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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 18, 2015 23:49:29 GMT -5
With the rumblings of now Joe leaving TNA and a lot of their name talent in general leaving TNA over the last few years, the one big name they have left is Jeff. However, Jeff isn't really treated like the star he was a few years ago and is a far cry from what he was his last run in WWE. Does TNA need Jeff and if they don't will losing him hurt them more then losing Styles and Sting over the last few years.
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Post by Chip Chipperson on Feb 19, 2015 0:50:04 GMT -5
With Jeff Hardy he's one of two recognizable names TNA can throw on a poster or put on local news and have people say "Oh my god, I recognize him. Remember him? Lets go see him"
However since TNA's House Show business is non existent and they no longer do PPV's I'd probably just cut him loose to save more money.
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Post by Emmet Russell on Feb 19, 2015 0:53:55 GMT -5
Yeah, he's worth it.
Or he should be .. if TNA knew how to actually market their product. Out of all the things the company has "changed" since the reboot: commentary, logo, dark arenas, they really should have worked towards hiring a more effective advertising and merchandise team.
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Post by Hit Girl on Feb 19, 2015 0:59:41 GMT -5
Not in TNA no.
Nobody is worth anything there.
He needs to get back to WWE as soon as possible, work out a limited date schedule, and get into some money feuds with Bryan, Balor, Zayn, Rollins, Ambrose, Wyatt etc....
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Post by Timmy8271 on Feb 19, 2015 1:03:37 GMT -5
If a guy can't go into TNA's biggest market these days(UK), then he's not worth it.
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Post by Hit Girl on Feb 19, 2015 1:13:23 GMT -5
I've been working on trying to get Jeff into the UK, but unfortunately the prime minister is playing hardball.
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Post by jimmyjames on Feb 19, 2015 1:37:22 GMT -5
I don't know if TNA trust Jeff hardy to be the #1 guy and TNA champion, and his not being able to go outside the U.S. is a big problem, however, they do need him. His merchandise is their biggest seller, and you can always count on the crowd to go wild for him and they can always build something around him, whether it's an X-division run, tag team champion, or feud. In that way Jeff Hardy is something you'll probably never hear him called. Dependable.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Feb 19, 2015 3:23:00 GMT -5
Yeah, he's worth it. Or he should be .. if TNA knew how to actually market their product. Out of all the things the company has "changed" since the reboot: commentary, logo, dark arenas, they really should have worked towards hiring a more effective advertising and merchandise team. That's one of the changes everyone knew they should have made in 2006 when they started marketing shows outside of Orlando. And they need it more than ever considering they need to talk a lot of their existent fanbase into adding Destination America into their cable package, as well as the product itself. Also, it really seems TNA merch really went down the tubes when Don West left. They would never make anything like the Beer Money shirt these days. Now, you look at ShopTNA and it's all Affliction style garbage. This all compounds one of the big issues with Hardy is that nobody in the company knows how to market Jeff, including Jeff Hardy himself. I think they give Jeff all this free reign with his character, which would normally be a good thing, but Jeff is so eccentric that he ends looking like a clown with eyes painted on his eyelids, and coming up with shit like Willow. WWE would actually tell him when his ideas suck, and would meet him in the middle so we end up with a more sensible and marketable character.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Feb 19, 2015 3:46:05 GMT -5
TNA needs him a lot more than Jeff needs them. With Joe gone he, Angle, and Lashley are the only big names they have left.
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Post by Chip Chipperson on Feb 19, 2015 5:51:29 GMT -5
Just to make a second point I think Jeff Hardy is the biggest ball that TNA has ever dropped. In 2010 you have Jeff debut on your hottest Impact ever, he's fresh out of WWE, was their number 2 baby face and was doing absolutely phenomenally for the WWE. TNA manages to get a WWE main eventer in his prime and they don't make him their John Cena or even market him that well instead turning him heel and allowing him to become "just another guy".
