How do you screw up Monty Brown?

[Emmet Russell]

The guy was so damn charismatic and seemed like he was ready to became the top of TNA, and then they cut him off by having him lose to Jarrett and head straight to the midcard and eventually to fail in WWE and disappear off the map.

Now, he wasn't that great as a wrestler, but I felt he could have been their Rock: charismatic as all hell, cool threads, personality that fans got behind and an awesome finisher - he was the total package and it's a very TNA thing to do for them to ruin it with him.

Also, I was watching 2005 TNA's - inspiration for this thread - and I noticed a few things,

- Male Tramp Stamps were everywhere.
- Cassidy Riley blew every spot he had and he sucked.
- Traci Brookes was always having relations with authority's for her position (Dusty, Bischoff)(Might just be an assumption, but what else did she do to justify her position?)
- Mike Tenay has the funniest (smuggest) faces in all of wrestling.
- Damn, Abyss could move. Looks like a completely different person. Don't do hardcore, kids.
- R-Truth doesn't age.
- Jeremy Borash does.
- I miss Chris Candido.
- TNA actually turned Nash into a Brunette.
- DDP said stumble bumble ... twice ... in one promo. Great man.
- I really miss Don West's enthusiasm. He wasn't the best announcer, but damn - he cared about the product and he made me care too!

[thelonewolf527]

Watch me do what I do, laying down a perfect groove

Oh you mean in TNA

[________ has left the building]

Monty got neutered in TNA because he was getting over big time with the crowd and was very close of taking Double J's crown away from him. Which Jeff wouldn't give up so Brown got booked with Lex Luger like turns and made secondary to Double J. I wouldn't call his WWE run a fail because by all accounts WWE management was behind him but he chose family over career. Totally a honorable move. But yeah, TNA dropped the ball with Monty.

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The. Single. Biggest. Failure. In. TNA. History.

This dude could have been HUGE. His charisma was absolutely mental in like, 2005. He had this Rock quality, and no I'm not saying he would have been the next rock, of even making the BAD material somehow work through sheer charisma. He had a great look, a unique character, and a finisher that he not only looked great but he could have kept doing for years at a time. Him not winning the NWA belt from Jarrett is one of the many turning point moments TNA screwed up. He should have been a huge deal. They literally could have built the company around him.

[Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story]

This guy is the poster child for TNA mismanagement -- he was a slam dunk. Good for him for choosing his family, though. If he was a little younger it'd be cool to see him make a comeback.

[HMARK Center]

I admit, at the time I didn't mind him not winning the belt; his ring work was just not there.

That said, sometimes you need to roll the dice, and going with Brown at that point might have made a lot of sense for a young company like TNA in 2004/5.

Oddly enough, though, I wound up enjoying heel Brown when he feuded with Christian over the title for awhile. Seemed like he was really getting his legs under him and getting more comfortable in the ring, but it was all just in time for him to leave for WWE, then leave the industry. Very unfortunate.

Looking back, Brown being the big dog in TNA by late '04 could've set the stage nicely for Samoa Joe's arrival in 2005, and a pretty easy instant feud.

[A Platypus Rave]

Because TNA mostly.

If I remember my timelines correctly he got popular in the middle of Jeff Jarett is the greatest and strongest wrestler of all times and will kick out of several finishers in a row and then win with a guitar shot era, specifically. Which really didn't do anything for anyone.

I do know that he turned heel and sided with Jarrett like right at the peak of his overness in TNA... because it's TNA and of course they did

[One-Armed Drummer of Defrebel]

Because he came in at a time when TNA thought that Jeff Jarrett pushed as a superman was something that lots of people actually got enjoyment from.

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TNA could have had 1984 Hulk Hogan, 1998 Steve Austin, and 1999 the Rock on the roster and they would have fed them all to Jeff Jarrett for some unknown reason. JJ is one of the more bullshit champions that there has ever been IMO.

[Andrew is Good]

TNA always finds a way.

[Captain Stud Muffin (BLM)]

Feb 20, 2015 14:38:54 GMT -5 @akeem said:

TNA could have had 1984 Hulk Hogan, 1998 Steve Austin, and 1999 the Rock on the roster and they would have fed them all to Jeff Jarrett for some unknown reason. JJ is one of the more bullshit champions that there has ever been IMO.

I think Jeff is delusional enough to believe without me at the top for so long we wouldn't of lasted. HHH reign of terror gets it's hellfire but Jeff reign was in the 4th circle

[One-Armed Drummer of Defrebel]

Feb 20, 2015 14:52:17 GMT -5 Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) said:

Feb 20, 2015 14:38:54 GMT -5 @akeem said:

TNA could have had 1984 Hulk Hogan, 1998 Steve Austin, and 1999 the Rock on the roster and they would have fed them all to Jeff Jarrett for some unknown reason. JJ is one of the more bullshit champions that there has ever been IMO.

I think Jeff is delusional enough to believe without me at the top for so long we wouldn't of lasted. HHH reign of terror gets it's hellfire but Jeff reign was in the 4th circle

Jarrett never won the NWA title anywhere else and he was a 6 time champion by the time TNA was in its fourth year.

