings.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 0:52:29 GMT -5
Threads like this highlight why sex and gender need to be identified separately and need to have different pronouns. Treating them as the same is incorrect, since they reflect entirely different things. Using "he" and "she" for both is confusing beyond measure. There needs to be a standardized, accepted way to do it.
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Post by Reflecto on Feb 1, 2015 1:53:57 GMT -5
This is great for Jenner, if this is what Jenner believes to be the natural person inside, then it's great that Jenner gets to do this.
Instead, some old fashioned sexism: So wait, you're telling me there's now conclusive evidence that a woman was, at one point, the world's greatest athlete?
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Post by Urethra Franklin on Feb 1, 2015 2:14:44 GMT -5
It's funny, my girlfriend and I were just talking about him today.
She watches all that Kardashian crap religiously and I can't stand it, but I said to her how awful it was the way the press had been covering Bruce lately.
This is what makes him happy. He's getting the chance to be who he really is. Too many people never get that chance. I think it's great and don't understand how anybody can begrudge somebody else for being true to themselves.
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Post by Cela on Feb 1, 2015 2:17:04 GMT -5
Who the f*** cares?
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