Jeff Hardy should have been their John Cena and to this day he should have only lost clean once maybe twice. In classic TNA fashion he's lost to everyone ranging from EC3 to Magnus.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2015 7:02:37 GMT -5
Just to make a second point I think Jeff Hardy is the biggest ball that TNA has ever dropped. In 2010 you have Jeff debut on your hottest Impact ever, he's fresh out of WWE, was their number 2 baby face and was doing absolutely phenomenally for the WWE. TNA manages to get a WWE main eventer in his prime and they don't make him their John Cena or even market him that well instead turning him heel and allowing him to become "just another guy". Jeff Hardy should have been their John Cena and to this day he should have only lost clean once maybe twice. In classic TNA fashion he's lost to everyone ranging from EC3 to Magnus. I don't know if you can take a guy your fans saw for years as a star elsewhere, make them your top babyface and have it truly work. WCW tried that with Hogan and it didn't click until Hogan went heel and you had "WCW guys" like Sting and later on Goldberg positioned against him. Not to say TNA hasn't booked Hardy poorly but I don't think he, or any "WWE guy", could have been their John Cena. Not to mention his drug issues and generally poor mic skills.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Feb 19, 2015 7:31:42 GMT -5
Just to make a second point I think Jeff Hardy is the biggest ball that TNA has ever dropped. In 2010 you have Jeff debut on your hottest Impact ever, he's fresh out of WWE, was their number 2 baby face and was doing absolutely phenomenally for the WWE. TNA manages to get a WWE main eventer in his prime and they don't make him their John Cena or even market him that well instead turning him heel and allowing him to become "just another guy". Jeff Hardy should have been their John Cena and to this day he should have only lost clean once maybe twice. In classic TNA fashion he's lost to everyone ranging from EC3 to Magnus. I don't know if you can take a guy your fans saw for years as a star elsewhere, make them your top babyface and have it truly work. WCW tried that with Hogan and it didn't click until Hogan went heel and you had "WCW guys" like Sting and later on Goldberg positioned against him. Not to say TNA hasn't booked Hardy poorly but I don't think he, or any "WWE guy", could have been their John Cena. Not to mention his drug issues and generally poor mic skills. That's just it, Hogan did work on a business sense. If you compare the numbers on PPV buyrates from the last WCW PPV before Hogan and then the first WCW PPV with Hogan there was a huge increase. There TV ratings did the same thing and until Austin and the Rock took off, WCW got monster over using former WWE guys Hogan, Savage, Hall, Nash, and Piper as a major part of it. The thing about TNA is Marketing it is horrible. That why nobody can draw in the company and the reason why there house shows and ext never drew because NOBODY really had any idea that TNA was even in town. If a fan isn't even aware your there then how do you expect anybody to draw. Hell look at all the reports about these guys. Jeff Hardy recent cage fall was reporting by several sites as a WWE guy and that said they still call him WWE superstar when he hasn't been in the WWE since 2009 and yet nobody reporting sense to even know what TNA is and the fact a guy like AJ can hold the biggest title in NJPW and not effect there business says something. They need these big names to put over there home breed talent and keep the push consistent. If they done that and new how to promote there product. AJ and Joe would been there homemade 1 and 2 faces of the company. Those two should been TNA Cena and Orton or Rock and Austin had been for years for the WWE. The two names that fans new they where the bread and Butter of the company on a regular bases. While people like Sting, Hardy, and Angle should been the special attraction names. Compare to now days what Taker, Lesnar, and The Rock are. They should been that all along.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 19, 2015 7:54:27 GMT -5
Just to make a second point I think Jeff Hardy is the biggest ball that TNA has ever dropped. In 2010 you have Jeff debut on your hottest Impact ever, he's fresh out of WWE, was their number 2 baby face and was doing absolutely phenomenally for the WWE. TNA manages to get a WWE main eventer in his prime and they don't make him their John Cena or even market him that well instead turning him heel and allowing him to become "just another guy". Jeff Hardy should have been their John Cena and to this day he should have only lost clean once maybe twice. In classic TNA fashion he's lost to everyone ranging from EC3 to Magnus. I can agree with him being their biggest free agent ball dropped but that can still got to AJ as far as the guy did everything you can do in that company twice over and they still marketed him as the future and guy on his way up. So the next question would be would WWE take him considering some of his lingering legal issues or is Jeff damaged goods?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2015 8:19:31 GMT -5
Yeah, Jeff should have been their Cena from 2010-onwards. Obviously in hindsight the drug issues would have derailed him, but he came back from that and produced some really good matches.