Compared to Jarrett, the reign of terror was like Daniel Bryan holding the title for the rest of time.

[Seth Drakin of Monster Crap]

When TNA was considering Brown to go over, Monty Brown's deal was winding down and TNA was only going to give him the belt if he re-signed with them. That's apparently what was happening.

[MC Blowfish]

He was huge in TNA and they really dropped the ball with him. Jarrett killed anything he had.

His run in the WWE was good, despite not lasting very long. They loved him and the crowds loved him. He left due to family.

[Chip Chipperson]

With all due respect the people saying "Jarrett killed him" either haven't seen the match they had at Final Resolution 2005 or don't remember it correctly. Monty Brown kicked out of Jarrett's finisher twice, a guitar shot (Which has put down almost everyone Jarrett's wrestled ever), A chair shot to the face and only lost after Jarrett hit him with another guitar and hit three strokes (That's right, THREE) to put him down. Oh and just to point this out but Brown had wrestled a 13 minute match earlier in the night to earn the title shot where he beat both Diamond Dallas Page and Kevin Nash so Jarrett had to do all that to beat him when he wasn't even 100%.

How can you possibly protect a guy anymore than Jarrett did? I understand a lot of people feel Brown should have gone over but he wasn't ready at that point and only had been in TNA for 10 months. It's an incredible risk to put the belt on a guy who is basically a rookie when you have PPV units to sell and are trying to build a company.

[Slingshot Suplay]

Isn't Monty Brown the guy who can't get over the top rope?

[Main Eventer]

Say what you will about TNA, but they are masterful at getting people over then f*** it up in record time.

Brown

Tomko - Got insanely over when you refuses to side with Christian or Angle during their feud, dubs his team "Team Tomko." Joins Angle weeks later.

Kaz - Has a great ladder match for the World title against Christian, loses during the World X Cup, "quits" because TNA wants him to play Suicide.

D'Angelo Dinero - Was insanely over back in 2010, turns heel and either said he runs a dog fighting ring, or claimed Samoa Joe ran one. Don't remember which, but either way the crowd instantly stopped giving a shit about him.

Mr. Anderson - Starts his asshole gimmick which worked as a face, turns heel and joins Immortal, turns face like a week later. Then like 45 turns later he is where he is now.

James Storm - Remember when Storm was called the next Austin? Has an amazing feud with Robert Roode, loses a match against him and just says "I want to go home." and does just that.

There are probably way more but this is a great history lesson on how to get crowds to stop caring about people they like. WWE takes notes then maybe people will stop caring about that Daniel Bryan fellow.

[A Platypus Rave]

Feb 20, 2015 20:57:08 GMT -5 Main Eventer said:

D'Angelo Dinero - Was insanely over back in 2010, turns heel and either said he runs a dog fighting ring, or claimed Samoa Joe ran one. Don't remember which, but either way the crowd instantly stopped giving a shit about him.

Samoa Joe had Okada (then known as Okata because again TNA) video tape Pope inquiring about buying pitbulls and either heavily implied or flat out said they were for fighting.

[chrom]

Feb 20, 2015 21:23:09 GMT -5 A Platypus Rave said:

Feb 20, 2015 20:57:08 GMT -5 Main Eventer said:

D'Angelo Dinero - Was insanely over back in 2010, turns heel and either said he runs a dog fighting ring, or claimed Samoa Joe ran one. Don't remember which, but either way the crowd instantly stopped giving a shit about him.

Samoa Joe had Okada (then known as Okata because again TNA) video tape Pope inquiring about buying pitbulls and either heavily implied or flat out said they were for fighting.

And they had him wearing a cheap mask and acting as Joe's Chauffeur

I think you could say that Okada right now is a bigger star than Joe was.

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Feb 20, 2015 18:00:55 GMT -5 Chip Chipperson said:

With all due respect the people saying "Jarrett killed him" either haven't seen the match they had at Final Resolution 2005 or don't remember it correctly. Monty Brown kicked out of Jarrett's finisher twice, a guitar shot (Which has put down almost everyone Jarrett's wrestled ever), A chair shot to the face and only lost after Jarrett hit him with another guitar and hit three strokes (That's right, THREE) to put him down. Oh and just to point this out but Brown had wrestled a 13 minute match earlier in the night to earn the title shot where he beat both Diamond Dallas Page and Kevin Nash so Jarrett had to do all that to beat him when he wasn't even 100%.

How can you possibly protect a guy anymore than Jarrett did? I understand a lot of people feel Brown should have gone over but he wasn't ready at that point and only had been in TNA for 10 months. It's an incredible risk to put the belt on a guy who is basically a rookie when you have PPV units to sell and are trying to build a company.

Protected losses are such a crutch though. Over in WWE land, how many protected losses has Dolph Ziggler taken? Or "he's got him! but noooo interference!" But, when push comes to shove, when there is a clean/non-DQ finish, he's the one getting his shoulders pinned to the mat.

Protected losses don't really matter if the person being protected doesn't ultimately accomplish their goal.