Why TNA chose RVD instead never made sense to me.
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Post by thetower52 on Feb 19, 2015 10:06:40 GMT -5
Just to make a second point I think Jeff Hardy is the biggest ball that TNA has ever dropped. In 2010 you have Jeff debut on your hottest Impact ever, he's fresh out of WWE, was their number 2 baby face and was doing absolutely phenomenally for the WWE. TNA manages to get a WWE main eventer in his prime and they don't make him their John Cena or even market him that well instead turning him heel and allowing him to become "just another guy". Jeff Hardy should have been their John Cena and to this day he should have only lost clean once maybe twice. In classic TNA fashion he's lost to everyone ranging from EC3 to Magnus. I can agree with him being their biggest free agent ball dropped but that can still got to AJ as far as the guy did everything you can do in that company twice over and they still marketed him as the future and guy on his way up. So the next question would be would WWE take him considering some of his lingering legal issues or is Jeff damaged goods? Vince likes Money Jeff Hardy makes Vince money. Vince hire Jeff Hardy.
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Post by Wolfman Rose on Feb 19, 2015 10:37:44 GMT -5
I still can't believe TNA got *the* guy in pro wrestling in 2009 and managed to tear him down to umbrella waving fool for a while.
Logically, Jeff signing should have been a watershed moment for TNA. They should have been able to turn around and go "Hey fans, you want to see the amazing Jeff Hardy, well you can, only on Impact!". I mean TNA wanted to persist with pushing him despite the possible impending conviction, so why not maximise it? Just have a staffer make sure he's clean, send him out, let him do his thing, and the crowds keep coming.
But no. Apparently the smart thing to do was slowly chip away at his popularity, not make him a megastar when he walks in, and 9 months later turn the guy who had been the most over face in America heel. Jeff Hardy will forever be a monument to TNA's inability to do something right.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2015 11:41:03 GMT -5
As far as TNA is concerned, Jeff Hardy is their biggest commodity as far as merch sales go, but Jeff is also still a liability. The United Kingdom is the one place where they can get an audience and great reactions, yet they can't get Jeff to go there.
However, TNA hasn't done a whole lot with him as far as a proper push goes, because Jeff could have been their casual fan super babyface.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Feb 19, 2015 11:42:22 GMT -5
Don't care what anyone says, Jeff Hardy is still that dude.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 19, 2015 11:54:46 GMT -5
Don't care what anyone says, Jeff Hardy is still that dude. Agreed, despite all the bumps he's taken he can still go and get it done. This is more of a financial perspective, as previously pointed out my posters the UK is their big "get" for the year and he can't go. I do think Jeff is worth what you pay for him as far as TNA goes but he needs a solid direction.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2015 15:04:07 GMT -5
I don't know if you can take a guy your fans saw for years as a star elsewhere, make them your top babyface and have it truly work. WCW tried that with Hogan and it didn't click until Hogan went heel and you had "WCW guys" like Sting and later on Goldberg positioned against him. Not to say TNA hasn't booked Hardy poorly but I don't think he, or any "WWE guy", could have been their John Cena. Not to mention his drug issues and generally poor mic skills. That's just it, Hogan did work on a business sense. If you compare the numbers on PPV buyrates from the last WCW PPV before Hogan and then the first WCW PPV with Hogan there was a huge increase. There TV ratings did the same thing and until Austin and the Rock took off, WCW got monster over using former WWE guys Hogan, Savage, Hall, Nash, and Piper as a major part of it. WCW didn't get monster over until those ex-WWE guys were for the most part used as heels. That's my point. I'm not saying you can't use guys that are associated with another company and make money off them, I just don't think it will really work if they are used as the franchise babyface. Wrestling has pretty much always been built around the local/homegrown hero. Even if marketed perfectly, I don't think Jeff Hardy would have taken TNA to the next level as the face of the company.
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